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My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 02:53 AM
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Mudshark
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We bought it earlier this week. Its her Christmas gift. I got her other stuff, but she wanted a stove. The one we have is a slip in. Its old and the oven doesnt cook evenly. Its 29.75 inches wide. The cabinets are custom made and it fits perfectly. The new one is 29.875 inches wide. It isnt going to fit. I have been looking at band sanders since we bought it, but Im not sure I can remove enough wood to get the new one in. I spoke to my brother today, he asked about the size of the breaker. I never thought about that. I knew I had to install a new outlet because the old stove is hard wired in, the breaker isnt big enough, I bet the wiring isnt sized right either. Im kind of freaking out right now. This stove isnt going to fit and if it does, the breaker is going to trip if she turns on too many burners. I might burn down the kitchen in the next few days to hide the issue. The stove isnt coming in until after Christmas. She loves the new stove. It has induction burners and little fans in the oven. I cant bear to tell her it isnt going to happen. Now what? And yes, I bought some ear rings today, but she cant cook on them.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 03:10 AM
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With the ear rings she will look good being mad. You might not want to say that to her right away.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 03:11 AM
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Similar thing happened when we bought my mom a new stove. Have fun. By the way, it's not fun. Hire someone. Or just plan on cussing a lot.
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Re: My wifes new stove
[Re: Mudshark]
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12/22/18 03:12 AM
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I bet you can find one that fits, and has all the bells and whistles that one has. Have you tried Nebraska Furniture Mart? I hear they have everything, and are great to work with.
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Re: My wifes new stove
[Re: Mudshark]
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12/22/18 03:13 AM
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Dig out the pocket book .... call a carpenter AND an electrician! (of course, that is only 1/8" and should be easy to squeeze in)
I can assure you it will be cheaper in the long run than not getting her what she expects.
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Re: My wifes new stove
[Re: LoneStarSon]
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12/22/18 03:14 AM
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Similar thing happened when we bought my mom a new stove. Have fun. By the way, it's not fun. Hire someone. Or just plan on cussing a lot. I still have to cut the cabinets out to make the new one kind of sit there, the new stove is a stand alone unit, the one we have is a slide in. Im going to tear up the cabinets before I can know how much I have to tear up to try and out the new one in. I cant sleep at nights thinking of ways this will go wrong. I have a week.
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Re: My wifes new stove
[Re: Mudshark]
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12/22/18 03:21 AM
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I had something very similar. Stove top on base cabinet. I removed the built in and replaced with two small base units that are a drawer size wide with the oven in between. Ran a new circuit and installed an outlet. 6 AWG wire is some thick stuff. Installed a new breaker in the box.
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Re: My wifes new stove
[Re: Mudshark]
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12/22/18 03:56 AM
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What kind of stove is it?
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 03:58 AM
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What kind of stove is it? Its black with a smooth top. The old one is stainless. I hope that helps.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 04:00 AM
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All ya need is a bigger hammer and it will fit.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 04:10 AM
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What kind of stove is it? Its black with a smooth top. The old one is stainless. I hope that helps. electric? what brand?
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 04:14 AM
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What kind of stove is it? Its black with a smooth top. The old one is stainless. I hope that helps. electric? what brand? Electric, Whirlpool I think. 5 burner
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 04:17 AM
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Spreader clamp Or skillsaw, sawzall, and grinder.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 04:21 AM
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What kind of stove is it? Its black with a smooth top. The old one is stainless. I hope that helps. electric? what brand? Electric, Whirlpool I think. 5 burner You could burn a lot of food with that many burners.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 04:24 AM
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Spreader clamp Or skillsaw, sawzall, and grinder. The grinder is kind of what Im thinking. I will tuck my shirt in this time
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 04:25 AM
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I hope they are the dangling lightning bolt earrings from hastings, so rad
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 04:28 AM
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I'm glad you told this story. Now I realize how lucky I am, and that I don't really have any problems.
Enough of this idle chit-chat. This ain't no retirement home. EVERYONE! Get back to your oars. The Captain wants to waterski.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 04:32 AM
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I'm glad you told this story. Now I realize how lucky I am, and that I don't really have any problems. I'm glad you're perfect
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 04:39 AM
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Post pictures of current cabinets and old stove. Countertops need cutting also?
