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09/24/19 04:45 PM
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RedEar12
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Back in the late 70’s and early 80’s I made a decision to not fish Tournaments. This was because back then, there were a couple of high profile big bass tournaments that cheating was discovered in East Texas. I grew up in Longview and it just soured me on Tournaments. I know they are great trails out there now so this is not bashing any organizations. My question is this, is cheating very prevelant in todays tournament atmosphere? I have always wondered how many times a guy cashes a check, not necessarily wins, by breaking the rules. Just want to hear some opinions from guys that do fish for the cash.
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Re: Cheating
[Re: RedEar12]
#13291711
09/24/19 05:30 PM
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SteezMacQueen
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I’ve not heard of any cheating in the tourneys I fish. And I fish a BUNCH. Big trails, small jackpots, everything inbetween. Sometimes I wish they were cheating, so I’d have an excuse.
Eat. Sleep. Fish.
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Re: Cheating
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#13291739
09/24/19 05:46 PM
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Sinkey
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I would say no. You don't really see it in todays tournaments. Does it happen??? Prolly sometimes. But I know in the past, most of the guys everyone suspected of cheating. Got caught and no longer fish.
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Re: Cheating
[Re: RedEar12]
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09/24/19 05:58 PM
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1oldbassguy
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There was a guy in SoCal ( can't remember his name -- this was 4-5 years ago ) that participated in a ton of tourneys over many years . He won or placed well in several of them . The lakes they were fishing had spotted bass mostly --- so really big bass were kinda uncommon . He devised a way to attach a small hook to a banana type weight ( 2 to 3 ounces each ) then would shove the weight down the bass throat and the hook would keep it place . He did this without the Co 's seeing it . The only reason they ended up catching him was because he always had a higher than average mortality vs other fisherman . The fish that were brought in and had died were being cleaned and donated to local charities . One of the people cleaning these fish found the weights and reported it . The next tourney comes around and they suspected this guy , so when he brought in his fish , they weighed then and immediately cleaned them , ended up finding a weight in every fish . This guy was well liked and respected , but ended up paying huge fines , no fishing license and no tourneys anymore --- probably lost any friends he had also . Put a little money in front of some people and they totally change how they act .
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Re: Cheating
[Re: RedEar12]
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09/24/19 07:36 PM
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04champ
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Who knows, but I can think of several names from DFW and Central TX with a cloud of suspicion surrounding them that are actively fishing our major trails
And folks keep getting caught
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Re: Cheating
[Re: 1oldbassguy]
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09/24/19 07:40 PM
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BigVes
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There was a guy in SoCal ( can't remember his name -- this was 4-5 years ago ) that participated in a ton of tourneys over many years . He won or placed well in several of them . The lakes they were fishing had spotted bass mostly --- so really big bass were kinda uncommon . He devised a way to attach a small hook to a banana type weight ( 2 to 3 ounces each ) then would shove the weight down the bass throat and the hook would keep it place . He did this without the Co 's seeing it . The only reason they ended up catching him was because he always had a higher than average mortality vs other fisherman . The fish that were brought in and had died were being cleaned and donated to local charities . One of the people cleaning these fish found the weights and reported it . The next tourney comes around and they suspected this guy , so when he brought in his fish , they weighed then and immediately cleaned them , ended up finding a weight in every fish . This guy was well liked and respected , but ended up paying huge fines , no fishing license and no tourneys anymore --- probably lost any friends he had also . Put a little money in front of some people and they totally change how they act . That happened at the US Open 10 or so years ago on Lake Mead. Guy was arrested, charged and never seen or heard from again. Anyone that cheats will eventually get caught especially with the technology we have today (internet, camera phones, etc...). The bass fishing community does not put up with cheating. These people get put on blast via the internet & social media, word gets around within days and the criminals days of cheating and tournament fishing are done. RIP Mike Long... but not really
Last edited by BigVes; 09/24/19 07:42 PM.
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Re: Cheating
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09/24/19 08:06 PM
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JeffLStevens
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I believe there is some cheating.....I think saying that there isn't is naïve. We all fished against Robby for years and some of us called him a cheater for years....finally caught. We fished against Ryan and called him a cheater for years.....finally caught. There are a handful that I still have some suspicions about but they are pretty selective on what they fish and bounce around a lot.....and eventually they will be caught too.
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Re: Cheating
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09/24/19 08:07 PM
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BMCD
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Kinda why i like to fish draw type tournaments, feel like it is less likely to happen.
