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Legal Question #12824431
07/11/18 07:12 PM
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Me and a few friends are having a legal debate. The question came up about having to register a cone or kayak if you put a trolling motor on it. The state says you do have to register it and pay the annual registration fees. My question comes down to the means of attachment. If the trolling motor isn’t physically attached by bolting it to the vessel and is clamped “TM temporarily affixed”, would it then need to be registered? Wouldn’t this then make it an otherwise exempted vessel like a cone or kayak?


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Re: Legal Question [Re: Bassscout] #12824435
07/11/18 07:14 PM
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Exempted Vessels:

USCG Documented vessels are exempt from titling with the State.
Non-motorized canoes, kayaks, punts, rowboats, or rubber rafts (regardless of length) when paddled, poled, or oared and sailboats under 14 feet in length when windblown. Adding an outboard or trolling motor to one of these types requires titling and registration.

Doesn't matter how you attach it. If it's motorized, it must be registered in Texas.


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Re: Legal Question [Re: Bassscout] #12824436
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This all came up because of a pretty cool vessel I found for fishing some skinny water.

https://www.ultraskiff.com/contact.html

I am curious if this would require a state registration.


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Re: Legal Question [Re: Bassscout] #12824440
07/11/18 07:17 PM
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"Things turn out best for those who make the best of the way things turn out" - Zachary Troy Schrah - a young man with vision far beyond his years.
Re: Legal Question [Re: Bassscout] #12824441
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Originally Posted By: Bassscout
This all came up because of a pretty cool vessel I found for fishing some skinny water.

https://www.ultraskiff.com/contact.html

I am curious if this would require a state registration.


The one in the photo would definitely require registration in Texas since it has a trolling motor.


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Re: Legal Question [Re: Bassscout] #12824446
07/11/18 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted By: Bassscout
This all came up because of a pretty cool vessel I found for fishing some skinny water.

https://www.ultraskiff.com/contact.html

I am curious if this would require a state registration.


A good friend of mine has one of those for his large pond on his ranch. It's shocking stable and I am a little larger than the average fella.


Re: Legal Question [Re: Bassscout] #12824461
07/11/18 07:31 PM
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But are you adding a trolling motor? Or temporarily affixing? I just think it silly to have to register something that doesn’t have a title or VIN number and have to pay fees annually for something as cheap as a canoe or kayak.


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Re: Legal Question [Re: Bassscout] #12824464
07/11/18 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted By: Bassscout
But are you adding a trolling motor? Or temporarily affixing?


Doesn't matter. The law is very clear.

"Adding an outboard or trolling motor to one of these types requires titling and registration."


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Re: Legal Question [Re: Bassscout] #12824469
07/11/18 07:38 PM
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If you'd like to hear it from "the man", call your local TPWD office and ask them.


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Re: Legal Question [Re: Bassscout] #12824477
07/11/18 07:44 PM
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Once you put a motor on it, regardless of how it is attached, it has to be registered. You can paddle your kayak around all day with the trolling motor on the bank, the second you put the motor on it, the kayak better have stickers.

Re: Legal Question [Re: Bassscout] #12824493
07/11/18 07:53 PM
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Or don’t and take your chances. I’ll bet if you tell the GW your feeling about it he will let you slide roflmao

Re: Legal Question [Re: Bassscout] #12824501
07/11/18 07:57 PM
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If you are in public water and it has a motor on it temporary or otherwise, you have to register it and comply with things like throw cushions and whistles etc... Fished public water for many years from a two man boat with a trolling motor that I took off after every trip.


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Re: Legal Question [Re: Bassscout] #12824506
07/11/18 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted By: Bassscout
Me and a few friends are having a legal debate. The question came up about having to register a cone or kayak if you put a trolling motor on it.


Apparently your friends are right. There is nothing to debate, the law is the law. Attachment methods don’t matter (duck tape it if you want). But if you put a motor on an inflatable pool toy and put it on public water it has to be registered!


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Re: Legal Question [Re: Bassscout] #12824542
07/11/18 08:23 PM
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What if you hold the trolling motor??

Re: Legal Question [Re: scott123456789] #12824552
07/11/18 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted By: scott123456789
What if you hold the trolling motor??

Only Bill Dance does that in his bloopers

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