texasfishingforum.com logo
Main Menu
Advertisement
Affiliates
Advertisement
Newest Members
JohnBo74, SimilarWeather, susie143, GoneFishingTx, jwalker497
116110 Registered Users
Top Posters(All Time)
TexDawg 105,126
hopalong 101,089
Pilothawk 81,444
John175☮ 80,348
Bigbob_FTW 77,455
JDavis7873 67,408
Derek 🐝 67,161
Mark Perry 64,474
Forum Statistics
Forums61
Topics1,160,038
Posts15,867,833
Members141,110
Most Online36,273
Jan 23rd, 2013
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
If carp are an invasive species? #12222600 04/29/17 03:12 PM
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 1,417
R
rickt300 Offline OP
Extreme Angler
OP Offline
Extreme Angler
R
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 1,417
Once you catch one is it legal to put it back in the water? You would be "stocking" an undesirable invasive fish back into the water. Why aren't carp treated like Tilapia?

Re: If carp are an invasive species? [Re: rickt300] #12222615 04/29/17 03:21 PM
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 10,761
C
Curt0407 Online Content
TFF Guru
Online Content
TFF Guru
C
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 10,761
Common carp are not an invasive species. They were introduced into the U.S. around the 1880s. The Asian carp (jumping carp) are invasive. Grass carp (White Amur) are regulated as pond weed control agents. Outside permitted waters the grass carp are considered invasive.

Catch and release of common carp is not a problem. If grass carp are caught out of a body of water where a permit for them has been issued, then they must be returned unharmed to that body of water.

Asian carp are a menace and should be destroyed.

Re: If carp are an invasive species? [Re: rickt300] #12222674 04/29/17 03:58 PM
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 17,016
G
Gitter Done Offline
TFF Guru
Offline
TFF Guru
G
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 17,016
Could not have said it any better.

Re: If carp are an invasive species? [Re: Gitter Done] #12223329 04/29/17 11:46 PM
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 1,079
W
Wildman of the navidad Offline
Extreme Angler
Offline
Extreme Angler
W
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 1,079
Originally Posted By: Curt0407
Common carp are not an invasive species. They were introduced into the U.S. around the 1880s. The Asian carp (jumping carp) are invasive. Grass carp (White Amur) are regulated as pond weed control agents. Outside permitted waters the grass carp are considered invasive.

Catch and release of common carp is not a problem. If grass carp are caught out of a body of water where a permit for them has been issued, then they must be returned unharmed to that body of water.

Asian carp are a menace and should be destroyed.
Originally Posted By: Gitter Done
Could not have said it any better.




+1


Psalm:91

Quote on the wildman" They Said he'd eat the hair off of a man's head when he was hungry
and squeeze the water out of rocks when he was thirsty"
Re: If carp are an invasive species? [Re: rickt300] #12223628 04/30/17 03:34 AM
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 983
S
SharkBaitTV Offline
Pro Angler
Offline
Pro Angler
S
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 983
In Texas common carp are classified as a naturalized species, not an invasive species.


"Conservation is the preservation of life on earth, and that, above all else, is worth fighting for."
Re: If carp are an invasive species? [Re: Wildman of the navidad] #12224688 05/01/17 02:23 AM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 65,018
banker-always fishing Online Content
Super Freak
Online Content
Super Freak
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 65,018
Originally Posted By: Wildman of the navidad
Originally Posted By: Curt0407
Common carp are not an invasive species. They were introduced into the U.S. around the 1880s. The Asian carp (jumping carp) are invasive. Grass carp (White Amur) are regulated as pond weed control agents. Outside permitted waters the grass carp are considered invasive.

Catch and release of common carp is not a problem. If grass carp are caught out of a body of water where a permit for them has been issued, then they must be returned unharmed to that body of water.

Asian carp are a menace and should be destroyed.
Originally Posted By: Gitter Done
Could not have said it any better.








