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Re: Right of Way vs. Right to fish??? I have a question. [Re: Dan90210 ☮] #12700169 04/02/18 10:38 PM
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I fish Ladybird Lake in downtown Austin out of my kayak. It's home to races, practices, and timed trials for rowing crews. It also gets a fair amount of kayak and bass boat (trolling motor only) pressure. Since the lake is long and narrow, it gets crowded. No one owns the water, but the way it should work is the fishermen get 10-15 yards of water toward each bank, and the rowing crews take the middle. There are some obvious things that shouldn't be done, like anchoring up in the middle of a bridge span. The rowing crews are quite vocal about alerting kayaks, canoes, and paddleboarders that they're underway and to stay clear of their (imaginary) lanes. The problem manifests itself mostly at dawn, in low light conditions when the recreational kayaks, canoes, and paddleboarders are off the water. The rowers like to go three and four wide at such times, and that makes the edges very crowded, especially as that's the best time for fishing and when you're focused on fish, it's hard to stay focused on not being broadsided by a rowing vessel. Somehow, it all works out. I've had lots of close calls and near misses. It helps to have your head on a swivel and a whistle handy. Sometimes they simply are so focused on their rhythm that they don't watch where they're going. I've seen some epic collisions - one that took a chunk out of a bassboat's polycoat and dumped several rowers. It wasn't a happy scene. Mostly, though, both sides watch out for each other. Kayaks are way more nimble and should endeavor to clear out of the rower's way, but the rowers also should be aware that they can't expect to take up the entire width of the BOW.

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Re: Right of Way vs. Right to fish??? I have a question. [Re: John175☮] #12700232 04/02/18 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted By: John175®
Knowing that lake if you make an issue of it they will simply ban kayaks.


So how many times have you kayak fished the White Rock or Bachman?

I mean, you know it and all.

Re: Right of Way vs. Right to fish??? I have a question. [Re: SuperSpookJr] #12700237 04/02/18 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted By: SuperSpookJr
I fish Ladybird Lake in downtown Austin out of my kayak. It's home to races, practices, and timed trials for rowing crews. It also gets a fair amount of kayak and bass boat (trolling motor only) pressure. Since the lake is long and narrow, it gets crowded. No one owns the water, but the way it should work is the fishermen get 10-15 yards of water toward each bank, and the rowing crews take the middle. There are some obvious things that shouldn't be done, like anchoring up in the middle of a bridge span. The rowing crews are quite vocal about alerting kayaks, canoes, and paddleboarders that they're underway and to stay clear of their (imaginary) lanes. The problem manifests itself mostly at dawn, in low light conditions when the recreational kayaks, canoes, and paddleboarders are off the water. The rowers like to go three and four wide at such times, and that makes the edges very crowded, especially as that's the best time for fishing and when you're focused on fish, it's hard to stay focused on not being broadsided by a rowing vessel. Somehow, it all works out. I've had lots of close calls and near misses. It helps to have your head on a swivel and a whistle handy. Sometimes they simply are so focused on their rhythm that they don't watch where they're going. I've seen some epic collisions - one that took a chunk out of a bassboat's polycoat and dumped several rowers. It wasn't a happy scene. Mostly, though, both sides watch out for each other. Kayaks are way more nimble and should endeavor to clear out of the rower's way, but the rowers also should be aware that they can't expect to take up the entire width of the BOW.


Thanks thats good info.

Its hard to tell from distance their exact line or path. One time I tried to get out of their way and only moved into their path. One time I held steady and they came right into me.

And a Jackson Big Rig is not super nimble or fast ha ha.

