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What a shame!!! #12216221
04/25/17 09:25 PM
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Burleson ,TX
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I can't believe there are already a bunch of people trying to hire guides for the state championship parents should be ashamed of themselves or boat captains or anyone else trying to cheat the kids that actually go out and look for their own fish and patterns.

Roberts has a small guide community and word gets around. Even names get around. If you are one of these thoughtless crooked cheats you will eventually get caught . If you are one of those that hasn't read the rules for the season shame on you to.

I wonder how many times this has been done on other lakes. Thank you to the honest guides of the Roberts community that came forward with this issue.

Re: What a shame!!! [Re: Hoghunter36] #12216243
04/25/17 09:34 PM
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That"s as Bad as the boat captain at lake Whitney giving a kid a 4lb fish to weigh in and the boat captain won the side pot with one over
6 What are these boat captains really teaching the kids

Re: What a shame!!! [Re: RWjr] #12216255
04/25/17 09:41 PM
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Is it in the rules you can't hire guides? People hire guides all the time prior to tournaments. Not sure I see this as cheating? I have no kids in this, just not quite sure I understand your stance.


Re: What a shame!!! [Re: Ranger1] #12216256
04/25/17 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted By: Ranger1
Is it in the rules you can't hire guides? People hire guides all the time prior to tournaments. Not sure I see this as cheating? I have no kids in this, just not quite sure I understand your stance.


Cant hire guides 30 days(I believe) prior to tourney. No rule against hiring guides other than this.

Re: What a shame!!! [Re: Hoghunter36] #12216284
04/25/17 10:07 PM
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Burleson ,TX
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No guides within thirty days.

If someone hires a guide within the rules I have no problem with it. But to hire one and try to cheat that's just wrong.

There have already been people caught cheating they need to run these people through the ringer.

Re: What a shame!!! [Re: Hoghunter36] #12216295
04/25/17 10:12 PM
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I have seen everything under the sun being a boat captain on these tournaments. Between letting the kids get out of the boat and fish covered boat slips as the boat captain holds the boat at the dock. Seen people pre fishing after the 7 o clock hour,and witness a gentleman caught two fish in front of my kids about 30 yards away and yes he was a captain put them in the live well they high fived each other and left. Went to way in and seen the same gentleman but no fish, just the boy,crazy. This is a great thing for the kids,to keep there grades up and earn there right to fish this. Let's take the kids out and help them be great anglers and let them figure stuff out themselves with of course the captains input if they need it. They do that they are the true winners!

Re: What a shame!!! [Re: Hoghunter36] #12216297
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And yes that boy had 5 good fish

Re: What a shame!!! [Re: huchowski] #12216368
04/25/17 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted By: huchowski
I have seen everything under the sun being a boat captain on these tournaments. Between letting the kids get out of the boat and fish covered boat slips as the boat captain holds the boat at the dock. Seen people pre fishing after the 7 o clock hour,and witness a gentleman caught two fish in front of my kids about 30 yards away and yes he was a captain put them in the live well they high fived each other and left. Went to way in and seen the same gentleman but no fish, just the boy,crazy. This is a great thing for the kids,to keep there grades up and earn there right to fish this. Let's take the kids out and help them be great anglers and let them figure stuff out themselves with of course the captains input if they need it. They do that they are the true winners!


Did you report any of that to the tournament director?

Re: What a shame!!! [Re: Hoghunter36] #12216483
04/26/17 12:04 AM
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hahaha Ive heard about this and also gotten phone calls personally although im not a licensed guide. Ray Roberts does have a very small guide community. Its sad to see grown adults willing to cheat for these highschool kids...

Re: What a shame!!! [Re: Hoghunter36] #12216491
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This high school fishing is getting interesting lol.

Re: What a shame!!! [Re: Mark Perry] #12216548
04/26/17 12:46 AM
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No I never did that is my fault, I wouldn't be able stand there and watch them kids get disqualified and see there faces because the boat captain is teaching them wrong. I guess I'm soft hearted, but cheating is cheating so I guess in a way I cheated my on kids for not saying anything.

Re: What a shame!!! [Re: Hoghunter36] #12216799
04/26/17 03:21 AM
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In most tournaments it's against the rules to not report violations. Don't feel guilty about it.


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Re: What a shame!!! [Re: RWjr] #12216833
04/26/17 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted By: RWjr
That"s as Bad as the boat captain at lake Whitney giving a kid a 4lb fish to weigh in and the boat captain won the side pot with one over
6 What are these boat captains really teaching the kids

Originally Posted By: huchowski
I have seen everything under the sun being a boat captain on these tournaments. Between letting the kids get out of the boat and fish covered boat slips as the boat captain holds the boat at the dock. Seen people pre fishing after the 7 o clock hour,and witness a gentleman caught two fish in front of my kids about 30 yards away and yes he was a captain put them in the live well they high fived each other and left. Went to way in and seen the same gentleman but no fish, just the boy,crazy. This is a great thing for the kids,to keep there grades up and earn there right to fish this. Let's take the kids out and help them be great anglers and let them figure stuff out themselves with of course the captains input if they need it. They do that they are the true winners!

Boater on non-boater draw is one way to prevent this, you put two people that know each other in a boat the temptation to cheat will always be there, even in a kids tourney.

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Re: What a shame!!! [Re: Hoghunter36] #12217098
04/26/17 01:30 PM
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nobody likes to admit it but in most tournaments where anything of value or fame there will be some that break the rules the big problem here is instead of grooming the right way it set a bad example for folks to see. it is really bad when they catch one out of the bunch that do it.

Re: What a shame!!! [Re: Hoghunter36] #12218175
04/26/17 10:40 PM
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I know of two students who were seen with a guide 6 days prior to a tournament. They were reported but when asked they denied it. They finished in the top 5. I didn't report them but know the people that did, they were the same ones that witnessed them with a guide.

It's a shame this happens but unfortunately it's not a surprise. In reality, there's little about high school fishing that's fair. Many of the students are fishing with boat captains that do all of the work and are very familiar with the lakes. The students do little to zero planning. They just show up and fish where they are told and use what they are told. We have students who don't want their dad to buy a boat because they'd have to fish with their dad who knows little to nothing about fishing and they know they'd do much worse in a tournament. I tell my son when he gets in college I think it'll be a little more even playing field. Saying that, I also know of a few kids who do all the work and are very good at fishing. They do great every tournament and will do great in college fishing also.

I guess it's just part of the game and without the boat captains volunteering most kids wouldn't get to fish and doubt high school fishing would even exist. I can't imagine letting my son weigh in a fish I caught. I'd like to say I'm surprised but I'm not. It's no different than any other sport or anything else in life, some just want the easy way out.

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