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Re: Nitrogen in Tires [Re: Rayzor] #13371718 12/13/19 09:03 PM
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Even if you don't pay the dealership for the nitrogen in your tires, you are still getting it. They are not going to deflate your tires and then reinflate them with something else. Regardless of having the tire inflated with nitrogen, you are still going to have oxygen and moisture in the tire because the atmospheric pressure air that was in the tire when it was mounted was never removed. Nitrogen in tires is purely a profit grab from the dealer. It does not cost $50 per tire to fill a tire up with nitrogen gas. You can go to a AC supply shop and buy a tank full of nitrogen for less than $200.

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Originally Posted by D Miner
Regardless of having the tire inflated with nitrogen, you are still going to have oxygen and moisture in the tire because the atmospheric pressure air that was in the tire when it was mounted was never removed. Nitrogen in tires is purely a profit grab from the dealer. It does not cost $50 per tire to fill a tire up with nitrogen gas. You can go to a AC supply shop and buy a tank full of nitrogen for less than $200.


Incorrect. When they fill a tire with N2, they evacuate the tire with a vacuum pump to remove the air and (more importantly) the moisture before filling it with the N2.

Google is your friend - https://www.nitrofillus.com/benefits-nitrogen/nitrogen-vs-air/


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Re: Nitrogen in Tires [Re: Rayzor] #13372627 12/14/19 09:16 PM
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I have never felt the need to google anything regarding nitrogen in car tires, because common sense tells me that $200 to to do it is a rip off.

From what I read about, the tire is evacuated down to 3 psi (a vacuum will damage the tire according to tirerack), so by my math, it looks like about 1/5 of the "bad" air is still in the tire. Getting more oxygen and moisture out of the tire is certainly not a bad thing and probably will slow the rubber oxidation in the tire, but it doesn't seem like it makes any difference in car tires that get replaced every few years.

Tirerack.com, Consumer reports, and various other reliable sources have literally written articles that say nitrogen in tires is a waste of money, so I would not characterize people who don't want to spend $200 on nitrogen tire filling as ignorant.

I am not going to write any more on this subject. Like most other internet debates, this is nothing but a huge waste of precious pixels.

Re: Nitrogen in Tires [Re: D Miner] #13373148 12/15/19 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by D Miner
It does not cost $50 per tire to fill a tire up with nitrogen gas. You can go to a AC supply shop and buy a tank full of nitrogen for less than $200.


Wow, I buy a tank of nitrogen at my AC supply hose for around $18


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Re: Nitrogen in Tires [Re: Bob Landry] #13373191 12/15/19 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob Landry
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It does not cost $50 per tire to fill a tire up with nitrogen gas. You can go to a AC supply shop and buy a tank full of nitrogen for less than $200.


Wow, I buy a tank of nitrogen at my AC supply hose for around $18


Yeah, we keep a 300 cuft. in the shop as well, our local guy is between $17 and $18 on it. The only tires I put it in are on the A36, even then its not really necessary.

Re: Nitrogen in Tires [Re: Rayzor] #13375846 12/18/19 11:02 AM
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Pv = nRT. It is a law. As mentioned above, it is about the moisture in the gas being put into the tire.


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Just add 2 extra pounds of air toy your tires and your tpm light will not come on.


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Re: Nitrogen in Tires [Re: Rayzor] #13427283 02/05/20 01:04 AM
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78% of air is nitrogen. Oxygen at 21%. Argon is around 1%. Percentages change as moisture is added.


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Originally Posted by BlueNitro
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Regardless of having the tire inflated with nitrogen, you are still going to have oxygen and moisture in the tire because the atmospheric pressure air that was in the tire when it was mounted was never removed. Nitrogen in tires is purely a profit grab from the dealer. It does not cost $50 per tire to fill a tire up with nitrogen gas. You can go to a AC supply shop and buy a tank full of nitrogen for less than $200.


Incorrect. When they fill a tire with N2, they evacuate the tire with a vacuum pump to remove the air and (more importantly) the moisture before filling it with the N2.

Google is your friend - https://www.nitrofillus.com/benefits-nitrogen/nitrogen-vs-air/

I would not trust the flunkies at a dealership to do it correctly. When I was getting free oil changes they could not even get my air pressure correct. I had to chalk my tires just to make sure they rotated them. Dealerships only care about one thing and that is how they can pad their bottom line by selling over priced and unneeded services, like over priced air filters, to the uneducated.


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Re: Nitrogen in Tires [Re: Rayzor] #13466398 03/10/20 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Rayzor
With the recent cold weather, my TPI sensors have gone haywire. I am sure a lot of other car owners experience the same thing. On cold mornings, the low pressure alert comes on and says all of my tires are low. From what I understand, one of the reasons (if not the only one) they put nitrogen in new car tires is that this gas doesn't fluctuate in pressure like oxygen. So, I got on the phone and called several tire shops. Neither NTB, Pep Boys or Discount Tire has any. Where the heck do you get this stuff?

If you know someone who does AC work he will probably have a tank. Dealerships will rip you off like it is some special thing and I guess it is if you don't have access. A small cylinder of nitrogen runs about $11 unless it's medical grade.

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I've got it! I'll drive to Arizona, where there's almost no humidity and have my tires emptied and refilled. Snake oil.
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I've got it! I'll drive to Arizona, where there's almost no humidity and have my tires emptied and refilled. Snake oil.
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Some on here will disagree but it definitely snake oil at $200 from the dealership. There is no way you are going to come close to recouping that cost.


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Re: Nitrogen in Tires [Re: Bob Landry] #13468581 03/12/20 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob Landry
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It does not cost $50 per tire to fill a tire up with nitrogen gas. You can go to a AC supply shop and buy a tank full of nitrogen for less than $200.


Wow, I buy a tank of nitrogen at my AC supply hose for around $18


I sell it for $16.00 here but I've never tried to see how many it would take to fill 4 tires. hmmm


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Originally Posted by Rayzor
With the recent cold weather, my TPI sensors have gone haywire. I am sure a lot of other car owners experience the same thing. On cold mornings, the low pressure alert comes on and says all of my tires are low. From what I understand, one of the reasons (if not the only one) they put nitrogen in new car tires is that this gas doesn't fluctuate in pressure like oxygen. So, I got on the phone and called several tire shops. Neither NTB, Pep Boys or Discount Tire has any. Where the heck do you get this stuff?



My TPMS alerts only go off a couple times a year.

The first time when the first "real" cold front hits and again in the Spring (sometimes) when the temps start to climb. thumb


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