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Moody's downgrades FORD to 'junk' status
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09/10/19 10:45 AM
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Interesting, but I did this years ago...Aluminum trucks, tiny 6 bangers. Pffftttt.... "Moody's downgraded Ford's credit rating to speculative or "junk" status on Monday, citing the company's weak financial outlook as it embarks on an ambitious restructuring. Characterizing the auto giant's current overhaul as "unprecedentedly large and challenging," the ratings agency slashed Ford's debt to the non-investment-grade "Ba1" -- saying prospects for its cash flow and profit margins through the 2020-2021 period were poor." https://finance.yahoo.com/news/moodys-downgrades-ford-junk-status-weak-outlook-210253793.html
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Re: Moody's downgrades FORD to 'junk' status
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09/10/19 10:57 AM
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Moody’s is late to the party.
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Re: Moody's downgrades FORD to 'junk' status
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09/10/19 11:26 AM
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never took the government cheese.
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Re: Moody's downgrades FORD to 'junk' status
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09/10/19 11:38 AM
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never took the government cheese. The manufacturing side of Ford had already cut costs and did not get TARP funds, but Ford got a huge government loan. Ford's CEO drove to DC to ask for government money. Ford got a $5,900,000,000 government loan to develop fuel-efficient cars at about the same time GM got TARP money. So Ford did get a bailout, they just tapped a different source of government money.
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Re: Moody's downgrades FORD to 'junk' status
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09/10/19 11:38 AM
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Wonder how GM and Chrysler's credit is after the US bailed them out in 2008-09. Seems I recall GM's bankruptcy cost the US 51 billion.
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Re: Moody's downgrades FORD to 'junk' status
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09/10/19 01:44 PM
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Wonder how GM and Chrysler's credit is after the US bailed them out in 2008-09. Seems I recall GM's bankruptcy cost the US 51 billion. The Treasure Dept. made $2,100,000,000 off of GM by the time everything was settled. They made $2,400,000,000 off of GMAC.
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Re: Moody's downgrades FORD to 'junk' status
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09/10/19 01:46 PM
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never took the government cheese. The manufacturing side of Ford had already cut costs and did not get TARP funds, but Ford got a huge government loan. Ford's CEO drove to DC to ask for government money. Ford got a $5,900,000,000 government loan to develop fuel-efficient cars at about the same time GM got TARP money. So Ford did get a bailout, they just tapped a different source of government money. You said loan, so I assume that means you have to pay it back vs. A bailout.
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Re: Moody's downgrades FORD to 'junk' status
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09/10/19 01:52 PM
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Re: Moody's downgrades FORD to 'junk' status
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09/10/19 01:53 PM
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Ford is most likely smarter than I am, but I question their marketing plan to quit selling cars (except the Mustang and a Focus model) in the US and put their faith in pickup trucks and SUVs with mostly small displacement turbo motors. Seems like they are really taking a gamble with a very fickle buying public.
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Re: Moody's downgrades FORD to 'junk' status
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never took the government cheese. The manufacturing side of Ford had already cut costs and did not get TARP funds, but Ford got a huge government loan. Ford's CEO drove to DC to ask for government money. Ford got a $5,900,000,000 government loan to develop fuel-efficient cars at about the same time GM got TARP money. So Ford did get a bailout, they just tapped a different source of government money. a loan is not a bailout, but thanks for playing our game.
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Re: Moody's downgrades FORD to 'junk' status
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09/10/19 01:58 PM
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Wonder how GM and Chrysler's credit is after the US bailed them out in 2008-09. Seems I recall GM's bankruptcy cost the US 51 billion. The Treasure Dept. made $2,100,000,000 off of GM by the time everything was settled. They made $2,400,000,000 off of GMAC. More fake news. The Feds lost over $11 billion bailing out GM. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...lion-on-gm-bailout-idUSBREA3T0MR20140430
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Re: Moody's downgrades FORD to 'junk' status
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The “Ford took no government money” is a simplistic statement. Ford’s CEO asked Congress for up $9,000,000,000 in credit, and said “In addition to our plan, we are also here today to request support for the industry. In the near-term, Ford does not require access to a government bridge loan. However, we request a credit line of $9 billion as a critical backstop or safeguard against worsening conditions as we drive transformational change in our company.”
Ford also encouraged Congress to pass the cash-for-clunkers program. So Ford was advocating for and benefiting from government assistance programs.
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Re: Moody's downgrades FORD to 'junk' status
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09/10/19 02:17 PM
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Wonder how GM and Chrysler's credit is after the US bailed them out in 2008-09. Seems I recall GM's bankruptcy cost the US 51 billion. The Treasure Dept. made $2,100,000,000 off of GM by the time everything was settled. They made $2,400,000,000 off of GMAC. Boom. And the great recession was caused by whom? Another one is looming thanks to T................
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Re: Moody's downgrades FORD to 'junk' status
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09/10/19 02:20 PM
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Re: Moody's downgrades FORD to 'junk' status
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09/10/19 02:34 PM
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Wonder how GM and Chrysler's credit is after the US bailed them out in 2008-09. Seems I recall GM's bankruptcy cost the US 51 billion. The Treasure Dept. made $2,100,000,000 off of GM by the time everything was settled. They made $2,400,000,000 off of GMAC. More fake news. The Feds lost over $11 billion bailing out GM. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...lion-on-gm-bailout-idUSBREA3T0MR20140430Thanks JC for pointing out the fake news some of these jokers come up with.
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