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Re: Kayak gots a Leak
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06/25/19 02:48 AM
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Magged Out
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I'd Tack That!!
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Re: Kayak gots a Leak
[Re: Mike@972]
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06/25/19 04:34 AM
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lconn4
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I'd bet it is one of the scupper holes as well. If you can't find leak trying the suggestions above, plug the scuppers from the bottom and see if that puts an end to your problems the next time you go fishing. This is genius! A simple solution to isolate the issue. Avoids the stress of putting 500 pounds of water inside the yak and allows you to unplug one at a time until the issue is isolated. Great suggestion Iconn That's why they pay me the big bucks.
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Re: Kayak gots a Leak
[Re: Tallgrass05]
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06/25/19 05:12 AM
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lconn4
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I would not use JB on a leak, I'd use 3M 5200 marine adhesive. Have you had a bad experience using it? Its not for rookies though we all have to start somewhere.
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Re: Kayak gots a Leak
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06/25/19 11:35 AM
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I would not use JB on a leak, I'd use 3M 5200 marine adhesive. Have you had a bad experience using it? Its not for rookies though we all have to start somewhere. 3M 5200 is simply a superior product.
You get out of it what you put into it!
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Re: Kayak gots a Leak
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06/25/19 12:59 PM
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butch sanders
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if you have scuppers how would you know if you had a leak
i have a sit in so curious
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Re: Kayak gots a Leak
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06/25/19 12:59 PM
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While I agree 3M 5200 and G/Flex are superior; JB water weld putty is very good for kayak repairs. The regular JB weld is too rigid when cured and will fail quickly. The JB water weld putty is still somewhat pliable at full cure and works well. Lexel is another good option for some repairs.
As far as pumping air into the kayak and using the soapy water method; done that about ten times on my kayak and it hasn't localized the leak. The air method works best on kayaks that are close to air tight--your Ocean kayak hull looks much closer to air tight than my kayak, so it would be worth doing. Some SOT kayaks with multiple different hatch types are far from air tight and the air/soap method is low yield.
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Re: Kayak gots a Leak
[Re: butch sanders]
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06/25/19 01:00 PM
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if you have scuppers how would you know if you had a leak
i have a sit in so curious The scuppers drain back into the body of water, not the hull. So if there is a significant amount of water in the hull after kayaking, there is likely a leak somewhere.
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Re: Kayak gots a Leak
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06/25/19 03:44 PM
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[quote=Tallgrass05]I would not use JB on a leak, I'd use 3M 5200 marine adhesive. Have you had a bad experience using it? Its not for rookies though we all have to start somewhere. 3M 5200 is simply a superior product. [/quote
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Re: Kayak gots a Leak
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06/25/19 04:03 PM
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The scuppers drain back into the body of water, not the hull. So if there is a significant amount of water in the hull after kayaking, there is likely a leak somewhere.
Many kayaks are made from a two piece mold and the seam in the scupper is a weak point that can cause a leak inside the hull. Even scuppers on a one-piece mold can leak because they double as support for the deck and carry the weight of the occupant. Simply put, scuppers are a stress point and are vulnerable to leaking.
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Re: Kayak gots a Leak
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06/25/19 05:24 PM
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Scupper leaks can be tricky to detect, because sometimes they will only leak under stress. Visualizing the scupper tube in the hull of the kayak can be a challenge also. I relined all my scuppers with PVC braided vinyl tubing coated in Lexel (thought I used PEX tubing, but I used PEX on another project) Sort of a carpet bomb shotgun repair method, but when you can't localize a leak, you start reinforcing/sealing off the most common leak points. The tubing is at HD/Lowes in the plumbing/irrigation section. Found a diameter that snugly fit inside the scuppers. Cut the tubing to scupper length + 1 inch Generously coated the outside of the tubing with Lexel and inserted all six pieces inside each of the six scuppers. I used Lexel instead of 5200, because you can always go forward after using Lexel. Lexel seals and bonds well to HDPE, but you can break the bond physically without doing damage to the kayak. There is no going back with 5200, it's permanent. 5200 is a nuclear solution to a problem and breaking the bond it forms will likely cause damage to the HDPE. Now, if you have localized the leak with great certainty, 5200 would be a good product to use. Only plastic welding and possibly G/Flex would offer a stronger repair.
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Re: Kayak gots a Leak
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06/25/19 05:33 PM
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Scupper leaks can be tricky to detect, because sometimes they will only leak under stress. Visualizing the scupper tube in the hull of the kayak can be a challenge also. I relined all my scuppers with PVC braided vinyl tubing coated in Lexel (thought I used PEX tubing, but I used PEX on another project) Sort of a carpet bomb shotgun repair method, but when you can't localize a leak, you start reinforcing/sealing off the most common leak points. The tubing is at HD/Lowes in the plumbing/irrigation section. Found a diameter that snugly fit inside the scuppers. Cut the tubing to scupper length + 1 inch Generously coated the outside of the tubing with Lexel and inserted all six pieces inside each of the six scuppers. I used Lexel instead of 5200, because you can always go forward after using Lexel. Lexel seals and bonds well to HDPE, but you can break the bond physically without doing damage to the kayak. There is no going back with 5200, it's permanent. 5200 is a nuclear solution to a problem and breaking the bond it forms will likely cause damage to the HDPE. Now, if you have localized the leak with great certainty, 5200 would be a good product to use. Only plastic welding and possibly G/Flex would offer a stronger repair. And.... STILL LEAKS A LOT! New Kayak time. Give it up mate
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Re: Kayak gots a Leak
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06/25/19 05:40 PM
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lconn4
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JB Water Weld... for those that can swim, when you ain't got the time, the money, or the desire for rocket science research on a cheap plastic boat.
Last edited by lconn4; 06/25/19 06:30 PM.
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Re: Kayak gots a Leak
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06/27/19 12:20 AM
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butch sanders
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if you have scuppers how would you know if you had a leak
i have a sit in so curious The scuppers drain back into the body of water, not the hull. So if there is a significant amount of water in the hull after kayaking, there is likely a leak somewhere. thanks
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Re: Kayak gots a Leak
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06/27/19 01:43 PM
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If you try all the fixes listed above and it still leaks, then it may be time to buy a new kayak with a warranty, and sell your kayak to someone you don't like for cheap.
Just one more cast!
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Re: Kayak gots a Leak
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06/27/19 02:08 PM
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If you try all the fixes listed above and it still leaks, then it may be time to buy a new kayak with a warranty, and sell your kayak to someone you don't like for cheap. Did Dan90210 tell you to say this? But, yes, at some point with all the testing trying to find the leak, you are probably weakening the leak point(s) with all the testing stress. You may also reach a point where you can't fit any more pool noodles in the hull and the amount of time you are bilging becomes cumbersome. I keep my kayaks for spare parts and for when friends want to go instead of selling them. You should inform any potential buyer of a significant leak, if you do choose to sell.
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