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Re: Opinions: Best Deep Cycle Marine Battery ? [Re: Allison1] #12854481 08/05/18 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted By: Allison1
I may never run these batteries down. I am 64 and don't tournament fish so I don't tire batteries as much as I used to.

I bought a couple batteries that came out of a Honda FIT(bought used on ebay). The batteries are Toshiba SCIB cells assembled in series to make a 68 volt battery. 24 20ah cells in each battery. I am using two of these to make batteries for my boat. Two for a 28 volt trolling setup and one for a 14 volt starter battery.
They are very long lasting with some good specs compared to anything on the market.
Lithium marine battery's that are out on the market are LifePo4's. They are good for about 2000 cycles. Mine are good for ten times that and the specs I've read are that after 15000 cycles they still retain more than 80 percent of their capacity. I should never need another battery. The trolling batteries should be around 55ah and the starter should be 37ah.

They cost 390 per car battery so 780 plus the cutting and wiring plus putting them in a waterproof box will put them well under 900 dollars finished.
A big plus? All together they weigh around 75 pounds.

They will be the best if I never need another battery. Not so much if they go down but you roll the dice.



Did the recycler you bought them from say that would work? I was going to go the same way and was told by the large ebay seller that they would not work as I thought.

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Re: Opinions: Best Deep Cycle Marine Battery ? [Re: go_cats_go] #12854563 08/05/18 10:58 PM
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I have got one hurt battery in my 36 V setup, the other two test and charge fine. The batteries just 2.5 years old. What's the harm in replacing one battery and not all three?

Re: Opinions: Best Deep Cycle Marine Battery ? [Re: go_cats_go] #12854570 08/05/18 11:11 PM
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Ive been using everstarts from Walmart and have been getting 3 years out of every one. My starting battery actually went out on me yesterday while I was out on the lake and had to go get another one

Re: Opinions: Best Deep Cycle Marine Battery ? [Re: go_cats_go] #12854621 08/05/18 11:49 PM
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Optima in mine and they are still working strong after three and half years. Expensive-yes but I've had other batteries and they all seem to poop out after the two year period. Blue top as Steez says.

Re: Opinions: Best Deep Cycle Marine Battery ? [Re: Jeff From Iowa] #12854789 08/06/18 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted By: Jeff From Iowa
Originally Posted By: Allison1
I may never run these batteries down. I am 64 and don't tournament fish so I don't tire batteries as much as I used to.

I bought a couple batteries that came out of a Honda FIT(bought used on ebay). The batteries are Toshiba SCIB cells assembled in series to make a 68 volt battery. 24 20ah cells in each battery. I am using two of these to make batteries for my boat. Two for a 28 volt trolling setup and one for a 14 volt starter battery.
They are very long lasting with some good specs compared to anything on the market.
Lithium marine battery's that are out on the market are LifePo4's. They are good for about 2000 cycles. Mine are good for ten times that and the specs I've read are that after 15000 cycles they still retain more than 80 percent of their capacity. I should never need another battery. The trolling batteries should be around 55ah and the starter should be 37ah.

They cost 390 per car battery so 780 plus the cutting and wiring plus putting them in a waterproof box will put them well under 900 dollars finished.
A big plus? All together they weigh around 75 pounds.

They will be the best if I never need another battery. Not so much if they go down but you roll the dice.



Did the recycler you bought them from say that would work? I was going to go the same way and was told by the large ebay seller that they would not work as I thought.


I'll let you know how they perform as soon as I get some experience with them.
A friend who bought 4 of the same batteries and wired them up replaced his 8 battery setup (4 31agm and 4 24agm) in his offshore boat. He has a big stereo for sand bar fun and said the new batteries hold up better than his big Sears batteries. The voltage drop on the batteries with his agm's were in the low 11 volts at the end of the day while his new battery bank dropped to 12.9 volts. Saved 400 pounds of weight. They are still new to him.
They use these in GEM and golf Carts so I'm guessing they are capable although their designed purpose was for long term storage for large computer systems and solar banks. They are designed specifically to be discharged fully and maintain their capacity.



Re: Opinions: Best Deep Cycle Marine Battery ? [Re: Allison1] #12854796 08/06/18 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted By: Allison1
Originally Posted By: Jeff From Iowa
Originally Posted By: Allison1
I may never run these batteries down. I am 64 and don't tournament fish so I don't tire batteries as much as I used to.

I bought a couple batteries that came out of a Honda FIT(bought used on ebay). The batteries are Toshiba SCIB cells assembled in series to make a 68 volt battery. 24 20ah cells in each battery. I am using two of these to make batteries for my boat. Two for a 28 volt trolling setup and one for a 14 volt starter battery.
They are very long lasting with some good specs compared to anything on the market.
Lithium marine battery's that are out on the market are LifePo4's. They are good for about 2000 cycles. Mine are good for ten times that and the specs I've read are that after 15000 cycles they still retain more than 80 percent of their capacity. I should never need another battery. The trolling batteries should be around 55ah and the starter should be 37ah.

They cost 390 per car battery so 780 plus the cutting and wiring plus putting them in a waterproof box will put them well under 900 dollars finished.
A big plus? All together they weigh around 75 pounds.