+1




A huge plus #3. thumb


[Linked Image][Linked Image]

IGFA World Record Rio Grande Cichlid. Lake Dunlap.

John 3:16

Sinner's Prayer. God forgive me a sinner. I accept Jesus Christ as my Savior !
Re: If carp are an invasive species? [Re: rickt300] #12225149 05/01/17 02:50 PM
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 198
A
AvidOutdoors7 Offline
Outdoorsman
Offline
Outdoorsman
A
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 198
hmmm iv always thought commons were invasive too, nice to know thumb


just an avid outdoorsman
Re: If carp are an invasive species? [Re: rickt300] #12227580 05/02/17 09:12 PM
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 9,298
S
ScottEvil Offline
TFF Celebrity
Offline
TFF Celebrity
S
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 9,298
Trolling again? How about reading the TPWD rule book? Or goto http://www.texasinvasives.org/


Bowfishing sucks
Re: If carp are an invasive species? [Re: rickt300] #12229380 05/03/17 09:39 PM
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 1,417
R
rickt300 Offline OP
Extreme Angler
OP Offline
Extreme Angler
R
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 1,417
Yep trolling alright. Just wondering why I can't legally put carp in public waters yet I can catch one and put it back.

Re: If carp are an invasive species? [Re: rickt300] #12229510 05/03/17 11:23 PM
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 25,966
Uncle Zeek Online Content
aka "Dad"
Online Content
aka "Dad"
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 25,966
Originally Posted By: rickt300
Yep trolling alright. Just wondering why I can't legally put carp in public waters yet I can catch one and put it back.


What's the (hypothetical) context of this line of inquiry?


"Decency is not news; it is buried in the obituaries --but it is a force stronger than crime" ~ Robert A. Heinlein
190 Civic Circle, Suite 260, Lewisville, TX 75067
972-746-0758 mobile
zac@artimlegal.com
Re: If carp are an invasive species? [Re: rickt300] #12229521 05/03/17 11:31 PM
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 983
S
SharkBaitTV Offline
Pro Angler
Offline
Pro Angler
S
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 983
Originally Posted By: rickt300
Yep trolling alright. Just wondering why I can't legally put carp in public waters yet I can catch one and put it back.


"why I can't legally put CARP"

thats part of it you cant even properly identify the species.


"Conservation is the preservation of life on earth, and that, above all else, is worth fighting for."
Re: If carp are an invasive species? [Re: rickt300] #12232573 05/05/17 05:03 PM
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 9,298
S
ScottEvil Offline
TFF Celebrity
Offline
TFF Celebrity
S
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 9,298
yes trolling. You asked almost an identical question 2 years ago and still havent done any research except ask here. You were answered and still ask a similar question a few years later.


Bowfishing sucks
Re: If carp are an invasive species? [Re: SharkBaitTV] #12242810 05/12/17 03:59 PM
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,385
F
Fishbreeder Offline
Extreme Angler
Offline
Extreme Angler
F
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,385
Common carp, only, are among the very few species named as legal to use as live bait in any state waters. Actually common carp is the least regulated species in Texas.

You can buy, sell, raise in your yard, use for bait, keep in tanks in your yard or home, carry alive in your car, common carp with no permits or papers of any sort or kind.

That however does not change the fact that common carp is the most invasive species of all freshwater fish. With the help of humankind the common carp has managed to become the most widespread freshwater species on the planet. Common carp can be found from the Arctic through the tropics. For most of the history of fish culture it was the most cultured species on Earth, recently being surpassed by the tilapia.

The common carp's destruction and degredation of aquatic habitats is well documented and the species is banned in ten states.

I bred and sold common carp for twenty years, distributing to most of the US and Canada, a lot of Asia, as well as Central and South America. Mostly in the form of high grade koi, but locally I sold a lot of culls for fish bait and weed control.

Now, when you refer to "carp," as catchall for the entire family of cyprinid fishes, many of them are banned not only from placing in public waters, but from possession at all. Common carp is only one of hundreds of species of carps.


