Not trying to bag on you (at all) just would like to know your affiliation with this venture, do you have a vested interest, common sponsors? I don't care for the format but I believe if others do that is fine. The thing that MLF does have going for it is RICH GUYS and they can last a long time without making money if they choose.

I understand you have info and feedback that many of us will never see/hear. I would love to see where these people are. They certainly must not be on Facebook and other social media, cause the overwhelming majority I come across have similar sentiments as I do. I also find it hard to believe they aren't getting significant pushback from fans especially after seeing this last change with the Heavy Hitters tournament.

Fans will get tired of watching. As viewership goes away, so will the sponsors. Only time will tell. If they continue with the every fish counts and are going strong in 5 years, I will be the first to say I was wrong.

The ONLY reason I would log in and watch BPT today is to see the likes of Andy Montgomery, Greg Hackney, and several of the other anglers I enjoy watching.

In my own research I find participants in forums like this one do not represent a majority of both consumers or viewers. They just don't and the glaring example of this is the Googan guys. I would dare say the majority of this board do not watch them. I do not watch them, it's not what I want to watch but I have sampled and can certainly see their approach. Those guys pull in at a minimum 10x per hour as many viewers to their product as the major names in our sport. At least that many more. I am not comparing the Googan views to MLF, just stating there is a market us that have been in this game a long time have trouble seeing.

I understand you have info and feedback that many of us will never see/hear. I would love to see where these people are. They certainly must not be on Facebook and other social media, cause the overwhelming majority I come across have similar sentiments as I do. I also find it hard to believe they aren't getting significant pushback from fans especially after seeing this last change with the Heavy Hitters tournament.

Fans will get tired of watching. As viewership goes away, so will the sponsors. Only time will tell. If they continue with the every fish counts and are going strong in 5 years, I will be the first to say I was wrong.

The ONLY reason I would log in and watch BPT today is to see the likes of Andy Montgomery, Greg Hackney, and several of the other anglers I enjoy watching.

This is the most difficult part of this and before you respond please understand that I’m not attempting to argue with you or talk you out of your position. What I can tell you that is fact, backed by data, is that there’s a large number of fans who enjoy the format. And when I say large I mean the majority, you’re simply not hearing from them on social and forum boards. They’re happy, so they watch, enjoy and move along. They don’t post or battle, as there would be no point. They’re just fishing fans and they simply watch and consume the content.

You have to be VERY careful when you’re on a fishing forum looking at feedback and assuming that it constitutes a majority. I can tell you without question it does NOT.

One additional thing to add. While Boyd Duckett is most definitely a key stakeholder and major part of MLF, he’s not the only decision maker. It’s a large team of people and again they’re all trying to be thoughtful about this and manage all the moving parts. While the dictator and bad guy spin might be fun for some to post and harp on it’s simply not reality based.

My two cents

I wish we could Pin this post and keep it around so we can come back 3-5 years and say we told you so... My prediction is BPT won't be existent in 3-5 years. They won't get another second of my time after the [censored] Jim pulled with Luke Dunkin.

Chris, the data is on their platforms across digital, social, in app, live and TV. Fans “vote” with their time, attention and eyeballs. You don’t need a poll to see how many people are on your platforms, how long they’re there, how many times they login, how many live minutes they consume and how much TV they watch.

All that data and analytics is easy work in a 2019/20 world. Audience insights, demographics and measurement is how you know. Not a poll on the TFF.

Again, I’m not arguing with anyone or trying to talk them out of their opinion. Just saying we should add quant into the discussion if we want it to be meaningful and by meaningful I mean accurate.

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In my own research I find participants in forums like this one do not represent a majority of both consumers or viewers. They just don't and the glaring example of this is the Googan guys. I would dare say the majority of this board do not watch them. I do not watch them, it's not what I want to watch but I have sampled and can certainly see their approach. Those guys pull in at a minimum 10x per hour as many viewers to their product as the major names in our sport. At least that many more. I am not comparing the Googan views to MLF, just stating there is a market us that have been in this game a long time have trouble seeing.

Yeah... but you can also skew numbers and cherry pick "data" in your favor to make something look like it's all roses, which is a very common practice in everything from public advertisement graphics, to proposals to sponsors, to the financial books within a company. Just a minor example would be the [censored] "BPT" vs "BASS" earnings graphic they put out at the beginning of the year.

This is the first year and they had a large influx and boost to viewings because it was new. (Even though everyone I know watched maybe the first 2 tournaments, and then never had a clue when the others were happening and didn't care.) I'm willing to bet that the growth will not continue in the next few years to come. (In its current format.) Smoke and mirrors only last so long.

Chris, the data is on their platforms across digital, social, in app, live and TV. Fans “vote” with their time, attention and eyeballs. You don’t need a poll to see how many people are on your platforms, how long they’re there, how many times they login, how many live minutes they consume and how much TV they watch.

All that data and analytics is easy work in a 2019/20 world. Audience insights, demographics and measurement is how you know. Not a poll on the TFF.

Again, I’m not arguing with anyone or trying to talk them out of their opinion. Just saying we should add quant into the discussion if we want it to be meaningful and by meaningful I mean accurate.

Yes Champ for 2020 it will.

I would argue that the guys on this forum DO make up a large majority. This is a FISHING FORUM. If we aren't buying the stuff then who is? The people who fish 3 times a year and buy their stuff from Wal Mart? The large majority of people on here seem to have their reservations about the BPT. I know Mark Jones keeps saying well the majority yadda yadda yadda, I mean, if you're going to say stuff like that then back it up. You keep throwing weight around like you are important so I would like to see some proof, because the proof that I see across ALL social media is that 2/3 of the people commenting and following fishing do not care about BPT. I also listened to one of the biggest names in Bass fishing talk about why he is leaving the BPT, how they treated him after, and about how he thinks BASS is bigger, stronger and better, and honestly I choose to listen to him over someone I have never even heard of. Also, BPT likes to throw around the fact that they have all these hours on TV. Neat. Who cares if people aren't interested. Most of the pro's that we used to hear of a bunch about have virtually disappeared. I don't see hear about Skeet Reese, Jason Christie, Aaron Martens and a bunch of guys like that because unless they make the final day on BPT, they get no air time. I have watched 3 episodes because I want to make sure of my reasonings for disliking something and the show is boring and the commentary is awful. I also think this is a fly by the seat of their pants trail that keeps changing every single tournament because it was poorly put together in the first place. My opinion. But then again, I am also a nobody.