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Re: High School fish tournament fraud [Re: adam_p] #13155354
05/15/19 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by adam_p
How does this person become a captain, not to mention how the hell do they become a teacher?




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Ouch that's a pretty solid list...… Lots of good high school anglers and captains and lots bad ones as well. I have no idea how you go about separating the two

Re: High School fish tournament fraud [Re: RedRaider3933] #13155366
05/15/19 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by RedRaider3933


Because they are not paying to have their kids taught, they are paying for them to win, with little effort actually put in by the actual competitors. Your son was taught and had to learn skills then apply those skills. These kids, not all of them, show up and are told exactly where to throw and what to throw. Do they learn anything by doing that? Not really.


Sure they learn something. They learn some good spots to fish, and how to fish them, without having to spend countless hours on the water finding them.

If the boat and tackle manufacturers and retailers didn't come up with this idea...they should have.

Re: High School fish tournament fraud [Re: bassfinder78155] #13155503
05/15/19 11:05 PM
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Well Tim so much for staying out of the TFF crosshairs like you were talking about at the rules meeting.

Re: High School fish tournament fraud [Re: adam_p] #13155756
05/16/19 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by adam_p
How does this person become a captain, not to mention how the hell do they become a teacher?




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I think you are on to something. There should be background checks on captains

Re: High School fish tournament fraud [Re: bassfinder78155] #13155775
05/16/19 03:39 AM
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A lot of school district require all volunteers to register and complete a check if volunteering at the school. Unsure if it has made its way to the fishing trail yet, or if its assumed since he was an ISD employee already.


Re: High School fish tournament fraud [Re: Tim Haugh] #13155792
05/16/19 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Tim Haugh
Originally Posted by TripletsFish
Now, there is a rumor that Gainesville HS teams were busted sharing fish at the State Championship. THSBA keeps DQ's quiet so as to not embarrass the kids, but it sounds like the whole team needs to be watched very closely next year. A few years ago, they watched Sanger like hawks after one of their boat captains was caught adding his fish to his daughter's bag.



Let me put an end to that rumor before the high school fishing haters attach themselves to a BS rumor. A team from Gainesville had a blowout on their tow vehicle on the way to Athens HS. One of the other teams stopped and got the students and their fish transferred to their boat and took them to the weigh in so they wouldn’t be late and miss the check in cut off time while the boat captain changes his tire. Our rules allow this. No different than a boat breaking down on the water and another competitors boat transferring the fish and students into their boat and taking them to the lakeside weigh in.

Those of you that were at the weigh in and saw me take over the weigh in procedures for about 10 minutes, well the reason why is because it was reported to us that teams may have been sharing fish, so we investigated it on the spot. And the above is what the conclusion was. End of story.

Gainesville has been a great team, following all the rules and procedures set forth by the THSBA, especially when there has been a major violation involving one of their own teams.


Thank you for the explanation. I will forward your response to the person who told me this rumor.


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Re: High School fish tournament fraud [Re: LandonPrestage16] #13156019
05/16/19 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by LandonPrestage16
Look I fish for the school this happened too and these kids were just in it for fun and they didnt have any intention to cheat the Boat Captain was the one who didi


So the kids, the ones old enough to be in high school, knew nothing about it?


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Re: High School fish tournament fraud [Re: LandonPrestage16] #13156027
05/16/19 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by LandonPrestage16
Look I fish for the school this happened too and these kids were just in it for fun and they didnt have any intention to cheat the Boat Captain was the one who didi


I dont think intention matters in this case bud. They knew what they did wether they intended to or not that morning. Want to elaborate on the story?

Re: High School fish tournament fraud [Re: bassfinder78155] #13156056
05/16/19 02:08 PM
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From every high school tournament I have seen the kids take the fish to the scales.. Tell me again how the kids had no part in this?
What bugs me about the whole thing is that this happened in November of last year and it is just now coming out.


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Re: High School fish tournament fraud [Re: bassfinder78155] #13156104
05/16/19 02:36 PM
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the reason it is slow to come out is that with our everybody gets a ribbon mentality the tournament directors don't want to make the hard call that need to be made from time to time when folks go outside the rules if you have been fishing tournaments any length of time we have all seen some things that make you shake your head. there are rules for a reason for safety an fairness. .

Re: High School fish tournament fraud [Re: LandonPrestage16] #13156146
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I've seen quite a few defending the kids on the team here.....including someone that is apparently on the school team. Would love to see the kids that were involved in this provide their explanation of why they are not responsible. Did they see Ryan make a cast? Did they see him catch a fish? Did they see him put the fish in the livewell? Did they put the fish in their weigh in bag and weigh it/them in? It doesn't matter that he was the captain.....they knew this was wrong and are old enough to know better. As far as I am concerned, they are just as guilty in this as he is and should be banned from fishing tournaments. Bad decisions = consequences.

Re: High School fish tournament fraud [Re: SteezMacQueen] #13156158
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Originally Posted by SteezMacQueen

How did they prove the 5 biggest fish weren’t combined from the two boats? Was an official present during the entire transportation?

No. It IS VERY different than a competitor hitching a ride in another boat with two separate unbiased officials watching over things. This, too me, kinda sounds like a convenient way to explain away an opportunity to cheat.


Never thought about that, in other instances you have a co-angler or marshall present to watch over things, I would be confident if the HS senario were to take place at other levels team, AAA, Tour, maybe even club level where money is involved the teams would be disqualified, you think Trip Wheldon would let this slide? I don't see this making something out of nothing considering the team involved had already been caught cheating once.

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Re: High School fish tournament fraud [Re: Legend LE-195] #13156218
05/16/19 04:02 PM
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I am so happy my boys graduated high school before these tournaments were started, I do enjoy reading this stuff, can't believe some of the stuff I read and hear, its just crazy. Does anyone know exactly what the boat captain did ? Just curious.


Re: High School fish tournament fraud [Re: Legend LE-195] #13156242
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Originally Posted by Legend LE-195
Originally Posted by SteezMacQueen

How did they prove the 5 biggest fish weren’t combined from the two boats? Was an official present during the entire transportation?

No. It IS VERY different than a competitor hitching a ride in another boat with two separate unbiased officials watching over things. This, too me, kinda sounds like a convenient way to explain away an opportunity to cheat.


Never thought about that, in other instances you have a co-angler or marshall present to watch over things, I would be confident if the HS senario were to take place at other levels team, AAA, Tour, maybe even club level where money is involved the teams would be disqualified, you think Trip Wheldon would let this slide? I don't see this making something out of nothing considering the team involved had already been caught cheating once.



The team from Gainesville that received assistance getting to weigh-in HAS NOT cheated in any of our events. You really should know your facts before commenting.

By the way, your hatred for high school fishing is truly legendary. However, I would bet everything I have that if high school fishing was around back when you were in school, you would have been the first one at your school to sign up.


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Re: High School fish tournament fraud [Re: bassfinder78155] #13156279
05/16/19 04:39 PM
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The original topic of the post is certainly a valid thing to have on the forum. Unfortunately this thing as taken the same turn it always does. Everyone has a right to their opinion...Many in this thread that I strongly disagree with, and that is ok. However, those of you spreading pure unsubstantiated rumors are just plain sorry! No way around that.

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