"Every man must live with the man that he makes of himself, and the better job he does at molding his character and improving his mind, the better company he will have." Pauline Whatley
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 04:43 AM
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Does it have Sabbath and Kosher mode? This is important when baking a ham.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 04:43 AM
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Post pictures of current cabinets and old stove. Countertops need cutting also? Will do tomorrow. I dont want her to know Im worried about it. She is sitting right over there........>
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 05:26 AM
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I'm glad you told this story. Now I realize how lucky I am, and that I don't really have any problems. I'm glad you're perfect Didn't mean to upset ya. It was a 'Whew moment', I'd always thought I was the only one who had a simple, straightforward looking project turn into a real headscratcher. In similar situations, I've had to put a line, or strip of tape to keep a straight edge to keep from wandering off and getting a unwanted taper.
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Enough of this idle chit-chat. This ain't no retirement home. EVERYONE! Get back to your oars. The Captain wants to waterski.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 06:42 AM
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Good luck - with enough Gorilla Glue you'll do fine . . . .
and she can't hear us sitting over there ----->
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 10:42 AM
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I hope they are the dangling lightning bolt earrings from hastings, so rad Those were so hot.
Team wolfs I had to perform. It took a minute to get it all in my mouth and another five to swallow it all.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 11:50 AM
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 12:20 PM
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Before you totally screw up the kitchen, just go buy her a new house that will accommodate the new stove.
Family is everything! Life is precious. We don’t have forever. We have now. This moment. We can choose to love our lives now.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 12:22 PM
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Before you totally screw up the kitchen, just go buy her a new house that will accommodate the new stove. this is solid advice
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 12:36 PM
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Before you totally screw up the kitchen, just go buy her a new house that will accommodate the new stove. this is solid advice Another option - Just hire me and Ratz. We could knock that kitchen out in 2-3 weeks and you'd still need the new house.
Family is everything! Life is precious. We don’t have forever. We have now. This moment. We can choose to love our lives now.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 01:25 PM
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Similar thing happened when we bought my mom a new stove. Have fun. By the way, it's not fun. Hire someone. Or just plan on cussing a lot. Went through almost exactly the same situation about 7 years ago Had to change the size of the housing and run all new wiring to the garage and install a new, separate breaker box for the new oven Oh, yeahhire someone or two peopleits a big job
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Re: My wifes new stove
[Re: Mudshark]
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12/22/18 01:31 PM
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Even if you find one that fits, you will most likely have to do new wiring and install a new breaker box
Finding one that fits in the existing space would save you about 30% of the work on the job
Running the electrical to the garage is a beating
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Re: My wifes new stove
[Re: Mudshark]
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12/22/18 02:00 PM
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We're only talking about .0625" per side too tight correct? OK now get a belt sander and grind off a .09375" (+.250" /-0) taper on the front edge of the offending cabinets so you'll have a little clearance at the front.
Next you're going to need some 2x4's to build yourself a tapered chute that will guide the stove into the hole. Get you some of that PAM cooking spray and spray down the whole sides front to back of the cabinets where the stove will go and also the sides of the stove.. You and all the kids and the stove get on the opposite side of the kitchen and shove that stove with a good running start into that hole. She'll go at least part way in. Take the 2 x 4 chute apart and use some of the boards and a sledge hammer to gently tap the stove on back into place.
Wait, what about the electric cord? Not to worry. Have that plug tied up on top to where you can get to it. Go down to the camper supply place and get one of those big honking 50 amp RV extension cords. You might have to cut the plugs off and just wire it up with wire nuts and electrical tape but that's OK. Run that cord back to the breaker box, cut the plug off and wire it into your new 50 amp breaker you'll put in.
Problem solved. Wife will be so happy to have her new stove running she won't hardly even complain much about the extension cord running across the kitchen. If you're skilful with duct tape you can secure it nice and straight under the upper cabinets where it will be mostly out of sight. Trust me, this will work.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 02:18 PM
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^^^sounds like a solid plan
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 02:35 PM
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We're only talking about .0625" per side too tight correct? OK now get a belt sander and grind off a .09375" (+.250" /-0) taper on the front edge of the offending cabinets so you'll have a little clearance at the front.
Next you're going to need some 2x4's to build yourself a tapered chute that will guide the stove into the hole. Get you some of that PAM cooking spray and spray down the whole sides front to back of the cabinets where the stove will go and also the sides of the stove.. You and all the kids and the stove get on the opposite side of the kitchen and shove that stove with a good running start into that hole. She'll go at least part way in. Take the 2 x 4 chute apart and use some of the boards and a sledge hammer to gently tap the stove on back into place.
