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What effects are zebra mussels and silver carp expected to have on Texas fishing in the years ahead?


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Positive. There will be fewer boats, clearer water and bigger fish
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Positive. There will be fewer boats, clearer water and bigger fish
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All studies point to Asian Carp harming every native species' population, causing them to decrease in number and size. Please do not advocate for an invasive species, protect our native wildlife.


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Originally Posted By: Smile-n-Nod
What effects are zebra mussels and silver carp expected to have on Texas fishing in the years ahead?


Don't believe the hysteria the TPWD tries to feed you about the Zebra Mussel.

Seems as if they for some reason have decided boater are the target for Zebra Mussels and thus have focused on writing tickets to more boaters.

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I know that the official word for ZM in Canyon Lake came out several months ago. But I can tell you I have found them on branches brought up at the far west end (upriver) of the lake and as far east as Tomís Creek. Apears they have been here for quite awhile. Have not heard of any boating problems yet.

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Originally Posted By: RedRanger
Originally Posted By: Smile-n-Nod
What effects are zebra mussels and silver carp expected to have on Texas fishing in the years ahead?


Don't believe the hysteria the TPWD tries to feed you about the Zebra Mussel.

Seems as if they for some reason have decided boater are the target for Zebra Mussels and thus have focused on writing tickets to more boaters.




Originally Posted By: Bilboinsa
I know that the official word for ZM in Canyon Lake came out several months ago. But I can tell you I have found them on branches brought up at the far west end (upriver) of the lake and as far east as Tomís Creek. Apears they have been here for quite awhile. Have not heard of any boating problems yet.


While it may seem to simply be an inconvenience now, Zebra Mussels can have a devastating effect on our environment in the future. Just like any other invasive species, they not only threaten to negatively impact our native fish and wildlife, but they've been proven to. In the Hudson river, ZM have caused microzooplankton populations to decrease 70%, and phytoplankton populations to decrease 80%. Not only does this effect the fish that feed on these plankton (like the threatened Paddlefish, Gizzard Shad, and many smaller species), but it disrupts the entire food chain. Plankton make up most of the living matter in a body of water, and serve as the food base for the entire ecosystem. A decrease in plankton is a decrease in everything.

http://texaslivingwaters.org/zebra-mussels-threaten-native-texas-species/
https://www.caryinstitute.org/sites/defa..._fact_sheet.pdf
http://texasaquaticscience.org/lakes-ponds-aquatic-science-texas/


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Bridgeport dropped a few feet after being full the last year or more. The muscles are thick as barnacles in some areas on the newly exposed rocks. Fishing soft plastics shallow around these rocks we did break our line for no apparent reason a couple times but the fish didnít seem to mind them.

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Wonder if gaspergoo (fresh water drum) will feed on zebra muscles..?..

maybe state will start a gaspergoo stocking program!


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Originally Posted By: TXMulti-Species
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Positive. There will be fewer boats, clearer water and bigger fish laugh

All studies point to Asian Carp harming every native species' population, causing them to decrease in number and size. Please do not advocate for an invasive species, protect our native wildlife.

Omg! We all are going to die! Aren't you guys tired of all doom and gloom [censored] by now? You hear same song for decades already. There is nothing you can do about mussels, carp and other hot subjects. They've even drained a lake or two dry with zero outcome. Just relax...

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Positive. There will be fewer boats, clearer water and bigger fish laugh

All studies point to Asian Carp harming every native species' population, causing them to decrease in number and size. Please do not advocate for an invasive species, protect our native wildlife.

Omg! We all are going to die! Aren't you guys tired of all doom and gloom [censored] by now? You hear same song for decades already. There is nothing you can do about mussels, carp and other hot subjects. They've even drained a lake or two dry with zero outcome. Just relax...


I suppose we're just supposed to sit back and let our state be ravaged? Where's your sense of responsibility? Don't you want your children and their children to enjoy the same fisheries you do? Nihilism will only exacerbate our problems.


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Originally Posted By: driedmeat
Wonder if gaspergoo (fresh water drum) will feed on zebra muscles..?..

maybe state will start a gaspergoo stocking program!