They will be the best if I never need another battery. Not so much if they go down but you roll the dice.



Did the recycler you bought them from say that would work? I was going to go the same way and was told by the large ebay seller that they would not work as I thought.


I'll let you know how they perform as soon as I get some experience with them.
A friend who bought 4 of the same batteries and wired them up replaced his 8 battery setup (4 31agm and 4 24agm) in his offshore boat. He has a big stereo for sand bar fun and said the new batteries hold up better than his big Sears batteries. The voltage drop on the batteries with his agm's were in the low 11 volts at the end of the day while his new battery bank dropped to 12.9 volts. Saved 400 pounds of weight. They are still new to him.
They use these in GEM and golf Carts so I'm guessing they are capable although their designed purpose was for long term storage for large computer systems and solar banks. They are designed specifically to be discharged fully and maintain their capacity.



Interesting, can you post a link to the auction you bought? Being fully discharged and maintain capacity is the issue the recycler told me would ruin all the electric car auto battery cells he deals with.

Re: Opinions: Best Deep Cycle Marine Battery ? [Re: go_cats_go] #12855128 08/06/18 03:39 PM
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Just had the same issue - I finally went with Duracell AGM 31's from Batteries Plus Bulbs - I've had more expensive AGM for a cranking battery that only lasted 2.5 years - compared them to the AGM 31 at Sams - different model numbers but couldn't find out what the difference meant but since I didn't have a Sams membership it came to $195 apiece with an 18 month replacement warranty - Batteries and Bulbs were $219 apiece (includes a 10% discount for ordering online but picked up at store) and had a 30 month replacement warranty so for that difference I liked the additional warranty.

Re: Opinions: Best Deep Cycle Marine Battery ? [Re: go_cats_go] #12855152 08/06/18 04:10 PM
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East Penn Manufacturing makes Deka and some other labels that are common. They have a distribution center in Carrollton. They also sell to the public if you go there. Sometimes though you can get them cheaper at the big stores because of their buying power. If youre close though its worth checking out. I got my last TM batteries there. I went with maintenance free over AGM, but Ill never have regular lead acid again.

Re: Opinions: Best Deep Cycle Marine Battery ? [Re: go_cats_go] #12855348 08/06/18 06:50 PM
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"Maintenance free" is the same thing as lead acid. The water caps are a little harder to remove ....that's all.


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Re: Opinions: Best Deep Cycle Marine Battery ? [Re: SteezMacQueen] #12855433 08/06/18 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted By: SteezMacQueen
"Maintenance free" is the same thing as lead acid. The water caps are a little harder to remove ....that's all.


Not exactly true. Maintenance free do not require water nearly as often. Vented lead acid are more likely run dry if not monitored. I had it happen on an old boat and it can be dangerous.

Re: Opinions: Best Deep Cycle Marine Battery ? [Re: go_cats_go] #12855634 08/06/18 10:53 PM
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We use Trojan batteries in our commercial floor care machines. The ride-on floor scrubbers run continuous for hours at a time. They get charged every night. I wouldn't have anything else in my boat.


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Re: Opinions: Best Deep Cycle Marine Battery ? [Re: go_cats_go] #12855678 08/06/18 11:28 PM
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Don't confuse "Marine" or Dual Purpose" with deep cycle. The plates are a little bit larger than auto batteries and will suffice for running lights and a stereo, but won't hold up to the deep discharges of a trolling motor If it doesn't say Deep Cycle on the case it's not. Walmart batteries are not deep cycle.


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Re: Opinions: Best Deep Cycle Marine Battery ? [Re: SteezMacQueen] #12855692 08/06/18 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted By: SteezMacQueen
He said "best". Not "bang for the buck".

Optima blue top group 31. The best I've ever had.

Walmart......yep! It's a battery for folks that don't know batteries.


So you're the expert?

Optima blue top group 31 is a 75AH battery. Meh. I get 107AH out of my 27DC wet cell Wally World batteries.


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Re: Opinions: Best Deep Cycle Marine Battery ? [Re: Bob Landry] #12855698 08/06/18 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted By: Bob Landry
Don't confuse "Marine" or Dual Purpose" with deep cycle. The plates are a little bit larger than auto batteries and will suffice for running lights and a stereo, but won't hold up to the deep discharges of a trolling motor If it doesn't say Deep Cycle on the case it's not. Walmart batteries are not deep cycle.


Mine are Walmart battery's and may not be deep cycle but they are 3 yrs. old and run my Ultrex ALL DAY LONG. I'm good with that. thumb


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Re: Opinions: Best Deep Cycle Marine Battery ? [Re: Bandit 53] #12855748 08/07/18 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted By: Bandit 53
The Best? In my opinion, the best would be either Northstar or Odyssey. Both are $$$ AGM batteries, but have lasting power and long life. My last set of Northstar batteries were 6 years old and still running strong when I traded my boat. New boat has 3 group 27m Northstar, so I really believe in them. I have heard a lot of good things about the Duracell 31 AGM (made by Deka) sold by Sam's for about $180, but don't have any personal experience.


These are the best. Northstar and Oddyssey.

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