Wait, what about the electric cord? Not to worry. Have that plug tied up on top to where you can get to it. Go down to the camper supply place and get one of those big honking 50 amp RV extension cords. You might have to cut the plugs off and just wire it up with wire nuts and electrical tape but that's OK. Run that cord back to the breaker box, cut the plug off and wire it into your new 50 amp breaker you'll put in.
Problem solved. Wife will be so happy to have her new stove running she won't hardly even complain much about the extension cord running across the kitchen. If you're skilful with duct tape you can secure it nice and straight under the upper cabinets where it will be mostly out of sight. Trust me, this will work.
you're mudsharks cousin, aren't you.
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Re: My wifes new stove
[Re: hopalong]
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12/22/18 02:45 PM
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Hey Hop, how the heck are you!?? We might be cousins for all I know but I will say great minds think alike. I personally am a fan of JB weld also. i'm sure he already knows about gorilla tape but that's overkill for this job.
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Re: My wifes new stove
[Re: Mudshark]
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12/22/18 03:03 PM
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Recently purchased a cooktop and the specs said it was about 0.1 inch larger than the cut out, but it slipped right in without a problem. Yours may work.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 03:11 PM
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We're only talking about .0625" per side too tight correct? OK now get a belt sander and grind off a .09375" (+.250" /-0) taper on the front edge of the offending cabinets so you'll have a little clearance at the front.
Next you're going to need some 2x4's to build yourself a tapered chute that will guide the stove into the hole. Get you some of that PAM cooking spray and spray down the whole sides front to back of the cabinets where the stove will go and also the sides of the stove.. You and all the kids and the stove get on the opposite side of the kitchen and shove that stove with a good running start into that hole. She'll go at least part way in. Take the 2 x 4 chute apart and use some of the boards and a sledge hammer to gently tap the stove on back into place.
Wait, what about the electric cord? Not to worry. Have that plug tied up on top to where you can get to it. Go down to the camper supply place and get one of those big honking 50 amp RV extension cords. You might have to cut the plugs off and just wire it up with wire nuts and electrical tape but that's OK. Run that cord back to the breaker box, cut the plug off and wire it into your new 50 amp breaker you'll put in.
Problem solved. Wife will be so happy to have her new stove running she won't hardly even complain much about the extension cord running across the kitchen. If you're skilful with duct tape you can secure it nice and straight under the upper cabinets where it will be mostly out of sight. Trust me, this will work.
Th RV extension cord is a great idea! Thanks!
Last edited by Mudshark; 12/22/18 03:12 PM.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 05:56 PM
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I think WD-40 outta do it, buy a couple of the economy size cans and use one for each side and dont forget to spray the floor too! Should slide in nice and easy, no cutting or sanding required.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/22/18 05:58 PM
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Hey Hop, how the heck are you!?? We might be cousins for all I know but I will say great minds think alike. I personally am a fan of JB weld also. i'm sure he already knows about gorilla tape but that's overkill for this job. doin good, merry christmas
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Re: My wifes new stove
[Re: Mudshark]
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12/22/18 06:39 PM
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Has anyone suggested taking a grinder to the sides of the oven, take a bit off each side, not like its visible after pushed in
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/23/18 12:48 AM
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50 amp. My breaker is 50 amp. Just have to add an outlet.....and grind off some wood.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/23/18 12:49 AM
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50 amp. My breaker is 50 amp. Just have to add an outlet.....and grind off some wood. Kinky
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/23/18 12:55 AM
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50 amp. My breaker is 50 amp. Just have to add an outlet.....and grind off some wood. Kinky
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/23/18 02:23 PM
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Might as well remodel the whole kitchen...lol all women want a new kitchen for Christmas...
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/23/18 03:38 PM
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Good luck Mud. My wife wanted a new oven just before Thanksgiving. Ended up: Bosch oven $2,500 (had to move outlet) Bosch microwave $900 (has to add outlet) Bosch dishwasher $1,200 New cabinets around oven $250 New tile backsplash (entire kitchen) $250
I did it all in 3 days and 13 Home Depot trips. Now put on your big girl pants and git r dun!
LET’S GO BRANDON!!!
