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Re: Why bass might be getting harder to catch [Re: Jpurdue] #13196800 06/26/19 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Jpurdue
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Evolution of a gene pool takes thousands of years. Not 30. Haha.


Macro evolution in nature takes thousands or millions of years. Micro evolution with massive amounts of human influence can happen in a couple of generations. This is particularly true with a species that reproduces in large numbers every single year.


Agree.

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Re: Why bass might be getting harder to catch [Re: Jpurdue] #13196804 06/26/19 04:27 PM
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Having no grass in a lake does not make catching bass a piece of cake either

Re: Why bass might be getting harder to catch [Re: Jpurdue] #13196810 06/26/19 04:34 PM
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Articles like this have been out for years-if you catch and keep bass you are getting more "dumb" ones than "smart" ones and the remaining bass will get harder to catch.

But with most fishermen putting everything back, I don't see that you will alter the gene pool. What I have also read is that there are some bass that
never get caught and some that get caught repeatedly.

Re: Why bass might be getting harder to catch [Re: Jpurdue] #13196814 06/26/19 04:37 PM
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I shared this article last week, I found it interesting . It's not stating that all bass are harder to catch just from there research that some were caught multiple times where as about 11 % didn't get caught at all. Someone else posted on my original post that TPWD had done a similar study. Think there were a ton of lures thrown in 1992 , I was there and there was. But Mr. St. Clair fish on a minnow in deep water still holds true.


Re: Why bass might be getting harder to catch [Re: Jpurdue] #13196825 06/26/19 04:47 PM
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I know one thing.....I use to be able to catch A LOT of fish on buzzbaits at night on Fork. We had a bunch of 30 fish nights on bb. If you can catch one now on a bb it's a miracle


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Re: Why bass might be getting harder to catch [Re: kirbydog] #13196838 06/26/19 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by kirbydog

But with most fishermen putting everything back, I don't see that you will alter the gene pool.


They explain this in the article. It's mostly got to do with tournaments/harvest around the spawn period. Bass that are easy to catch are going to get pulled off their beds in far greater numbers than bass that are hard to catch. While they are sitting in a live well for 8 hours or taking a grease bath, their nest is getting ravaged. Thus the tough to catch fish will spread their tough to catch genes to a much greater extent.


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Re: Why bass might be getting harder to catch [Re: Razorback] #13196850 06/26/19 05:18 PM
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I haven't noticed a decline in the amount of bass I catch now as opposed to 30 years ago. I do fish less for bass now than I used to back then but when I fish for them now my catch rate is about the same as far as I can remember. Actually, maybe a little better as the years go by and I learn new techniques and my skills have improved. Some good days some bad but that's been the same for 40 years now. I really haven't noticed any difference other than all lakes seem to go thru up years and down years production wise. I think it's more about adaption than evolution. As these fish adapt to old baits/techniques so must we. They get used to seeing certain baits/techniques, we use new ones.



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Re: Why bass might be getting harder to catch [Re: SteezMacQueen] #13196876 06/26/19 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SteezMacQueen
Evolution of a gene pool takes thousands of years. Not 30. Haha.


thousands of years doesn't help some
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Re: Why bass might be getting harder to catch [Re: Jpurdue] #13196900 06/26/19 06:14 PM
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Just remember this ....

When a big, DUMB (easy to catch 13+ pounder) is donated to TPWD, its DUMB (easy to catch) offspring are raised to fingerling size and RESTOCKED with a great chance to mature be JUST AS DUMB at their momma. This surely offsets any mutations that may occur in a gene that makes them hard to catch.

This is a ridiculous thread. Lol.


The article stresses data. Data is interpreted any way you want to interpret it. Scew it. Whatever.


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Re: Why bass might be getting harder to catch [Re: Jpurdue] #13197029 06/26/19 08:22 PM
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Excellent point and makes sense. I don't fish for spawning bass on purpose but thats a whole different conversation.

Re: Why bass might be getting harder to catch [Re: Jpurdue] #13197035 06/26/19 08:31 PM
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Interesting thread.


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Re: Why bass might be getting harder to catch [Re: Jpurdue] #13197045 06/26/19 08:40 PM
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Re: Why bass might be getting harder to catch [Re: SteezMacQueen] #13197106 06/26/19 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SteezMacQueen
Just remember this ....

When a big, DUMB (easy to catch 13+ pounder) is donated to TPWD, its DUMB (easy to catch) offspring are raised to fingerling size and RESTOCKED with a great chance to mature be JUST AS DUMB at their momma. This surely offsets any mutations that may occur in a gene that makes them hard to catch.

This is a ridiculous thread. Lol.


The article stresses data. Data is interpreted any way you want to interpret it. Scew it. Whatever.


What about this topic has made you so angry? What is your conclusion of the data that was presented?


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After over 30 years of bass fishing I have to say, either I've gotten really good or the fish on the lakes I visit are dumber then rocks.

Re: Why bass might be getting harder to catch [Re: Outdoordude] #13197164 06/26/19 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Outdoordude
Originally Posted by SteezMacQueen
Just remember this ....

When a big, DUMB (easy to catch 13+ pounder) is donated to TPWD, its DUMB (easy to catch) offspring are raised to fingerling size and RESTOCKED with a great chance to mature be JUST AS DUMB at their momma. This surely offsets any mutations that may occur in a gene that makes them hard to catch.

This is a ridiculous thread. Lol.


The article stresses data. Data is interpreted any way you want to interpret it. Scew it. Whatever.


What about this topic has made you so angry? What is your conclusion of the data that was presented?


Not angry at all. I just dont fall for the hype. Its possible to take just about any data and arrange/support that data to sway conclusions in either direction. Its only as good as the agenda being pushed.


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