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Electronics Advice #12684728
03/22/18 07:10 PM
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Hello,

I need some help. I recently purchased my first ever new boat. A 2018 Stingray 206 Center Console. I failed to do enough research on electronics. I upgraded the trolling motor to a Minn Kota Riptide Ulterra 112. I was assuming that the I-Pilot Link came standard. WRONG. A Humminbird Helix 10 came with it on the dash. I assumed that this unit would have down or side imaging on it. IT DOES NOT.

1. I was wondering if I could just install a different transducer to give it down or side imaging?

Next, I plan on installing another Helix 10 up front.

2. Which would you recommend down or side imaging on this unit?

I had planned to install 360 imaging on the dash unit until several people told me not to waste my money on it as it is very difficult to read unless you are an airline pilot.

3. Anyone have good results with 360 imaging?

4. Lastly, is the I-Pilot Link worth the investment?


Last edited by sfox6173; 03/22/18 08:33 PM.
Re: Electronics Advice [Re: sfox6173] #12684985
03/22/18 09:31 PM
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I'll answer #3. Don't waste your money. Side image is much better IMHO.


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Re: Electronics Advice [Re: sfox6173] #12685165
03/23/18 12:08 AM
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1. For optimum results, sell the Helix 10; put a Helix 7 or 10 up front with DI/GPS and a Helix 10 SI/GPS on the console. If that's not in the budget, move the Helix 10 to the bow and install Helix 10 SI/GPS on the console.

2. SI for the console. 360 is useful on the bow once you learn to read it. I don't see 360 being useful on the console. Needs to be up front so you're over the structure you're fishing.

3.Once reading the image is mastered, it is useful. But that takes plenty of time using it. I have fished with someone using 360 who could read it like SI, and say exactly how many fish were on a tree and at what depth.

4. Don't have the link. I just use the controller that came with the unit.

Just my 2cents and I'm far from an expert on electronics.

Since several mfgs started selling boats with sonar units installed, never understood why they would install the cheapest unit available. Sure, it makes the boat pkg price cheaper, but anyone who knows electronics knows they are paying for almost useless equipment. Need to have the option to upgrade units if they are included.

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Re: Electronics Advice [Re: Ken Gaby] #12685191
03/23/18 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted By: Ken Gaby
1. For optimum results, sell the Helix 10; put a Helix 7 or 10 up front with DI/GPS and a Helix 10 SI/GPS on the console. If that's not in the budget, move the Helix 10 to the bow and install Helix 10 SI/GPS on the console.

2. SI for the console. 360 is useful on the bow once you learn to read it. I don't see 360 being useful on the console. Needs to be up front so you're over the structure you're fishing.

3.Once reading the image is mastered, it is useful. But that takes plenty of time using it. I have fished with someone using 360 who could read it like SI, and say exactly how many fish were on a tree and at what depth.

4. Don't have the link. I just use the controller that came with the unit.

Just my 2cents and I'm far from an expert on electronics.

Since several mfgs started selling boats with sonar units installed, never understood why they would install the cheapest unit available. Sure, it makes the boat pkg price cheaper, but anyone who knows electronics knows they are paying for almost useless equipment. Need to have the option to upgrade units if the are included.


Agree will all of the above. Donít rely on the Helix down imaging on the SI unit to be as good as a true standalone down image unit. The DI on Helix is a composite of the 2 (left and right) side images. Itís just ďok,Ē but my Lowrance DI is much clearer and more precise because itís using a true down image transducer.

Iíd put a sonar/DI/GPS unit up front and Helix 10 SI GPS on the console. Honestly, I still use a grayscale sonar only unit up front. All I need to know is that Iím over the pile. If Iíve already put the trolling motor down, that means Iíve seen enough at the console to make me stop, and all I need to do is put the trolling motor on top of it.

If you get an Xi5, you can stand at the back of the boat like me and look at all three units at once! grin Iíve got a transducer on all 3 corners of the boat!


Re: Electronics Advice [Re: sfox6173] #12685458
03/23/18 02:52 AM
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I have Si/Di on the console...used primarily for side scanning with the Big motor running..

