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Re: McQueeney River [Re: cbluewater] #13271174 09/05/19 04:19 PM
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Sounds like Seguin planning and development should do a better job at recruiting businesses and new housing ( tax base ) will follow. As far as I know, there are no promises that your property will always appreciate over time. When those depreciated properties hit the market, I am certain somebody will find it a good investment and life moves on. Use that GBRA property by the dam in McQueeney to facilitate a county or state campground with lake access. Fees may only cover operations or even a portion of it, but with sharing the lake, it won't be such a bitter pill to swallow. Find one FOLM member that would even consider that thought. Good luck !

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Originally Posted by cbluewater
Sounds like Seguin planning and development should do a better job at recruiting businesses and new housing ( tax base ) will follow. As far as I know, there are no promises that your property will always appreciate over time. When those depreciated properties hit the market, I am certain somebody will find it a good investment and life moves on. Use that GBRA property by the dam in McQueeney to facilitate a county or state campground with lake access. Fees may only cover operations or even a portion of it, but with sharing the lake, it won't be such a bitter pill to swallow. Find one FOLM member that would even consider that thought. Good luck !


I agree with you completely. The issue though is that Seguin does not have an alternative tax base now and they depend on the money now. I live on Dunlap and as a fisherman, I don't think McQueeney should be private. Those folks are in a tough spot. It still doesn't account for the counties and schools will have to raise taxes on everyone and every business to make up for the shortfall. Seguin and the communities south cannot afford to lose any amount of tax income. Unfortunately, everyone in those counties and anyone who visits will pay for GBRA's lack of planning.

Victoria is or was in court with GBRA over water flow. It is my understanding that they were arguing loss of habitat for whooping cranes to address the lack of river flow. GBRA has also entered into an agreement with Vulcan for the new cement plant off 46 and 3009. It is a real mess and there are a lot of moving parts. GBRA seems to be focused on making money with little regard for what else happens.

With the regards to sounding like a whiner, it is not the only the fact that the lakes are going away, it is the fact that this is going to effect a lot of people and not many seem to, as of yet, truly understand that a state agency, GBRA, is not acting in the best interest of anyone but themselves. That is really the source of frustration. This is a bad deal and the public needs to understand what is going on. If a state agency can act like this here, it can happen anywhere.

Re: McQueeney River [Re: cbluewater] #13271349 09/05/19 06:31 PM
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Just an FYI and I will leave this thread alone.

The lake property taxes per #saveourlakes on Facebook are 10% of the total school taxes in Seguin and 18% in the Navarro School District. I understand that just because it is on the internet doesn't mean it is true. It is reported on a video where the superintendents of each school districts are being interviewed for anyone who is interested.

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Originally Posted by AG87
Just an FYI and I will leave this thread alone.

The lake property taxes per #saveourlakes on Facebook are 10% of the total school taxes in Seguin and 18% in the Navarro School District. I understand that just because it is on the internet doesn't mean it is true. It is reported on a video where the superintendents of each school districts are being interviewed for anyone who is interested.




And how much did the Caterpillar plant bring in that used to not be there, we can play this game forever.

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Originally Posted by grout-scout
Originally Posted by AG87
Just an FYI and I will leave this thread alone.

The lake property taxes per #saveourlakes on Facebook are 10% of the total school taxes in Seguin and 18% in the Navarro School District. I understand that just because it is on the internet doesn't mean it is true. It is reported on a video where the superintendents of each school districts are being interviewed for anyone who is interested.




And how much did the Caterpillar plant bring in that used to not be there, we can play this game forever.


Just to be clear, I give you reference to a video where the Superintendents of the school districts that are being effected, are discussing the issues, and your response to challenge that information, is to ask a question that is irrelevant to the discussion? Shrewd! I didn't make this up. That plant has been there for a few years and is figured (I can only assume) into the budgets the Superintendents are discussing. Everyone has the right to an opinion even if it based on emotion versus facts. We all have the option of getting involved, learning the facts, or we can all yell liar, liar, pants on fire. Doesn't matter to me. I'm out.

If anyone is interested in seeing the information, please join the numerous facebook groups that have been formed regarding this issue. #saveourlakes #friendsoflakemcqueeney #preservelakedunlap #GBRAtexas etc.......

Re: McQueeney River [Re: cbluewater] #13272300 09/06/19 04:30 PM
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Come on man....socialists like GS can't handle facts.



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Originally Posted by BillS2006
Come on man....socialists like GS can't handle facts.



But yet, you’re the one wanting the gov’t agency to pay for new gates. You guys are awesome, someone challenges your cry’s and you have to resort to name calling. Billy, I will try to help you understand what a socialist again, since you don’t really grasp what it means. Wanting the government to take care of you and your problems, with the help of others peoples money, is a socialist.

Just come out and say it, “we need the state of Texas to bail us out”. Don’t worry guys, MyQueeny will be just fine, you just have to follow where the money’s at.




AG, post a link to the video.

Re: McQueeney River [Re: banker-always fishing] #13272612 09/06/19 09:30 PM
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If you go and read the lawsuits, they aren't asking for tax payer money because they want a handout to keep their private lake... they are asking for GBRA to be held accountable for neglecting any maintenance since 1993, and the GBRA is appointed by the state.