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Re: Cheating
[Re: 1oldbassguy]
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09/24/19 08:16 PM
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basscaster46
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There was a guy in SoCal ( can't remember his name -- this was 4-5 years ago ) that participated in a ton of tourneys over many years . He won or placed well in several of them . The lakes they were fishing had spotted bass mostly --- so really big bass were kinda uncommon . He devised a way to attach a small hook to a banana type weight ( 2 to 3 ounces each ) then would shove the weight down the bass throat and the hook would keep it place . He did this without the Co 's seeing it . The only reason they ended up catching him was because he always had a higher than average mortality vs other fisherman . The fish that were brought in and had died were being cleaned and donated to local charities . One of the people cleaning these fish found the weights and reported it . The next tourney comes around and they suspected this guy , so when he brought in his fish , they weighed then and immediately cleaned them , ended up finding a weight in every fish . This guy was well liked and respected , but ended up paying huge fines , no fishing license and no tourneys anymore --- probably lost any friends he had also . Put a little money in front of some people and they totally change how they act . People will do anything if money is involved . It’s been proven too many times. J D
I got all day I’m retired
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Re: Cheating
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#13291971
09/24/19 08:54 PM
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Jarrett Latta
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I think there is some level of it to cash checks. Not to win. Not saying it happens often, but does happen especially in deep payout tournaments like champs or TTT
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Re: Cheating
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09/24/19 08:59 PM
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Tiltman
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It's been a while since I've competed but I like to think that when I do return to it that I will be competing against good honest guys. I was the next guy that walked off the Stage after Robby weighed his last tournament fish, watched that whole deal first hand. I remember vividly the words "hey this fish can't swim" I was startled turned around and realized my fish was still on the stage and the tank guys were holding Robby's.
I have fished events on Texoma where the infamous R L was surrounded by a cloud of suspicion as well, but after that the thought of " I wonder if there is a cheater here today?" never crosses my mind.
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Re: Cheating
[Re: BigVes]
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09/24/19 09:29 PM
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TinRangerJim
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There was a guy in SoCal ( can't remember his name -- this was 4-5 years ago ) that participated in a ton of tourneys over many years . He won or placed well in several of them . The lakes they were fishing had spotted bass mostly --- so really big bass were kinda uncommon . He devised a way to attach a small hook to a banana type weight ( 2 to 3 ounces each ) then would shove the weight down the bass throat and the hook would keep it place . He did this without the Co 's seeing it . The only reason they ended up catching him was because he always had a higher than average mortality vs other fisherman . The fish that were brought in and had died were being cleaned and donated to local charities . One of the people cleaning these fish found the weights and reported it . The next tourney comes around and they suspected this guy , so when he brought in his fish , they weighed then and immediately cleaned them , ended up finding a weight in every fish . This guy was well liked and respected , but ended up paying huge fines , no fishing license and no tourneys anymore --- probably lost any friends he had also . Put a little money in front of some people and they totally change how they act . That happened at the US Open 10 or so years ago on Lake Mead. Guy was arrested, charged and never seen or heard from again. Anyone that cheats will eventually get caught especially with the technology we have today (internet, camera phones, etc...). The bass fishing community does not put up with cheating. These people get put on blast via the internet & social media, word gets around within days and the criminals days of cheating and tournament fishing are done. RIP Mike Long... but not really Wrong Mike... the U.S. Open cheater was Mike Hart (but he was probably cut from the same bolt of cloth as Mike Long...)
"Rip Some Lips" Nevadan by birth, Texan by choice Retired USAF, 1966-1989 Jim C.
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Re: Cheating
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09/24/19 10:58 PM
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GROD
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IF MONEY IS INVOLVED, then some will still cheat. I believe it’s a small fraction of actual bass fisherman though. Tournaments like the Sealy though, where you can fish off the bank and somehow trailer your fish to weigh in, I guarantee some of those bass come out of surrounding stock tanks. No doubt about it... just roll the dice on a poly draw or not. I don’t agree with any tournament allowing fishing off the bank anywhere on the lake.
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Re: Cheating
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#13292131
09/24/19 11:24 PM
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TR176
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Am I correct t in saying cheating in fishing tourneys is now a state jail felony? How often have people been caught and end up with a felony on their record forever?
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Re: Cheating
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#13292373
09/25/19 03:15 AM
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skeeter james
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I fish a little Friday night tournament on Lewisville and a few tournaments ago I caught a little bass and as I was swinging it in the boat I caught a glimpse of its tail and it was bleeding. I thought it’s awful late for a bass too have a bloody tail. Then I took it off the hook and held it up and the whole tail had been cut shorter. Which is really weird because Lewisville isn’t a slot lake. But that’s all I can figure is someone cut it for some reason...
Formerly known as progator james 2013 Skeeter FX21 with a 250 SHO... Love this boat!!
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