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12/23/18 03:49 PM
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Good luck Mud. My wife wanted a new oven just before Thanksgiving. Ended up: Bosch oven $2,500 (had to move outlet) Bosch microwave $900 (has to add outlet) Bosch dishwasher $1,200 New cabinets around oven $250 New tile backsplash (entire kitchen) $250
I did it all in 3 days and 13 Home Depot trips. Now put on your big girl pants and git r dun! I already did the microwave, complete with adding new new outlet, did the fridge already as well as the dishwasher. Need to get this stove done, and finally the counter tops will be last.
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Re: My wifes new stove
[Re: Mudshark]
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12/23/18 07:17 PM
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I would fix the old stove.
Cast I have a short attention spa
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Re: My wifes new stove
[Re: Mudshark]
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12/24/18 01:33 AM
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My Dad straight up took a sawzall to their cabinets. I walked in and asked what he was doing. He said, Custom cabinetry.
Im guessing you dont have gas as an option?
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My Dad straight up took a sawzall to their cabinets. I walked in and asked what he was doing. He said, Custom cabinetry.
Im guessing you dont have gas as an option? Im thinking that is about what my install is going to look like. Makes my palms sweat a bit.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/24/18 02:57 AM
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If that is what she asked for. If not.............. uh oh.
And I know who "Jeff" is.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/24/18 04:37 AM
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We're only talking about .0625" per side too tight correct? OK now get a belt sander and grind off a .09375" (+.250" /-0) taper on the front edge of the offending cabinets so you'll have a little clearance at the front.
Next you're going to need some 2x4's to build yourself a tapered chute that will guide the stove into the hole. Get you some of that PAM cooking spray and spray down the whole sides front to back of the cabinets where the stove will go and also the sides of the stove.. You and all the kids and the stove get on the opposite side of the kitchen and shove that stove with a good running start into that hole. She'll go at least part way in. Take the 2 x 4 chute apart and use some of the boards and a sledge hammer to gently tap the stove on back into place.
Wait, what about the electric cord? Not to worry. Have that plug tied up on top to where you can get to it. Go down to the camper supply place and get one of those big honking 50 amp RV extension cords. You might have to cut the plugs off and just wire it up with wire nuts and electrical tape but that's OK. Run that cord back to the breaker box, cut the plug off and wire it into your new 50 amp breaker you'll put in.
Problem solved. Wife will be so happy to have her new stove running she won't hardly even complain much about the extension cord running across the kitchen. If you're skilful with duct tape you can secure it nice and straight under the upper cabinets where it will be mostly out of sight. Trust me, this will work.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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12/24/18 07:36 PM
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What kind of counter top do you have? That might be an issue but you can probably get a bit on a saw that will cut it.
I have an old Rockwell router that I used for trimming siding. You can easily find a bit that will take off 1/16 of an inch at a time. I don't think you need a couple 1/16th's taken off. We used to use the same type router, although it was pneumatic and it trimmed and put a round edge on laminates.
A little messy but you can just vacuum up the sawdust.
Can't help on the wire size or breaker but since its run on an interior wall, if the electrician can get to it I would not think it would be too complicated.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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01/11/19 12:42 PM
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The stove was due for delivery yesterday. They never showed. I finally got a call from Lowes and they said it got damaged during shipping. Its going to be another month before the replacement gets here. We logged on to just cancel the order and saw where they had placed the wrong one on order anyway. Maybe it wasnt meant to be?
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Re: My wifes new stove
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01/11/19 12:48 PM
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They did that with my daughters Refrigerator , but they delivered it, It was just the wrong one.. They looked at that one but was going to get a different one instead but I think it worked out for them..
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Re: My wifes new stove
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01/11/19 01:57 PM
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Re: My wifes new stove
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01/11/19 01:58 PM
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I would call and beach. At least get some discount over it. No reason you should have to wait that long because of their screw up. If they won't discount than I would cancel order and take business elsewhere.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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01/11/19 02:14 PM
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That happened to us at Homey depot last year. I canceled and went looking. Found Texas appliance in south ft worth. They have other stores and the price matched hd. Took it home, installed it myself and was done with that chit and went fishing. Sometimes we have to take charge and tell the wife and those dummies they try to do business with to just sit back and watch a pro get this done. Take control mud.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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01/11/19 02:48 PM
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Looks like you're off the hook and you can buy her one that fits now.
