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Re: Cormorants - Good or bad?
[Re: 361V]
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12/13/15 05:43 PM
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Siberman
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White pork rind on a #2 treble 24" under a cork and plop it in the water under the roost tree. Hold on tight. Blue cats hit hard. So pork skins taste Cormorant $h/***?? Probably not but I'd rather eat bacon than bird poop . I'm sure the catfish feel the same .
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Re: Cormorants - Good or bad?
[Re: 9094]
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12/13/15 09:54 PM
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Techsan4
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You can get a special permits to hunt them on private property. You have to keep a log and bury or burn the bodies. Your not going to get a permit unless you are a fish farmer. Ummm...no. So have you ever attempted to get a permit got depredation to shoot them? I have and was unsuccessful because, yes I did not have a hatchery and wasn't a fish farmer. I know it says in the regs that a permit can be issued for protecting game fish but I can assure you you will not get one at the Fort Eorth office or the Abilene office. And they take their orders from Austin. I was told the part of the law that says issued for protection of game fish meant that TPWD could get a permit for their people or to contract a company to control them. If you have received a permit to kill them to protect you tanks or private lakes I sure would like to know which office. The definition of a fish farm was someplace that was permitted to sell fish. For example even though Camalot Bell isn't a hatchery per se they sell fingerlings so hence they are permitted to sell them. We have a permit to shoot them at my family ranch (not a fish farm.) I know several other private landowners who have obtained permits as well. You are misinformed.
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Re: Cormorants - Good or bad?
[Re: Techsan4]
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12/14/15 12:45 PM
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Licensed fish farmers in 13 Southern states are covered by a general permit and do not have to apply for anything.
Others with interests being damaged by pests such as cormorants have to make an application and receive a specific permit. All very doable IF you can show damages from the marauding birds.
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Re: Cormorants - Good or bad?
[Re: LakeForkJohn]
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12/14/15 01:57 PM
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txmark1959
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Mark Cooper Onalaska Texas
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Re: Cormorants - Good or bad?
[Re: 361V]
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12/14/15 02:29 PM
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Muzzlebrake
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White pork rind on a #2 treble 24" under a cork and plop it in the water under the roost tree. Hold on tight. Blue cats hit hard. So pork skins taste Cormorant $h/***?? The white pork rind used for jigging looks like bird poop when it plops into the water. The bite is a reaction bite like a bass. The cats gather under the roost trees to gorge on digested fish. Nature's way of chumming. Presentation should be a soft toss so it makes the plop sound. One or two fish from under a tree and then move on to the next tree on trolling motor as quiet as possible. It's a lot like fishing for them green trash fish. Make a lot of casts for one good bite but when it's on it's a hoot.
Last edited by Muzzlebrake; 12/14/15 02:31 PM.
From Genesis: "And God promised men that good and obedient wives would be found in all corners of the earth."
Then He made the earth round...and He laughed and laughed and laughed!
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Re: Cormorants - Good or bad?
[Re: LakeForkJohn]
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12/15/15 05:55 AM
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ricrod
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I have used just the store bought catfish bait chunks and fished under trees with them in the past, the birds are great to bring the catfish to that area for sure.
When I am not fishing I am doing Home Inspections! Or is it supposed to be the other way around??? www.kcquality.com Sydney my new fishing partner!
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Re: Cormorants - Good or bad?
[Re: LakeForkJohn]
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12/15/15 02:32 PM
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Hog Jaw
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They come in our cove twice a day , start from one end and move toward the main lake .
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Re: Cormorants - Good or bad?
[Re: Fishbreeder]
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12/15/15 06:15 PM
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JohnButte
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Fish farmers in Mississippi got tired of losing millions of dollars and hired aerial applicators to spray the roosts with soapy water before cold rains, causing the cormorants to lose their oily coating and die of exposure. It worked very well and limited losses.
However, the farmers were filed against for the massacre by the feds. The feds lost in court due to jury nullification, too many relatives of the jurors worked in the fish industry and would not vote themselves out of work.
Now if we could get some of that common sense here in Texas.... I'm all for clean shooting, but this seems a little cruel.
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Re: Cormorants - Good or bad?
[Re: LakeForkJohn]
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12/15/15 09:51 PM
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Jumpin J
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What's cruel is that they have no predators, yet they consume twice their body weight, per day, of our beloved fish resources. They have grown drastically, in the last couple of decades, with very little relief in sight. Thank goodness it's recognized by Authorities, to allow some form of control. You guys that have feelings for them, must not be much about fishin', maybe ya'll need 'em as pets. The whole population is out of hand.
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Re: Cormorants - Good or bad?
[Re: JohnButte]
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12/16/15 12:34 PM
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Fish farmers in Mississippi got tired of losing millions of dollars and hired aerial applicators to spray the roosts with soapy water before cold rains, causing the cormorants to lose their oily coating and die of exposure. It worked very well and limited losses.
However, the farmers were filed against for the massacre by the feds. The feds lost in court due to jury nullification, too many relatives of the jurors worked in the fish industry and would not vote themselves out of work.
Now if we could get some of that common sense here in Texas.... I'm all for clean shooting, but this seems a little cruel. "Cruel" is not having a job, unable to make a house payment, send your kids to school, pay your taxes, live a decent life in pursuit of the American Dream. Finding an effective, inexpensive, ecologically sound, non-toxic, method to control pests, not so much. Real biology, I s'pose in the eyes of those unused to the harshness of real life, looks cruel. Perhaps watching a savannah monitor eat a rat would help folks get past what is cruel and what is real. Now, I do draw a line....I refuse to use glue traps for anything other than invertebrates.
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Re: Cormorants - Good or bad?
[Re: LakeForkJohn]
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12/16/15 12:40 PM
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ChuChu1
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As I was taught a long time ago, good law, bad law, it is the law. Work to get it changed, but until it is changed it is the law.
Ain't got nothing to do with cruel, only the law.
Snowflakes and entitled brats will be the doom of America!
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Re: Cormorants - Good or bad?
[Re: ChuChu1]
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12/16/15 02:17 PM
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As I was taught a long time ago, good law, bad law, it is the law. Work to get it changed, but until it is changed it is the law.
Ain't got nothing to do with cruel, only the law. No doubt the law is the law, but not everybody sees and enforces the law the same. In another episode, to do with white pelicans depredating and spreading disease on fish farms, the exact same law was enforced very differently by the feds in the Western office than the ones in the Eastern office. However, when it was all said and done, the law (and permitting) was brought into equity across the board. Nobody in their right mind wants to cause the demise to extinction of another species. However, some species are more problematic than others and require management intervention to restore balance and prevent undue loss. The double crested cormorant ( Phalacrocorax auritus) is among those.
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Re: Cormorants - Good or bad?
[Re: LakeForkJohn]
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12/16/15 04:55 PM
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Dan90210 ☮
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In Vegas was had a 4 little city ponds that would get stocked with trout in winter for the kids.
Yeah... someone said 80%? I would be willing to bet they ate 90% of those stocked fish within a few days.
State just dumping money in for nothing, 1 out of 10 kids might have caught a fish if they were there the day of stocking. By the time 2-3 days went by, there were not any more trout to speak of.
Still is that way.
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Re: Cormorants - Good or bad?
[Re: LakeForkJohn]
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12/16/15 05:10 PM
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Hookem
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Cormorants are good for soaking up spilled oil.
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Re: Cormorants - Good or bad?
[Re: LakeForkJohn]
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12/16/15 06:14 PM
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Hookem found the only good thing about water turkeys
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