There's been research on this, but it only slows down the inevitable because of the mussel's reproductive rate.
https://pubs.er.usgs.gov/publication/70024213


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I believe he is just voicing his opinion that hand-wringing wonít solve anything. And unless and until a solution is found, we may as well enjoy the waters as always. Peace.

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Originally Posted By: TXMulti-Species
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Originally Posted By: Smile-n-Nod
What effects are zebra mussels and silver carp expected to have on Texas fishing in the years ahead?


Don't believe the hysteria the TPWD tries to feed you about the Zebra Mussel.

Seems as if they for some reason have decided boater are the target for Zebra Mussels and thus have focused on writing tickets to more boaters.



Originally Posted By: Bilboinsa
I know that the official word for ZM in Canyon Lake came out several months ago. But I can tell you I have found them on branches brought up at the far west end (upriver) of the lake and as far east as Tomís Creek. Apears they have been here for quite awhile. Have not heard of any boating problems yet.


While it may seem to simply be an inconvenience now, Zebra Mussels can have a devastating effect on our environment in the future. Just like any other invasive species, they not only threaten to negatively impact our native fish and wildlife, but they've been proven to. In the Hudson river, ZM have caused microzooplankton populations to decrease 70%, and phytoplankton populations to decrease 80%. Not only does this effect the fish that feed on these plankton (like the threatened Paddlefish, Gizzard Shad, and many smaller species), but it disrupts the entire food chain. Plankton make up most of the living matter in a body of water, and serve as the food base for the entire ecosystem. A decrease in plankton is a decrease in everything.

http://texaslivingwaters.org/zebra-mussels-threaten-native-texas-species/
https://www.caryinstitute.org/sites/defa..._fact_sheet.pdf
http://texasaquaticscience.org/lakes-ponds-aquatic-science-texas/


Sounds like you need to change your handle to "Chicken Little"

Life will go on and the lakes will adapt.

Lake in Texas are invasive, they are man made.

Get a grip and don't fear the future..........

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Your right Redranger. They never miss an attempt to get more revenue. Licence to fish, $7 to launch and a big fine for something.


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driedmeat: At Lake Murray on OK the water is so clear it looks like a swimming pool. You can see the channel cats eating zebra mussels on the bottom. I've seen this in clear water at Texoma as well. I think those drum eat them as well as Bluegills. A food source that cannot swim away will not go unnoticed.


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Originally Posted By: TXMulti-Species
I suppose we're just supposed to sit back and let our state be ravaged? Where's your sense of responsibility? Don't you want your children and their children to enjoy the same fisheries you do?

I realize that certain things can be fixed only at a huge expense. And mussels definitely look like one of them. Yes, my kids will never enjoy the same fishery as I do -- even without mussels environment changes all the time. But I'll try to make sure they will enjoy it nevertheless. And carps and mussels do not really prevent that from happening.

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Nihilism will only exacerbate our problems.

I assume there is a study supporting this conclusion too? :-) You know, nowadays "there are studies <blahblahblah>" argument directly translates "we want to f..k you and we paid some sciency shill to help us". All sorts of fearmongers overused this argument to the where it becomes a counter to itself. Not a single person using this argument is capable of reading and critically analyzing studies he refers to.

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Originally Posted By: C.M.
Originally Posted By: TXMulti-Species
I suppose we're just supposed to sit back and let our state be ravaged? Where's your sense of responsibility? Don't you want your children and their children to enjoy the same fisheries you do?

I realize that certain things can be fixed only at a huge expense. And mussels definitely look like one of them. Yes, my kids will never enjoy the same fishery as I do -- even without mussels environment changes all the time. But I'll try to make sure they will enjoy it nevertheless. And carps and mussels do not really prevent that from happening.

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Nihilism will only exacerbate our problems.

I assume there is a study supporting this conclusion too? :-) You know, nowadays "there are studies <blahblahblah>" argument directly translates "we want to f..k you and we paid some sciency shill to help us". All sorts of fearmongers overused this argument to the where it becomes a counter to itself. Not a single person using this argument is capable of reading and critically analyzing studies he refers to.