You are not a good or nice person.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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01/11/19 02:59 PM
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That happened to us at Homey depot last year. I canceled and went looking. Found Texas appliance in south ft worth. They have other stores and the price matched hd. Took it home, installed it myself and was done with that chit and went fishing. Sometimes we have to take charge and tell the wife and those dummies they try to do business with to just sit back and watch a pro get this done. Take control mud. Alpha moves only. You got this, Mud.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 04:12 AM
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It arrived! Finally we have a new stove! I have been really dreading this day. Tomorrow is D-day. After looking at it for a few months, I dont think its going to be an issue. My concerns are as follows:
1 - the supply feed is just three wires. Black, white and a ground. Im not going to run new line. Its going to be a three prong receptacle which isnt up to code. Im sure there are plenty of those out there so Im not that concerned.
2- the existing cut out still measures out about an 1/8 to slim for the new one to fit. I think I can sand that much down and make it fit.
3- I have to wire in a new outlet since the one we have is hard wired in. Shouldnt be a huge issue.
4- still have to knock out the kick plate and mount the original is sitting on.
5- mostly, I just dont want to do this.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 04:14 AM
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It arrived! Finally we have a new stove! I have been really dreading this day. Tomorrow is D-day. After looking at it for a few months, I dont think its going to be an issue. My concerns are as follows:
1 - the supply feed is just three wires. Black, white and a ground. Im not going to run new line. Its going to be a three prong receptacle which isnt up to code. Im sure there are plenty of those out there so Im not that concerned.
2- the existing cut out still measures out about an 1/8 to slim for the new one to fit. I think I can sand that much down and make it fit.
3- I have to wire in a new outlet since the one we have is hard wired in. Shouldnt be a huge issue.
4- still have to knock out the kick plate and mount the original is sitting on.
5- mostly, I just dont want to do this.
Add some more wires. That should code it up.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 04:25 AM
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It arrived! Finally we have a new stove! I have been really dreading this day. Tomorrow is D-day. After looking at it for a few months, I dont think its going to be an issue. My concerns are as follows:
1 - the supply feed is just three wires. Black, white and a ground. Im not going to run new line. Its going to be a three prong receptacle which isnt up to code. Im sure there are plenty of those out there so Im not that concerned.
2- the existing cut out still measures out about an 1/8 to slim for the new one to fit. I think I can sand that much down and make it fit.
3- I have to wire in a new outlet since the one we have is hard wired in. Shouldnt be a huge issue.
4- still have to knock out the kick plate and mount the original is sitting on.
5- mostly, I just dont want to do this.
Add some more wires. That should code it up. I need a red one. But Im not going to do it.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 04:32 AM
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Maybe try using a red sharpie on the white wire.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 04:34 AM
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Good luck, Mud. Im pulling for you to conquer this.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 04:41 AM
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Spring is getting closer and if you want to enjoy the great outdoors youd better get the honey do list done. Knock it out.
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Re: My wifes new stove
[Re: Mudshark]
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02/23/19 07:37 AM
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You have 2 hots and a ground. I think You can make that work and just make the control stuff for 120, light, etc, work just fine by tieing your fourth wire neutral into that ground. It should work fine but wont be current code which would only be an issue at selling or in case of a fire investigation. Personally that is how I would do it. I wonder if you could leave the 3 conductor romex in place and just snake a separate neutral from the neutral bar in panel to the new plug? Technically it should work but dont know if even that meets current code. I would just stick with whats already wired and make it work. All neutrals are bonded to ground in the panel so I cant imagine why it wouldnt function ok. They did it that way for years before the new 4 wire business came along. Im not an electrician though.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 01:13 PM
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God loves you just as much as anybody else!!
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 03:22 PM
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I would call an electrician would not want to have a fire just trying to hook up a stove then you would loose it all.. Good Luck!!
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 04:16 PM
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Youre not gonna have a fire. Making the hole bigger is your biggest problem. Youve got two hots180 degrees out and a neutral. Thats 220 all day long. Your stove probably has black, red, white, bare copper. Black and red go to your black and white. Bare and white go to your ground.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 04:31 PM
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Headed out to buy sand paper. It wont fit, but its off just a smidge.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 04:45 PM
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Im confused on the plug. Here is he wire coming out of the wall. Here is the plug The instruction on the plug say the white wire goes to the lower terminal. I thought hat is where the bare wire goes. Also, the outlet I bought says not grounded. Is that right?