Re: Right of Way vs. Right to fish??? I have a question. [Re: Dan90210 ☮] #12700527 04/03/18 02:39 AM
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But they have 20 oars to a kayakers one oar, I would say the 20 oar boat is more under power than a single guy paddling

Re: Right of Way vs. Right to fish??? I have a question. [Re: CCTX] #12700550 04/03/18 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted By: collincountytx
I believe he is thinking about anchoring on a spot

I experienced this on Bachman. Anchored off one of the two good points on the lake
The rowers row with their backs facing the direction they are heading
Blew my whistle loudly multiple times as they approached and they just barely adjusted their path in time, just grazed my kayak. Could have been a bad outcome (they don’t wear or carry floatation on board)


you can walk across bachman lol


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Re: Right of Way vs. Right to fish??? I have a question. [Re: Dan90210 ☮] #12700650 04/03/18 05:11 AM
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I yaked for years and still have my Gen 1 Hobie Mirage Drive (ya thats how old I am) and if not for a bad back I would more. I boated more fish from my yak than a boat. But you have to play it safe. I never anchored close to a boat lane but make no mistake if some jack wagon tried treading my water in a yak I let it be known back off. And if he was acting crazing with my wife in her yak he better be ready to throw dowm.

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Re: Right of Way vs. Right to fish??? I have a question. [Re: Dan90210 ☮] #12700722 04/03/18 11:41 AM
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Not anchoring in or near any boat lanes
They usually just go back and forth in the middle

With my experience, sometimes they decide to go around the perimeter (maybe if they have some beginners in the row boat ?)


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Originally Posted By: collincountytx
Not anchoring in or near any boat lanes
They usually just go back and forth in the middle

With my experience, sometimes they decide to go around the perimeter (maybe if they have some beginners in the row boat ?)


I went to the rowing clubs website they have maps of the "trails" they are to follow on WRL. The perimeter trail goes around the lake about 20 yards offshore in a counter clockwise direction.

Then there are 3 "straightaway" lanes for shorter bursts of speed or for racing.

You can see their map here http://www.whiterockrowing.org/water-safety Go to the bottom of the page and download the PDF.

Re: Right of Way vs. Right to fish??? I have a question. [Re: Dan90210 ☮] #12700768 04/03/18 12:29 PM
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Re: Right of Way vs. Right to fish??? I have a question. [Re: Dan90210 ☮] #12700783 04/03/18 12:38 PM
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I didn't read all the responses, I'm sure somebody had the right answer. Since you asked the question, I will add that a Chapman's Manual is a great book.

Re: Right of Way vs. Right to fish??? I have a question. [Re: Dan90210 ☮] #12701111 04/03/18 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted By: Dan90210 ☮
Originally Posted By: John175®
Knowing that lake if you make an issue of it they will simply ban kayaks.


So how many times have you kayak fished the White Rock or Bachman?

I mean, you know it and all.


Aggressive today Dan?

That lake will make rules to defend the rowers and sailboats.

In both cases your are the more mobile craft on the water.

Don't think so? Push the issue. BTW...I own a boat. Don't need a kayak.


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Re: Right of Way vs. Right to fish??? I have a question. [Re: John175☮] #12741666 05/03/18 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted By: John175®
Knowing that lake if you make an issue of it they will simply ban kayaks.


yep

Re: Right of Way vs. Right to fish??? I have a question. [Re: Dan90210 ☮] #12742472 05/04/18 01:33 AM
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general navigational rule state

Non-powered craft including sailboats, canoes, paddleboats, sailboards and racing shells generally have the right-of-way over power-driven pleasure craft.
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Power boat - (trolling motor is a powered boat). I asked GW.

Re: Right of Way vs. Right to fish??? I have a question. [Re: Bass Buster1] #12742487 05/04/18 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted By: Bass Buster1
Or...since you are in a very mobile kayak you could just move for a second, let them pass, and go back to fishing.


^^^

i don't know the true legal answer, but don't be a jack-azz.
how much could rowers really interfere with fishing?
between mem day and labor day we all have to deal with rec boaters, its just part of it.

Re: Right of Way vs. Right to fish??? I have a question. [Re: Dan90210 ☮] #12742498 05/04/18 01:49 AM
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