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Elite no help rule #12338836
07/14/17 11:10 AM
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Straight outa Johnson county.....
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Straight outa Johnson county.....


"I'll never mess with bee's or wasp anymore, and I'll never gig another beaver..." Words from a man who learned things the hard way
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Re: Elite no help rule [Re: catslayer] #12338873
07/14/17 11:58 AM
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That is prob one of the best bass fishing articles I have read. Not just because of the rule, but how he went on to explain the anglers


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I'm thinking Nate is probably right.
Re: Elite no help rule [Re: catslayer] #12338898
07/14/17 12:25 PM
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Good article

Re: Elite no help rule [Re: catslayer] #12338900
07/14/17 12:28 PM
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good read. I bet I know "who" still wants to get info... same guy who follows other anglers around(Elites/Classic/MLF) and its been well documented that he does.


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Re: Elite no help rule [Re: catslayer] #12338940
07/14/17 12:51 PM
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I don't have a problem at all with the no info rule concerning waypoints, areas, etc. I never thought it was right that those guys could roll up to a lake and already have predetermined spots to fish because of local's advice. The main reason I was of this opinion was the fact that KVD, Swindle, Ike, etc (the cool kids) will always have more access to better information than the rookies.

Here is where I disagree with part of the no information rule. First, I think it's a safety issue. I personally spent time in the boat with an elite this past March on Rayburn showing him around. The main thing was he wanted to know how to run the lake and where the "safe" and "not safe" areas were. Just spending a half day with him allowed him to break down the lake so much faster because he was informed on what areas of the lake had hazards. Secondly, these guys are out there trying to build a fan base. They are trying to gain followers on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc. This obviously is part of the sponsorship game. Now these guys can't hang out with the locals and make friendships like they could in previous years. Yes, I understand they can still sit by the campfire with the local guys and visit, but it's not the same as before. In previous years, these anglers came to a lake and became a local for a given period of time. Of course, they were searching for information, but it gave them a common ground with every single person at the lake. This established friendships that could potentially lead further. If nothing else, it gained more "likes" on their Facebook page and more "followers" on their Twitter account. Now, it's just not going to be the same.

I get what the veterans of the sport did. With social media and so much networking available, these younger guys are able to get tons of info whereas in the past it took the veterans years to get. You can look at the results of the tournaments, and it's not as lopsided as it was 10-15 years ago as far as veterans stacked at the top. It doesn't take near as long for a rookie to make a name for himself as it previously did. The new guys have access to way more info than the old dudes did!

Good, bad or indifferent, the rule is there. I do feel for the newer guys that have never been on the Sabine. The veterans definitely have an advantage there simply because of the safety factor of running the river. I couldn't imagine never been on there, launching my boat and knowing I needed to explore 100+ miles of water without knowing a single tidbit of information as far as where the sandbars are, where those sunken shipwrecks are, etc.

Change is inevitable. Maybe this will turn out to be a great thing for BASS. We will have to just sit back and see.

One last thing - BASS Live still rocks! I get nothing done at work on Fridays during tournaments! banana



Re: Elite no help rule [Re: catslayer] #12338957
07/14/17 01:07 PM
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This isn't a safety issue. Everyone needs to quit turning professional sports into the YMCA.

If you don't know the lake don't run it. If you are a professional learn to run it in the allotted practice time. If you can't do that go home


Re: Elite no help rule [Re: catslayer] #12339010
07/14/17 01:45 PM
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I definitely like the rule but I'm not sure who they plan to fully enforce it. I'm sure most of the anglers will play by the rules though.

I do better when I find my own fish anyways. When I do get some info, I usually end up spending too much time trying to catch those fish. I'd much rather just go fish the conditions and figure out my own thing



Re: Elite no help rule [Re: catslayer] #12339012
07/14/17 01:46 PM
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Its became a big popularity contest

Re: Elite no help rule [Re: catslayer] #12339082
07/14/17 02:17 PM
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I know a little information can be good. I went to a Clark Reehm sonar class. He also show us how to use the graph to break down a cove and get rid of what he called dead water. He broke down a entire cove in about 2 minutes. Theses Elites don't need a bunch of information to catch a lot of fish. Theses guys are going to catch fish with or without any information, they are just that good. I think we look at it from our weakness. I learned a lot from Clark and a few guides on Fork [ I am by no means a great angler] but I can now go to a new lake with the new graphs and fine fish. I can only imagine how quick the experts can look at google maps and Navionics and break down a lake before they even get to the lake. Theses Elites are just so much better then the average guys or Guides for that matter. I think trying to compare what we know to theses Elites is like trying to compare our high school letter mens jacket to a NFL player. I do not think the rule is going to have a great effect either way.

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Re: Elite no help rule [Re: catslayer] #12339087
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This rule only helps the guys getting info. Guys who get info regularly bend the rules, which is known & never enforced. Guys who play by the rules don't have this advantage. Now it further handicaps law abiding citizen. Unless it's truly enforced.

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Re: Elite no help rule [Re: James Biggs] #12339127
07/14/17 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted By: James Biggs
This rule only helps the guys getting info. Guys who get info regularly bend the rules, which is known & never enforced. Guys who play by the rules don't have this advantage. Now it further handicaps law abiding citizen. Unless it's truly enforced.


B.A.S.S. is going to have to start polygraphing if this rule is to have any teeth for those who already bend the rules.


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Re: Elite no help rule [Re: Clark3] #12339147
07/14/17 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted By: Clark3
This isn't a safety issue. Everyone needs to quit turning professional sports into the YMCA.

If you don't know the lake don't run it. If you are a professional learn to run it in the allotted practice time. If you can't do that go home


Great point.

Re: Elite no help rule [Re: fouzman] #12339231
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
Originally Posted By: James Biggs
This rule only helps the guys getting info. Guys who get info regularly bend the rules, which is known & never enforced. Guys who play by the rules don't have this advantage. Now it further handicaps law abiding citizen. Unless it's truly enforced.


B.A.S.S. is going to have to start polygraphing if this rule is to have any teeth for those who already bend the rules.


They "randomly" polygraphed Luke Clausen. Lol

Re: Elite no help rule [Re: catslayer] #12339240
07/14/17 03:38 PM
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roflmao Kind of what I was talking about, Mr. Biggs. If they're known rule breakers, BASS should be "randomly" ploygraphing them and others.


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Re: Elite no help rule [Re: fouzman] #12339281
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
roflmao Kind of what I was talking about, Mr. Biggs. If they're known rule breakers, BASS should be "randomly" ploygraphing them and others.


The issue is it's the guys at the top. Bass doesn't want to poly the guys that represent their brand or their paying sponsors. The bigger the name the more guys want to help you.

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