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Re: Kali's Law [Re: Rayzor] #13309902 10/13/19 11:40 AM
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I hate having the lanyard flop around on my wrist.

I have a plastic clip dog collar. I clip it around my leg in the spot under my knee and above my calf. Completely out of the way and doesnt snag on everything when maneuvering like it does when on my wrist.

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I've been clipping it to my shorts when I'm on the pontoon. Still not sure the law makes sense. How many people are killed each year when their lives could have been saved by a kill switch? I get the pain the family went through, but I don't think changing the law was necessary.


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Re: Kali's Law [Re: Rayzor] #13310020 10/13/19 02:49 PM
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If you read the way she was killed a kill switch would not have saved her.. I understand the pain but wearing a life jacket would make more sense.... BUI kills more people than not having a kill switch attached...

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Originally Posted by coachallentca
If you read the way she was killed a kill switch would not have saved her.. I understand the pain but wearing a life jacket would make more sense.... BUI kills more people than not having a kill switch attached...


And that is against the law also.

A kill switch would have saved her life, just ask the boat operator that was thrown away from the controls of the boat.

Bottom line....it is the law, LIVE with it.


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Re: Kali's Law [Re: BillS2006] #13310037 10/13/19 03:12 PM
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If you read the way she was killed a kill switch would not have saved her.. I understand the pain but wearing a life jacket would make more sense.... BUI kills more people than not having a kill switch attached...


And that is against the law also.

A kill switch would have saved her life, just ask the boat operator that was thrown away from the controls of the boat.

Bottom line....it is the law, LIVE with it.



Can you post a link where it says the operator was thrown from the controls. Thanks

Re: Kali's Law [Re: 44 Diesel] #13310076 10/13/19 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 44 Diesel
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Originally Posted by coachallentca
If you read the way she was killed a kill switch would not have saved her.. I understand the pain but wearing a life jacket would make more sense.... BUI kills more people than not having a kill switch attached...


And that is against the law also.

A kill switch would have saved her life, just ask the boat operator that was thrown away from the controls of the boat.

Bottom line....it is the law, LIVE with it.



Can you post a link where it says the operator was thrown from the controls. Thanks


I have posted it several times. So, no I can't do it again. Look it up.


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Re: Kali's Law [Re: Rayzor] #13310078 10/13/19 04:00 PM
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A local family hopes their heartache will lead to a new law intended to make boating safer for Texans. As News 4 Trouble Shooter Jaie Avila reports, their daughter died in a terrible boat accident they feel might have been prevented with a simple change.

“We miss her. We suffer every day. We will as long as we're here," says James Gorzell.

It's been almost seven years since he and his wife Donna lost their daughter Kali in a tragic boating accident. She was fishing with friends off Port Aransas when the boat went out of control and Kali was thrown overboard.

The 16-year-old Smithson Valley High School honor student was struck by the propeller, which was still running because the engine's kill switch was not engaged.

“The driver that day, our friend Robert, believes that if he had used his kill switch that day, it would have stopped the engine before it struck Kali, and she'd probably still be here," Gorzell says.

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Re: Kali's Law [Re: Rayzor] #13310082 10/13/19 04:06 PM
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‘Kali’s Law’ is named for the 16-year-old daughter of James and Donna Gorzell, who died on a fishing trip with friends

The death of a Texas teenaged girl nearly seven years ago has led lawmakers there to introduce legislation requiring the use of an engine cut-off switch on any engine equipped with one.

‘Kali’s Law’ is named for the 16-year-old daughter of James and Donna Gorzell, who died on a fishing trip with friends when their boat went out of control and Kali was thrown overboard and caught in the propeller.

The Gorzells, along with family and friends, testified before the legislature and pushed for the safety changes as they have been since Kali’s death.

“The driver that day, our friend Robert, believes that if he had used his kill switch that day, it would have stopped the engine before it struck Kali, and she’d probably still be here,” James Gorzell told WOAI-TV.

A Texas Parks and Wildlife Department official also testified, and gave an alarming estimate: Of the 29 fatal boating accidents reported in Texas last year, the agency believes 26 might have been prevented if a kill switch had been used. That would have reduced the total number of boating deaths to just three, according to the station.


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Re: Kali's Law [Re: Rayzor] #13310237 10/13/19 07:56 PM
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I am sorry for their loss, it is very sad. I think kill switches work it what they are for. But if a law is made for every time
Someone is killed in the world. Jeez just think about it.

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Originally Posted by RANDYSGLIDE
I am sorry for their loss, it is very sad. I think kill switches work it what they are for. But if a law is made for every time
Someone is killed in the world. Jeez just think about it.


The problem is that you can't fix stupid, you have to legislate it.


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Re: Kali's Law [Re: Rayzor] #13310436 10/13/19 10:06 PM
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It's easy to lean facts one way or another when you are trying to win a debate.

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2019/05/20/deaths-texas-lakes-game-wardens-safety/

A safety ignition kill switch comes equipped on most motorized boats, but it only works when boat operators take the extra step to clip it on. Jones said of the 29 boating fatalities that occurred in Texas last year, many could have been prevented if the driver had used a kill switch.

“Drowning is the highest reported cause of death in boating fatalities, and most victims are found not wearing a lifejacket,” Jones said. “It’s not enough to just stow your life jacket onboard because accidents on the water can happen much too fast to reach and put one on.”


I don't think the 26 out of 29 statement is accurate.


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Re: Kali's Law [Re: J.P. Greeson] #13310497 10/13/19 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by J.P. Greeson
It's easy to lean facts one way or another when you are trying to win a debate.

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2019/05/20/deaths-texas-lakes-game-wardens-safety/

A safety ignition kill switch comes equipped on most motorized boats, but it only works when boat operators take the extra step to clip it on. Jones said of the 29 boating fatalities that occurred in Texas last year, many could have been prevented if the driver had used a kill switch.

“Drowning is the highest reported cause of death in boating fatalities, and most victims are found not wearing a lifejacket,” Jones said. “It’s not enough to just stow your life jacket onboard because accidents on the water can happen much too fast to reach and put one on.”


I don't think the 26 out of 29 statement is accurate.



Exactly

http://www.propellersafety.com/14860/regulations/texas-media-misleads-boaters-kalis-law/

Re: Kali's Law [Re: Rayzor] #13310611 10/13/19 11:30 PM
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Yeah, YOU can lean facts too.


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Re: Kali's Law [Re: Rayzor] #13310617 10/13/19 11:31 PM
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You can argue this till the cows come home and it is still the law!


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Re: Kali's Law [Re: Rayzor] #13310648 10/13/19 11:54 PM
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http://www.propellersafety.com/14860/regulations/texas-media-misleads-boaters-kalis-law/

As per our earlier report we only found two fatal boat propeller accidents reported by Texas in the U.S. Coast Guard Boating Accident Report Database (BARD) in 2017 (2018 statistics are not out yet). Both 2017 Texas boat propeller fatalities involved a houseboat backing into a father and his daughter. Use of a kill switch lanyard would not have prevented that accident. Thus, per a quick look, NONE of the 2017 boating fatalities in Texas would have been prevented.

We cannot see the 2018 data yet but would expect similar results.


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