It's not on the list because the PA17T is not a kayak. Frankly, I don't even really consider the PA12, PA14 and Titan as kayaks either. Actually, and many people don't know this, but when Hobie first listed the PA's on their website, Hobie themselves actually called them either "pedal crafts" or "pedal boats" (it escapes me, and I'm kicking myself for not getting a screen shot of it) and had them under a separate tab from the rest of their kayaks. So, for a short time even Hobie didn't consider them kayaks.

Neumie do the weights you have listed include the drives/propulsion devices on the kayaks that come with them ?
Cool spreadsheet BTW

Anybody got reviews on some of these newer pedal drive yaks.

Some reviews here on old posts.

In general, the Predator PDL has been reviewed very favorably. Mariner Sails told me that of the new pedalers, this one gets the most attention. Downside? It seems to tump over with its high seat position. I have seen several YouTube videos where people have turtled. Usually user error, but I have rarely seen this with many other models.

The Manta Ray Propel has been popular for its lower price point, and that it cuts through the water very well. The downsides I have heard relate to a bit less area to rig it for fishing, that, and that it creates a wetter ride with water coming in over the bow in waves and wind. It has a lower carrying capacity than most.

Just a few reviews, all that I have seen, have shown the Wilderness Radar to be solid. Nothing stands out in my memory except the owners have liked them. I saw one out at the lake and it performed very well.

Jackson's new pedaler is too new, not even sure it has been released quite yet. It has a novel lower drive unit that lifts up and over obstructions or as you glide in to the bank.

Native's Titan has surprised me regarding its popularity. I thought it was just too large but it has a lot of fans. Its issue is related to cavitation on quick starts making it slow to accelerate. But, it has been well received by the really hard core anglers.

The Pescador Pilot gets great comments on its appearance, and its price too. But, of all the new pedal kayaks, it has had the most negatives related to it just seeming to have been introduced before it was really ready. I think the manufacturer has found work-arounds for most issues. Since it is a lower price point vessel, I guess one shouldn't expect it to perform like the more expensive makes. I saw one the other day, I spun the pedals and it just doens't spin as fluidly as Native Drives. It could be a contender if they fix things.

As usual, be careful buying first year introductions. Most manufacturers have no qualms about putting out products with some flaws or some "unknowns" for us users to sort out for them.

Brad

Anybody got reviews on some of these newer pedal drive yaks.

If the problems that the Pescador pilot is having are addressed by the company than I don't see a problem. It's the companies that continue to put out crappy products and don't take their customers feedback in consideration.Those are the ones I refuse to buy from.

I've read several reviews that claim customer service is top notch so that is a plus in their favor!
Time tested is just that, and they seem to try hard to improve their product and sell an affordable kayak.