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Rule interpretation
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01/24/15 02:09 AM
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balata9999
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I wanted to know what everyone thought of this scenario for the sake of discusion, I have no dog in the fight so to speak, as I am not fishing this particular tournament and don't care either way, it just seemed this might be a grey area rules wise, but maybe I am completely off base. Opinions please and someone set me straight if I am wrong. Here is the scenario:
Team tournament on a lake where the regulation is as follows: anglers can keep 5 bass in any combo of species, but only 2 may be under 18 inches. The tournament is allowing each team to bring in 4 unders for the team. I guess where I am confused is does the regulation for an angler keeping two unders change in the team format? I would think the only way to do this would be each angler keep up with their own fish seperately and only cull their own fish all day and then combine them at the end of the day (which may be the case, as I said I'm not fishing and just going by what was described on the website). Seems to me that if one angler culled for the other, or one caught all four unders that would be a kind of grey area legally? I would think it would be hard to police. Or am I wrong and the rules change for team tounaments like this? I am not trying to start something just genuinely curious if I am interpreting the law correctly or not? I fished several other tournaments where the team has to conform to the two unders rule, maybe its up to the tournament director? Anyone know for sure?
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Re: Rule interpretation
[Re: balata9999]
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01/24/15 02:29 AM
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SC-001
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BLT alan henry? Legally a group of anglers can keep double the bag limit in your livewell but no more so I don't believe there is any rule against mixing and matching between people on the boat, I believe thats the way guides have always done it with white bass, keep catching until you reach the possession limit, doesn't matter if one individual angler catches more than the bag limit.
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Re: Rule interpretation
[Re: balata9999]
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01/24/15 03:00 AM
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pil,b
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Re: Rule interpretation
[Re: balata9999]
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01/24/15 03:02 AM
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Fishspanker
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Bag Limits are technically per person. If it's 5 bass then each can have 5. You can't have one guy with 7 and the other with 3. However they don't enforce it that way.
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Re: Rule interpretation
[Re: SC-001]
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01/24/15 03:05 AM
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Fishspanker
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BLT alan henry? Legally a group of anglers can keep double the bag limit in your livewell but no more so I don't believe there is any rule against mixing and matching between people on the boat, I believe thats the way guides have always done it with white bass, keep catching until you reach the possession limit, doesn't matter if one individual angler catches more than the bag limit. Technically it does but they don't enforce it that way. But in this case they are setting up a rule designed to violate the technical regulation . They should say a Angler can only keep two unders but a team can have 4.
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Re: Rule interpretation
[Re: balata9999]
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01/24/15 01:28 PM
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I really don't like fishin those kind of mixed size limit tourneys.
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Re: Rule interpretation
[Re: balata9999]
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01/24/15 03:47 PM
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WAWI
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Ivie has a deal like that, I have fished tourneys that only allow 2 and ones that take 4. I don't spend much time worrying about it.
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Re: Rule interpretation
[Re: balata9999]
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01/24/15 04:22 PM
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Skeeter man ZX225
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So quit fishing tournaments on slot lakes and your problems will be solved. (just an opinion)I personally don't like them but do fish some of them, my dislikes are the larger clubs that allow jackpotters, so you go to lakes like Fork and there are 30 more names fishing that you wont see at any of the other lakes on their schedule, but it is all about the money. So you can live with the rules or fish something else. The game wardens more than likely will not check every boat that has 4 unders to see which anglers caught which fish. Unless there is a lot of complaints registered with the Parks and Wildlife dept. Good luck
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Re: Rule interpretation
[Re: balata9999]
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01/25/15 12:49 AM
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Razorback
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If you catch a keeper fish and give it to someone else does it count against your limit for the day?
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Re: Rule interpretation
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01/25/15 02:12 AM
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Bobby Milam
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If you didn't keep it then no it shouldn't count against your limit BUT the rule that was initially posted one only one rule out of the tournament. You would have to read all of the rules because I would bet that it is covered somewhere else such as you can't get information from anyone else on tournament days and etc.
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Re: Rule interpretation
[Re: balata9999]
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01/25/15 03:37 AM
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sprigsss
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When I first read this I kind of shrugged it off. But now that I think about it, it seems like most rules state that you must abide by all state rules and regulations.
Although I think it would be a bit ridiculous to keep your short fish separate to make sure a team doesn't weigh in 3 short fish caught by 1 angler. At the end of the day the fish are getting released.
Probably would have been several 2 and 3 fish stringers at Alan Henry today.
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Re: Rule interpretation
[Re: balata9999]
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01/25/15 03:49 AM
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cephusjoe
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I wish there was more team fishing around here... Top 5
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Re: Rule interpretation
[Re: balata9999]
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01/25/15 03:52 AM
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Thad Rains
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I run the Friday night working man's T on AH in the spring, summer and fall. Our tournament is an individual T and no sharing is allowed. Being an individual T, you can also fish 3 or 4 to a boat, as long as you follow USCG regs on number of people in the boat. I saw where there were 2 overs brought to the scales on Fork in a recent T, so each angler got to keep one. Wouldn't that be a nice problem to have. Did one angler catch both of the overs? or did they each catch one? Dunno. In my opinion, it is a TEAM tournament and thus, sharing of short fish is allowed, even though this might be against the state rules. I will have to ask the BRA what their interpretation is. It might be different answers from each authority you ask, too, so who knows. Hope this helps.
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Re: Rule interpretation
[Re: balata9999]
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01/25/15 04:09 PM
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Shawn Mead
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The only way you can bring Fork into this discussion is if you are comparing the "overs". Most, if not all, Team tournament trails do not allow multiple overs brought to the scale by the same team. I don't know of one if it does exist but the chances are slim for it to even be a problem. That is if we are talking about a 5 fish bag limit in a team format
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Re: Rule interpretation
[Re: balata9999]
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01/26/15 05:25 AM
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David Burton
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Bag limit would be per person, but it isn't a catch limit. In the scenario, a fish is 'transferred' to the other person. This is the same situation with Big Bass tournaments on Fork. Once you weigh in an over, you are free to catch another.
As to Team tournaments on Fork with multiple overs per team. I saw a few on Bass Champs last year where each Team Member caught an over, so the team was allowed to poses two and weigh them in. It encourages Teams to fish instead of individuals as a team.
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