I have Si/Di on the bow...just added 360, got to learn to dial it in and use it...but Then, I wanted it, as I fish a lot of shallow water, that I donít want to drive through to figure out whatís going on...ipilot is wonderful, especially with the wireless troller...donít have the link, I have my command center up front...and itís much simpler that way...in fact, to eliminate power concerns, interference issues, etc., I also added a separate battery up front, ran separate wires to a new fuse block, even got a genius one bank charger.for the front...hope this thought process helps...

Re: Electronics Advice [Re: sfox6173] #12685503
03/23/18 03:39 AM
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Ooops garmin put a new box out high freq.

Re: Electronics Advice [Re: Jacob] #12686069
03/23/18 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted By: Jacob
Originally Posted By: Ken Gaby
1. For optimum results, sell the Helix 10; put a Helix 7 or 10 up front with DI/GPS and a Helix 10 SI/GPS on the console. If that's not in the budget, move the Helix 10 to the bow and install Helix 10 SI/GPS on the console.

2. SI for the console. 360 is useful on the bow once you learn to read it. I don't see 360 being useful on the console. Needs to be up front so you're over the structure you're fishing.

3.Once reading the image is mastered, it is useful. But that takes plenty of time using it. I have fished with someone using 360 who could read it like SI, and say exactly how many fish were on a tree and at what depth.

4. Don't have the link. I just use the controller that came with the unit.

Just my 2cents and I'm far from an expert on electronics.

Since several mfgs started selling boats with sonar units installed, never understood why they would install the cheapest unit available. Sure, it makes the boat pkg price cheaper, but anyone who knows electronics knows they are paying for almost useless equipment. Need to have the option to upgrade units if the are included.


Agree will all of the above. Donít rely on the Helix down imaging on the SI unit to be as good as a true standalone down image unit. The DI on Helix is a composite of the 2 (left and right) side images. Itís just ďok,Ē but my Lowrance DI is much clearer and more precise because itís using a true down image transducer.

Iíd put a sonar/DI/GPS unit up front and Helix 10 SI GPS on the console. Honestly, I still use a grayscale sonar only unit up front. All I need to know is that Iím over the pile. If Iíve already put the trolling motor down, that means Iíve seen enough at the console to make me stop, and all I need to do is put the trolling motor on top of it.

If you get an Xi5, you can stand at the back of the boat like me and look at all three units at once! grin Iíve got a transducer on all 3 corners of the boat!



That is interesting. I had no idea that DI only units had superior down imaging performance. I currently have a Humminbird 999 SI on the console. I was planning on moving that unit to the bow and purchasing a new Helix g2n SI for the console. Maybe I should rethink that plan. I imagine I will be using DI most of the time at the bow anyway.

Re: Electronics Advice [Re: sfox6173] #12686100
03/23/18 04:53 PM
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The new helix mega units will have the all in one transducer which mean a dedicated di/si/2d circuits. No more computer generated composite di. If you get a helix mega di unit you can get the new low q chirp transducer with it. It will provide full spectrum high frequency chirp, more or less a true chirp 2d transducer but it will still provide mega di also

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Re: Electronics Advice [Re: sfox6173] #12686194
03/23/18 06:03 PM
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Keep your helix 10 sonar and buy a helix with SI. Network the units together and then you can have that 2d unit receiving di and SI so screens from your side unit. You only need one SI on the boat with helix. If you do go to the mega unit, then you won't be able to do that I believe.

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Originally Posted By: Bobby Milam
Keep your helix 10 sonar and buy a helix with SI. Network the units together and then you can have that 2d unit receiving di and SI so screens from your side unit. You only need one SI on the boat with helix. If you do go to the mega unit, then you won't be able to do that I believe.


Yes you can, just can't share the MEGA frequency to a first generation unit or share sonar with CHIRP turned on with a first generation unit. Basically you can share 83/200/455/800 kHz.

If you get both first generation units in the Helix 10 version you can share everything except mapping.


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Re: Electronics Advice [Re: Ken Gaby] #12686275
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Originally Posted By: Ken Gaby
Since several mfgs started selling boats with sonar units installed, never understood why they would install the cheapest unit available. Sure, it makes the boat pkg price cheaper, but anyone who knows electronics knows they are paying for almost useless equipment. Need to have the option to upgrade units if they are included.


Ken, spot on! Same with TMs.


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