I understand that completely, it's a shame we've let monied interests control us as they do now. When it comes to an invasive species however, it's not necessarily a question of their effects on the native environment, but just the simple fact that they don't belong. I don't like the way that they're dealing with it now (they're not), but I don't like the idea of just sitting around either. My thinking is that there must be something that we can do, I just don't know what that is.


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How do you feel about Illegal Immigration? Those are invasive species too.


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How do you feel about Illegal Immigration? Those are invasive species too.


There's a different forum for politics, but I will note that whether or not they are legal or illegal is ultimately irrelevant. In the context of an invasive species, they are non-native and therefore invasive.

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There's always two sides to an argument and like others have noted, studies can be manipulated to give you what you want them to give you. There is a ton of bad publicity on the effects of zebra mussels but if you start searching positive effects, there are also studies and reports of them improving some lakes. They are being credited on Lake Erie as to being the reason for the surge in the small mouth population as well as the larger size of the small mouths now. Canada is reporting Lake Ontario is producing fatter, faster growing salmon.

The reason they are using is the water clarity from them. It allows the sun to penetrate further, growing algae at deeper depths, it allows fish to see better to search for food. Fish are eating the mussels and growing and in turn larger fish are sight fishing for those fish and eating more and growing more. They have developed mechanical cleaning and coatings for pipes, etc. It isn't always the sky is falling. They've been in Europe much longer than here. I'd like to see studies of fish population in their lakes. I'm sure they didn't lose all their fish because of them.

An invasive species, yes. Florida strain of bass aren't a native here either as are other fish that have been introduced over the years. I wouldn't mind having clearer lakes myself.

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Originally Posted By: Bilboinsa
I know that the official word for ZM in Canyon Lake came out several months ago. But I can tell you I have found them on branches brought up at the far west end (upriver) of the lake and as far east as Tomís Creek. Apears they have been here for quite awhile. Have not heard of any boating problems yet.


Yep. I pulled up an old abandoned trot line the other day on Canyon (Tom's Creek). The zebras started about 8 feet down the line and covered it all the way down to the rock at the bottom. It's safe to say that Canyon has a full blow infestation.

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I read the effects of zebra mussels on the Great Lakes was incredible.
Basically it saved the commercial fishing industry from all the pollution in the water. Statistics prove it defiantly cleaned the lakes.

Now I am not promoting any invasive at all, I wonder it they could stop the golden algea and the effects it has had in our recent past?

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Took this picture summer of 17. Ladder I put in the water at Bridgeport summer of 16 for the grandkids to get out and up on the dock. I can see where the worry about them clogging up pipes comes from. The bottom of the ladder was completely encrusted. Sure would not want the kids feet on them, they are sharp.
Sorry, could not get the photo to load. Aluminum ladder rungs full of mussels after one year.



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Cats, drum, and perch that I catch in Belton lake sometimes have them in their stomachs, so fish do eat them. I have noticed that some areas of the lake are really clear but in my experience this has not really impacted the fishing other than being able to see the fish. There is really no way to get rid of the ZM once they are in so I think the lakes will adapt.


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Originally Posted By: TXMulti-Species
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[quote=Smile-n-Nod]What effects are zebra mussels and silver carp expected to have on Texas fishing in the years ahead?


Don't believe the hysteria the TPWD tries to feed you about the Zebra Mussel.

Seems as if they for some reason have decided boater are the target for Zebra Mussels and thus have focused on writing tickets to more boaters.




Originally Posted By: Bilboinsa
I know that the official word for ZM in Canyon Lake came out several months ago. But I can tell you I have found them on branches brought up at the far west end (upriver) of the lake and as far east as Tomís Creek. Apears they have been here for quite awhile. Have not heard of any boating problems yet.


While it may seem to simply be an inconvenience now, Zebra Mussels can have a devastating effect on our environment in the future. Just like any other invasive species, they not only threaten to negatively impact our native fish and wildlife, but they've been proven to. In the Hudson river, ZM have caused microzooplankton populations to decrease 70%, and phytoplankton populations to decrease 80%. Not only does this effect the fish that feed on these plankton (like the threatened Paddlefish, Gizzard Shad, and many smaller species), but it disrupts the entire food chain. Plankton make up most of the living matter in a body of water, and serve as the food base for the entire ecosystem. A decrease in plankton is a decrease in everything.