Fishbreeder


Re: If carp are an invasive species? [Re: rickt300] #12251254 05/18/17 12:59 PM
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 5,067
F
fiSherwood Offline
TFF Celebrity
Offline
TFF Celebrity
F
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 5,067
"That however does not change the fact that common carp is the most invasive species of all freshwater fish. " This is opinion, not fact.
Largemouth Bass are considered invasive species in parts of Europe; they also have been spread by humankind.
Again, it is opinion, and determined by the pervasive views of fishermen. The whole concept of 'trash fish' is all opinion and wholly subjective.
The best carp fishing waters in Texas are the same waters that are considered great bass, catfish, crappie, and other species waters.
Certainly shallow, silty-bottomed lakes can be roiled up by the feeding habits of common carp, but they pale in the face of the destruction and degradation caused by humans. Boat wash, trash, pollutants, etc. have wrecked more waters than common carp (in my opinion) and it is to the carp's hardiness and ability to thrive in such environments that people will blame them for it.

Re: If carp are an invasive species? [Re: fiSherwood] #12251554 05/18/17 03:31 PM
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,385
F
Fishbreeder Offline
Extreme Angler
Offline
Extreme Angler
F
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,385
Originally Posted By: fiSherwood
"That however does not change the fact that common carp is the most invasive species of all freshwater fish. " This is opinion, not fact.
Largemouth Bass are considered invasive species in parts of Europe; they also have been spread by humankind.
Again, it is opinion, and determined by the pervasive views of fishermen. The whole concept of 'trash fish' is all opinion and wholly subjective.
The best carp fishing waters in Texas are the same waters that are considered great bass, catfish, crappie, and other species waters.
Certainly shallow, silty-bottomed lakes can be roiled up by the feeding habits of common carp, but they pale in the face of the destruction and degradation caused by humans. Boat wash, trash, pollutants, etc. have wrecked more waters than common carp (in my opinion) and it is to the carp's hardiness and ability to thrive in such environments that people will blame them for it.



I love the common carp as much as anybody, spent more than half my professional life in the culture of the species. It is among the most invasive of species due to its ability to thrive in the types of conditions described above, and may be the result of, as opposed to the cause of, such conditions (especially human driven habitat degradation/site disturbances). And yep, any animal taken from its home range and introduced into another area can become destructively invasive. These are not opinions, but are well documented biological facts. Not just fish, not just in water. Fire ants, European Starlings, chinese tallow, kudzu, a few non-fish examples.

Just a couple of many, many publications documenting the harmful invasive nature of the common carp. It may not be the actual worst example, but it is very near the top.

http://www.iucngisd.org/gisd/species.php?sc=60

http://dnr.state.mn.us/invasives/aquaticanimals/commoncarp/index.html

In many places it is too late to make changes back to the way it was and some laws have been changed to accommodate that fact. Some are still behind the times, eg. common carp are deregulated as "naturalized," and although the tilapia is as naturalized as the common carp and is here to stay, remains a banned species.

As a general rule, natural habitats not yet invaded by common carp are degraded upon such invasion. This does not say that a carp fishery may not form and become and important aspect of the habitat, just that the changes made by the carp's presence are detrimental to the native species and the ecology they are a part of.

OTOH, man made, non-natural habitats may benefit greatly from the introduction of non-native species. Almost all the aquatic habitats in Texas are man-made, non-natural habitats and as such make great places to grow fish like common carp and tilapia. In many, many cases the introduction of either or both these species to a man-made habitat is an improvement.

At least in Texas, and in the present day, the common carp plays an integral and important role across the state with respect to both the ecology and the fishery. Nothing is going to change that. We as Texans should embrace the fact, and "Carpe carpa!"


Fishbreeder


Page 1 of 2 1 2
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread

© 1998-2021 OUTDOOR SITES NETWORK all rights reserved USA and Worldwide
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3