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 04:49 PM
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. Whats the worst thing that can happen?[/quote]
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 06:05 PM
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Observe the screws in the connector. Two gold, one silver. This applies to all a/c plugs and connectors. The gold screws are the hots and the silver is always neutral. Black and white to the gold screws, bare copper to the silver screw.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 06:06 PM
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And turn the breaker off!
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 06:26 PM
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Make sure you understand the Spanish installation instructions. They may offer some workarounds and shortcuts.
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Re: My wifes new stove
[Re: Mudshark]
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02/23/19 06:45 PM
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So this is really about to happen?
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 08:02 PM
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I still cant get it to fit in the hole. Starting to get aggrevated. Got the grinder out now.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 08:08 PM
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I still cant get it to fit in the hole. Starting to get aggrevated. Got the grinder out now. You cant grind until it is in. Keep working at it.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 08:13 PM
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Still time for chili and beans tonight.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 08:21 PM
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We will be cleaning dust from this project for weeks.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 08:44 PM
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I think it looks good there. Might just wire it in where it is.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 09:21 PM
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Professional install there
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 09:30 PM
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I have so been anticipating the rest of this thread. Looking good so far Mud. I am pulling for you buddy. Nothing but good mojo coming at you.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 09:32 PM
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Is that a cracked tile in front of the stove?
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 09:44 PM
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Its in more than enough to commence some good grinding.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 09:52 PM
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Put crisco on the sides, then back off and get a running start,hit it dead center and that puppy will slide right in. Maybe.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 11:01 PM
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It may not be too late, but have you checked if that opening is perfectly square? You may be able to grind one area more to square it up.
Keep up the good fight, people are counting on you.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 11:16 PM
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I still have a section of the back splash to cut out, but for now, Im done. What a beating. We are burning off the new oven oil right now about to cook a frozen lasagna in it. Not going to lie, Im tired. The house is a wreck. Dust everywhere and it will probably keep settling for days. Just drank a Keystone but that will be the only. One of the kids has a dance tonight and I guess I should take him. It sits out a bit further than I want it, but at least for now, that is how its going to stay.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/23/19 11:18 PM
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Put crisco on the sides, then back off and get a running start,hit it dead center and that puppy will slide right in. Maybe. If those handles in front would come off, I would have put it on the dolly and rammed it home. Couldnt figure out how to remove them.
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02/23/19 11:32 PM
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Put crisco on the sides, then back off and get a running start,hit it dead center and that puppy will slide right in. Maybe. Lard. Always lard.
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02/24/19 12:14 AM
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Oskar will proud. Except having to breathe all that dust.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/24/19 02:23 AM
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Now that your almost done Mud, let's have a picture of that cabinet on the right. Looks like an island cabinet set from what I can see. Why didn't you just scoot that over the 1/8" - 1/4" over and cover any new gaps with a trim piece?
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The Led lights on the new stove are brighter than the microwave you should take it back and get 1 that matches
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Re: My wifes new stove
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I still have a section of the back splash to cut out, but for now, Im done. What a beating. We are burning off the new oven oil right now about to cook a frozen lasagna in it. Not going to lie, Im tired. The house is a wreck. Dust everywhere and it will probably keep settling for days. Just drank a Keystone but that will be the only. One of the kids has a dance tonight and I guess I should take him. It sits out a bit further than I want it, but at least for now, that is how its going to stay. A friend of mine had that stove. There's a recall and they ask anyone that has one to return it immediately.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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Now that your almost done Mud, let's have a picture of that cabinet on the right. Looks like an island cabinet set from what I can see. Why didn't you just scoot that over the 1/8" - 1/4" over and cover any new gaps with a trim piece? Its attached to more cabinets that go around the corner. Cant see that part in the picture.
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There, you fixed it! Well done.
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Re: My wifes new stove
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Re: My wifes new stove
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02/24/19 01:47 PM
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Re: My wifes new stove
[Re: Mudshark]
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02/24/19 08:21 PM
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Serious question for any, if that stove could go back an inch or two, would it bother you to leave it as is? Every single time I went in the kitchen it would bother me. Then it would start eating at me when I was driving/thinking, or reading posts on the OT...etc. Pretty soon it would be taking up so much mental space I would just have to go in there and set it back.
