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Re: John 15:6 question
[Re: JIM SR.]
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11/10/19 04:32 AM
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Joel McBride
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Jesus said no one gets to the father except thru me....so the way I understand it Jesus is saying the only way to heaven is thru him....my question What about the time before the birth of Jesus .How did people get to heaven ? Seems to me you need to ask Jesus this question..... As anyone can see in the old testament the best/without blemish animals were sacrificed. Blood was shed. These sacrifices all point forward to Jesus as the ultimate sacrifice. God is real and his word is indeed the living word. The book you qoute is actually one of my favorites. Here is my favorite verse although the whole book needs to be read. John 14 verse 21. He that hath my commandments and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me:and he who loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Wanna know if Jesus or God is real? It's written and I am a witness of his love and forgiveness. Now that's powerful. He is inside of me!!! I am so far from perfect and have plenty of issues but I know for a fact I will go to heaven when I die.
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Re: John 15:6 question
[Re: Keystone]
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11/10/19 04:54 AM
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Mike@972
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Jesus said no one gets to the father except thru me....so the way I understand it Jesus is saying the only way to heaven is thru him....my question What about the time before the birth of Jesus .How did people get to heaven ? The OP's question is based upon scripture and he/she is seeking an answer from scripture. With this being the chase... on the basis of scripture, the question is flawed. This is not to say that it's a bad question, only that the question implies something that is not true. The question implies that Jesus came into existence when He was born as a man. However, scripture tells us that Jesus is "God in flesh" and that Jesus has always existed as part of the Trinity. The first reference to Jesus is in Genesis 1 when God refers to "us" before man was even created. Genisis1:26 "Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."All mainstream theologians agree that "us" refers to the Godhead. The Godhead is another word for Trinity, which includes the Father, Son [Jesus] and Holy Spirit. This is based upon several Old and New Testament passages that speak about the Godhead (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) as one God and that the Godhead has always been. There are many Old and New Testament passages that back this up... too many to reference in this post. The most direct passage that addresses the OP's question is John 1 John 1:1-5: "1 In the beginning was the Word [Jesus], and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it." If you read the entire chapter of John 1 you will see that "the Word" is Jesus. This means that Jesus was "in the beginning" So, to answer the OP's question... according to scripture, Jesus was in existence before man was created. Therefore, Jesus was able to work in people's life before His birth, as He lived on earth and after He was raised from the dead. This promise extends to us today... and to all generations that follow.
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Re: John 15:6 question
[Re: Keystone]
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11/10/19 05:11 AM
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Alumacraft 14
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Matthew 24:36 contradicts your preterist theory. I read your rebuttal that this was written a few decades after Christ acension and argueing that is semantics, what matters is when Jesus said it not when it was written (unless you are stating it was written by a false prophet/anti christ, you were quite vague). Jesus spoke the words before he was even crucified as he referenced the destruction of the temple(which was still standing).
Furthermore, verse 3 same Chapter begins with his disciples asking Christ when will He return and what will be the signs. He explains some of the signs refering the book of Daniel and then answers the question of when he will return with verse 36 very clearly.
So within the context of the Matt chapter 24: Christ hasn't been crucified yet, he isn't resurrected and he hasn't ascended yet, the 2nd coming hasn't happened because he is explaining it to the disciples and they are all alive. He is is being asked about when is his second coming will be and he clearly answer, I don't know, no one does, only God.
Back to Matthew 16:28, with Jesus not knowing the day or time there is no way his is speaking about his 2nd coming. Hence Transfiguration. Same applies to Matthew 16:27, and to answer your question, this is how I know he is talking about a different time then the life of the disciples.
Hope you had a good day fishing.
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Re: John 15:6 question
[Re: Keystone]
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11/10/19 06:28 AM
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GODSDOZER
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alumacraft, I guess you don't pay attention to my responses, that's ok.
John wrote it was the "last hour"……………………….it seems he knew.
you have to read the scriptures...………………..Jesus told his disciples that he would send the Holy Spirit to them to guide them into ALL TRUTH.
Yes at the time Jesus made the comment to his disciples, No One knew...….Only the Father. That is why it is important to understand when the letters (books of the bible) were written. CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT.
You and I are reading someone elses' mail.
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Re: John 15:6 question
[Re: Keystone]
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11/10/19 01:08 PM
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Bigbob_FTW
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So to be clear, the "tribulation" is now. It started the day Jesus died.
FJB
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Re: John 15:6 question
[Re: Keystone]
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11/10/19 04:48 PM
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fishslime
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The fourth day and no end in sight.
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Re: John 15:6 question
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11/10/19 06:13 PM
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Bigbob_FTW
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FJB
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Re: John 15:6 question
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11/10/19 06:31 PM
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donothin
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Why would a god care whether or not you are a believer? Sounds a little self centered to me,
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Re: John 15:6 question
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11/10/19 06:45 PM
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JIM SR.
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The fourth day and no end in sight. 5000 years and no end in sight....
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Re: John 15:6 question
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11/10/19 08:06 PM
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Bigbob_FTW
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For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
FJB
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Re: John 15:6 question
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11/10/19 08:09 PM
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fishslime
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I've had it with this stuff. Starting my own church - "Church of the Latter Day Sinners". Meets on Sat. nights at Jose Gardcia's Lumber Yard in South Oak Cliff. Pastor is a pole dancer in rehab who provides entertainment after the service. Testimonials and fellowship given around BBQ and beer in the parking lot . Collection plate passed for expenses only.
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