So, if you are looking for an answer to increased zooplankton (all versions you listed)...just add some fertilizer to the watershed occasionally...problem solved, no big political studies, fearmongering concerns, needless/useless/invasive laws to extract more money from my pocket book....planet is saved thanks to addition of fertilizer...just saying, you donít let the tail wag the dog.

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I agree that the world will continue to spin in spite of the Zebra Mussel "epidemic". There will even be some small benefits from the invasive species but......those that say it doesn't hurt anything are ignorant or uneducated. I can not find the picture that was online showing the big metal screens being pulled out of the water intake on Lake Bridgeport. They were completely encrusted with inches thick Zebra Mussels. Almost completely blocked. THAT is why a friend of mine who is the Superintendent of the Somervell County Water District will not allow bass boats in my backyard lake Wheeler Branch. The SCWD's sole being is to provide water for all of Somervell County. Fishing or having a picnic in the park is simply a perk. Can the mussels be stopped? Probably not. Will the earth continue to turn? Ya. But they certainly can not be ignored by those who's job it is to deal with this even if a bunch of fisherman say "don't worry about it".

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You know that boat is not the only way they spread, right? wink

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You know that boat is not the only way they spread, right? wink


Yea, those migratory birds carry most of them on their legs...lot more of them than there are bass boats...but those water superintendents always seem to follow the big money political interests, when in reality they donít even bother to consider the root causes...unfortunately, they have to have someone to blame without any real thought of where the truth lies...just saying...donít p*ss down my back and tell me itís raining...

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Hydrilla is invasive also. Just throwing that out there

Re: Zebra mussels and silver carp [Re: Smile-n-Nod] #12614458
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Straight outa Johnson county.....
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Straight outa Johnson county.....
Zm are not a big deal to lake... HUGE GIANT NASTY EXSPENSIVE deal to infrastructure... the cities water lines have massive maintnaice increase with them

Carp are bad... keep them out imho...

The only invasive i advocate is hydrilla. Never seen or heard of a lake it hurt


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Re: Zebra mussels and silver carp [Re: TXMulti-Species] #12614839
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Originally Posted By: TXMulti-Species
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How do you feel about Illegal Immigration? Those are invasive species too.


There's a different forum for politics, but I will note that whether or not they are legal or illegal is ultimately irrelevant. In the context of an invasive species, they are non-native and therefore invasive.


Illegal aliens tend to fish illegally so this is the appropriate sub forum.

Re: Zebra mussels and silver carp [Re: catslayer] #12614934
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Originally Posted By: catslayer
Zm are not a big deal to lake... HUGE GIANT NASTY EXSPENSIVE deal to infrastructure... the cities water lines have massive maintnaice increase with them

Carp are bad... keep them out imho...

The only invasive i advocate is hydrilla. Never seen or heard of a lake it hurt


Hmmm, ok, so are you saying that zebra mussels purifying our drinking water befor manmade purification is a bad thing just because old water lines (that probably needed replacing many years ago) that donít have appropriate coatings to stop the zebra mussels is a bad thing for society, because it causes water municipalities to do what should have been done years ago...ie., update lines, screen, equipment?

Re: Zebra mussels and silver carp [Re: the skipper] #12616506
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Originally Posted By: the skipper
Hydrilla is invasive also. Just throwing that out there


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Re: Zebra mussels and silver carp [Re: Txmedic033] #12616507
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Originally Posted By: Txmedic033
Originally Posted By: TXMulti-Species
Originally Posted By: machinist
How do you feel about Illegal Immigration? Those are invasive species too.


There's a different forum for politics, but I will note that whether or not they are legal or illegal is ultimately irrelevant. In the context of an invasive species, they are non-native and therefore invasive.


Illegal aliens tend to fish illegally so this is the appropriate sub forum.


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Re: Zebra mussels and silver carp [Re: Smile-n-Nod] #12617670
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Ignorance.


Re: Zebra mussels and silver carp [Re: 361V] #12617692
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