Anybody elses brain get ate up with it like that?
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Re: My wifes new stove
[Re: Sawhorse]
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02/24/19 09:24 PM
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Yep, would bother me...more importantly, it would bother the wife! Our refrigerator sticks out like that and has bothered me for 8 years now!
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Re: My wifes new stove
[Re: Mudshark]
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02/25/19 12:45 AM
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I think you could mount it and give it a few dry humps. It should slide right in.
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Re: My wifes new stove
[Re: Sawhorse]
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02/25/19 01:30 AM
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Serious question for any, if that stove could go back an inch or two, would it bother you to leave it as is? Every single time I went in the kitchen it would bother me. Then it would start eating at me when I was driving/thinking, or reading posts on the OT...etc. Pretty soon it would be taking up so much mental space I would just have to go in there and set it back.
Anybody elses brain get ate up with it like that? It is bugging me. By the time I got it to the pin tit was, I was beat. I just wanted it to be over. Getting the damn thing back out will be a beating now. Its wedged in there pretty good right now. I wish it had a tow hook on it. If I got it out, I think I could cut the last two inches off the back of the cabinet and get it the rest of the way in there. We getting new counter tops soon, so I might just leave it there for a while.
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Re: My wifes new stove
[Re: Mudshark]
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02/25/19 01:57 AM
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Serious question for any, if that stove could go back an inch or two, would it bother you to leave it as is? Every single time I went in the kitchen it would bother me. Then it would start eating at me when I was driving/thinking, or reading posts on the OT...etc. Pretty soon it would be taking up so much mental space I would just have to go in there and set it back.
Anybody elses brain get ate up with it like that? It is bugging me. By the time I got it to the pin tit was, I was beat. I just wanted it to be over. Getting the damn thing back out will be a beating now. Its wedged in there pretty good right now. I wish it had a tow hook on it. If I got it out, I think I could cut the last two inches off the back of the cabinet and get it the rest of the way in there. We getting new counter tops soon, so I might just leave it there for a while. Well heres how the rest of the story usually goes for me. So it eats at me until I finally give in. I go and try to set it back. In the process of doing that, I tear the stove up...or something else. Then the whole shebang is either out of commission for a while OR the damage I cause bugs me more than the original inch of space ever would have bugged me in the first place. My entire life-sphere is littered with stuff that is either inoperable or is rigged to be in place, yet held together with duct tape, mangled coat hangers, chewing gum and such...and its all eating away at my psyche. Meanwhile, I got S4B posts to deal with...
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Re: My wifes new stove
[Re: Sawhorse]
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02/25/19 02:38 AM
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Serious question for any, if that stove could go back an inch or two, would it bother you to leave it as is? Every single time I went in the kitchen it would bother me. Then it would start eating at me when I was driving/thinking, or reading posts on the OT...etc. Pretty soon it would be taking up so much mental space I would just have to go in there and set it back.
Anybody elses brain get ate up with it like that? It is bugging me. By the time I got it to the pin tit was, I was beat. I just wanted it to be over. Getting the damn thing back out will be a beating now. Its wedged in there pretty good right now. I wish it had a tow hook on it. If I got it out, I think I could cut the last two inches off the back of the cabinet and get it the rest of the way in there. We getting new counter tops soon, so I might just leave it there for a while. Well heres how the rest of the story usually goes for me. So it eats at me until I finally give in. I go and try to set it back. In the process of doing that, I tear the stove up...or something else. Then the whole shebang is either out of commission for a while OR the damage I cause bugs me more than the original inch of space ever would have bugged me in the first place. My entire life-sphere is littered with stuff that is either inoperable or is rigged to be in place, yet held together with duct tape, mangled coat hangers, chewing gum and such...and its all eating away at my psyche. Meanwhile, I got S4B posts to deal with... You have just described pretty much my entire life to a T. Once in a blue moon, I will go out of chatacter and somehow make myself stop and say Good Enough. One time I wasted about 7 pcs of 20 long steel hydraulic tubing trying to get a complicated bend to turn out like I wanted. 35 off the floor no one but me would have ever even noticed but I wanted that damn tubing to look perfectly aligned and matching the pattern. I was determined to make that happen and cost myself considerable time and $ but by gawd I was determined to get it done. Some form of insanity I think. Mud, I am super proud of your fine work on that stove project. You done good!
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