They are asking for an injunction against draining the lakes while they institute a taxing entity that would tax the lakeside residents to raise funds along with private donations. GBRA is demanding they go back in with a state of the art hydroelectric dam costing an exuberant amount of money. The current dams are not built for flood control. I believe the residents are wanting to privately fund a new dam of their choosing and remove GBRA control due to their performance or lack thereof. GBRA makes multiple 10's of millions of dollars from water and waste water sales each year yet never reinvested in maintenance. In other words they operate and profit but do not maintain.

McQueeney (and Placid, Meadow and Gonzalez) are trying to save the water as it is for multiple reasons, personal and environmental. Lake Woods got the middle finger from the GBRA in 2016 and Dunlop has gotten the same here in 2019, yet the GBRA still gets to operate when they are really the only reason the dams are failing the way they are.

Re: McQueeney River [Re: cbluewater] #13273338 09/07/19 06:37 PM
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Times have changed and back when those dams were built, 16 foot boat with a 40 horsepower outboard was probably the " cats meow ". How many floods in the last decade ? that washed dozens of 22 to 24' wakeboats at maybe 6000 lbs. across those same gates. Just watch the videos. They hang up momentarily before plunging into pieces. I know lack of maintenance is an ongoing issue with the dams, but ask an old timer about his property erosion, but he made the sacrifice to build a retaining wall or sold and moved on. Has anybody seen results state traffic study of lake McQueeney ? Was it not one of the members ( or former ) that was involved in a incident that require air life to take some of the passengers of that vessel to SA for treatment. I can recall several situations that caused fatalities or drowning, but seems like most were not public ?

Re: McQueeney River [Re: cbluewater] #13275037 09/09/19 12:19 PM
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Had to be in Seguin yesterday so I drove by the launching ramp on I-10 and it was packed. People using it for the last time I guess. Lots of activity on the water and it looked like everyone was having fun. Just for curiosity took a drive around the island on the "private" lake and only saw one boat on the water. What a waste of a resource that could be benefited by more people.

Re: McQueeney River [Re: cbluewater] #13275226 09/09/19 03:01 PM
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Unpopular reality: Just because there is no "public" boat ramp does not make a lake "private"

Remember, the last "public" boat ramp (which was a privately owned bait shop) on Terminal Loop was voluntarily sold

I would 100% rather see a lake full of responsible fisherman than vacationing wake surfers. It still doesn't change the other fact that no matter the amount of traffic, call it private or public, that the obligations of the GBRA was to monitor, repair and maintain all of the dams in this chain of lakes.

Another unpopular reality: Just because your property isn't lakefront, if you own a home in the flood plane, you benefit from the dam and dam upkeep. You should be equally concerned

Re: McQueeney River [Re: cbluewater] #13275941 09/10/19 02:49 AM
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I had heard that the Mcqueeney HOA filed a temporary injunction on the GBRA's plan to drain the remaining lakes. Judge granted it. Looks like a delay on the Sept. 16th draining! hmmm



Side Note: I do not know if this is true or not! noidea




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Re: McQueeney River [Re: banker-always fishing] #13276171 09/10/19 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by banker-always fishing
I had heard that the Mcqueeney HOA filed a temporary injunction on the GBRA's plan to drain the remaining lakes. Judge granted it. Looks like a delay on the Sept. 16th draining! hmmm



Side Note: I do not know if this is true or not! noidea


I believe both parties will go before a judge tomorrow.

Re: McQueeney River [Re: cbluewater] #13277343 09/11/19 02:33 PM
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Saw on KSAT News hearing today!

Re: McQueeney River [Re: cbluewater] #13277738 09/11/19 08:01 PM
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All I can say is they get what they have coming. I fished that lake nearly daily for about 10 years. (Grandpa had an RV set up at the old McQueeney Marina). That lake was great when I was younger, and we would even launch at Hot Shots sometimes since we came from Seguin. As soon as FOLM began taking the hydrilla out of that lake, it went downhill fishing wise, as well as recreationally. The residents on the lake thought they owned it, and had no respect whatsoever for fishermen. That was the start of making it their private lake. Then it all went downhill and nobody could access the lake unless you were a member of the ski lodge, or knew someone with a private ramp. Then the power lines ramp was found, and people started using it, and again residents put up a stank about that. Mind you, this is a ramp that has no upkeep, and im sure the residents of the lake do not use it. I used the power lines ramp and never really had a problem, but it worked. Now your going to drain the lake, and I am all for it. The dams are not their fault I get that, but what they have done to that lake is disgusting. They got what they wanted, and now they are getting what they deserve for being the rich entitled snobs that they are.

On another note, Im sad to see Dunlap gone, and Placid and Meadow Lake gone. Many memories at both of those lakes as well, and never really felt unwelcomed at either of them. Once these McQueeney residents home value drops and they move on to another lake, I just might buy up their property and wait it out and see if the dams are fixed and the lakes are refilled. At that point, i'll probably be too old to enjoy it.

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