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Long vs Short
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03/25/15 05:38 AM
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jagg
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I don't know if we've covered this ground before, and if we have, consider it bring it up for the newer guys on the board.
From the polls I created and put out there in my last post, it looks like the majority of yall are fishing with rods 5'6" and under with the next biggest group fishing 6' rods and under. I would just like to know why? I'm not trying to start an argument or be a troll or anything. I sincerely want to know the advantages of fishing the shorter rods or the different water and/or bank conditions that make a shorter rod the better choice compared to a 6' or over rod. I also want to know if any of you guys who fish shorter rods have tried longer rods. I appreciate any input. Thanks!
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Re: Long vs Short
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03/25/15 01:24 PM
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jeffnsa
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It's easier to use when casting from shore around and under trees. I love fishing creeks that have heavy cover with small clearings to fish from.
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Re: Long vs Short
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03/25/15 01:36 PM
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It's easier to use when casting from shore around and under trees. I love fishing creeks that have heavy cover with small clearings to fish from. Totally Agree. I also use a short ultra light for the very same reasons. I fish a lot of "close quarter" places that have some very limited areas to cast or flip. Short ultra lights work super in those places. Ultra Lights also work very well while fishing docks and tree overhangs on rivers and lakes. Just my two cents.
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Re: Long vs Short
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03/25/15 03:35 PM
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ckwilson25
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I like them because they seem like more of an UL. I have a 6' UL Micro Lite and doesn't seem near as limber as a 5' Shakespeare.
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Re: Long vs Short
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03/25/15 04:11 PM
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Smithaven
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I use the 4 1/2 foot Microlite rods because I fish from a pier and the longer rods are always hitting something. Also, the short rods have a better feel as mentioned above. I think I can place the bait more accurately with the short rod.
I use a 7 foot light action rod when fishing for crappie or trout from the open bank. I use a 6 foot medium action for bass, catfish and carp.
I own light action rods from 4 1/2 feet to 10 feet, and I definitely prefer the short rods for sunfish, rigged with a slip bobber, split shot and #8 hook.
Last edited by Smithaven; 03/25/15 07:13 PM. Reason: expand answer
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Re: Long vs Short
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03/25/15 05:53 PM
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J-Moe
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It's easier to use when casting from shore around and under trees. I love fishing creeks that have heavy cover with small clearings to fish from. +1
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Re: Long vs Short
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03/25/15 08:32 PM
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keebranch
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OK my them of short v long is relative since it's a short fly rod. When using a short 2wt rod most folks think of a 6'6" rod. I think of a short rod as 6 feet or under for use in tight quarters, especially when I'm wading small vegetation choked creeks here in north Texas. The casts I use are short rolls or Bow-and-arrow style which allows me to place a fly very close to fish hiding in ambush points.
Are many of you using conventional tackle using very similar tactics as far a wading up on spots?
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Re: Long vs Short
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03/26/15 01:20 AM
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It's easier to use when casting from shore around and under trees. I love fishing creeks that have heavy cover with small clearings to fish from. This I understand and completely agree with. I love fishing creeks from shore and from a canoe or kayak and when I'm fishing them for Sunfish (which is most of the time) I use a 6' Light power Fast action. The nimbleness of the shorter rod combined with the accuracy a shorter rod can achieve is a big advantage when you have very small windows you can fish from and cast into.
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Re: Long vs Short
[Re: banker-always fishing]
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03/26/15 01:51 AM
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Ultra Lights also work very well while fishing docks and tree overhangs on rivers and lakes. Just my two cents. This I'm not so sure on. I have fished many a dock in my day and have always found myself wanting more reach and not less. Now if the dock you're fishing has a brushpile right in front of it, then casting is not really an issue, but even when I've fished a dock with a brushpile 20' from the dock, there has still been many times when I saw signs of and/or suspected fish were just out of the range of my shorter rods. As far as fishing tree lines go, I guess it just depends on what vantage you are fishing the tree lines from. If you are fishing from shore under the tree lines, I can see fair reasons why you would want to fish with a shorter rod. Although, unless you are fishing on a bank lined with willows, a few learned casting techniques would still make a longer rod more desirable for me since I put a premium on casting distance and being able to get a good hookset at distance. Now as to casting to a tree line from another bank or boat of some sort, I would feel much more comfortable with a longer rod in my hands. It maybe because I forced myself to learn different casting techniques and angles, but that's just how I fish now. I have a shorter rods for dock shooting, but for casting under low hanging tree limbs, I have learned a roll, skipping or underhand pitch can get my lure deeper under those spots than a shorter rod can, for me at least. And I have more angles to get a good hookest on the fish and can get more leverage on it to get it out of some gnarly places faster. Which kinda brings me to my next question: do you guys pitch with your shorter rods? As far as accuracy and control of the presentation in a radius of about 10'-20' goes, it's hard to beat bass style "pitching" with a longer rod. I grant that I have never tried pitching with a shorter rod unless you count trying to pitch to another spot further down the creek bank with my 6'er. I was introduced to UL and L power bream/crappie pitching from an old Pro in TN when I was stationed there. He could absolutely pick apart a bed of stick ups and reeds just by pitching a tube with a insert jighead with or without a small cork. It was uncanny. At the time he was using a 8' Light power rod that he had had a local rod builder make from a fly rod and 6lb test. I'm sure he still is. It was much like the type of swinging you would do with a cane/bream pole but with added range. Just my and something to think about.
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Re: Long vs Short
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03/26/15 03:52 AM
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jagg
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I use the 4 1/2 foot Microlite rods because I fish from a pier and the longer rods are always hitting something. Also, the short rods have a better feel as mentioned above. I think I can place the bait more accurately with the short rod.
I use a 7 foot light action rod when fishing for crappie or trout from the open bank. I use a 6 foot medium action for bass, catfish and carp.
I own light action rods from 4 1/2 feet to 10 feet, and I definitely prefer the short rods for sunfish, rigged with a slip bobber, split shot and #8 hook.
I agree longer rods can be more cumbersome and more difficult to stow and transport. Shorter rods can be more sensitive when it comes to cheaper rods and/or glass/graphite hybrid rods, but in my experience, more sophisticated graphite rods don't differ much in sensitivity in their shorter 1-piece rods and longer 1-piece rods. In my experience with the BPS Micro Lite Graphite rods (like the 4.5' I believe you are referencing SH) I have noticed a very slight dip in sensitivity from the 6' 1-piece L to the 7'6" 2-piece UL. I imagine that the cause for the dip in sensitivity is more to due with the 2-piece construction although I know that it is more difficult to build a sensitive rod in longer lengths. Rod builders have grown by leaps and bounds on this front though. In my experience, I have noticed that I feel and enjoy the fight more on longer UL rods. The length deftly adds more control over the hooked fish by adding more shock absorption, there by making it harder for the fish to get slack or put breaking point pressure on the line/hook/rod. At the same time the length also makes the fight more dramatic and unpredictable in UL models. Again, this is all just my and experience. I greatly appreciate and respect the experience and opinions that you guys have so far shared and welcome any others to join in.
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Re: Long vs Short
[Re: jagg]
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03/26/15 03:55 AM
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Ultra Lights also work very well while fishing docks and tree overhangs on rivers and lakes. Just my two cents. This I'm not so sure on. I have fished many a dock in my day and have always found myself wanting more reach and not less. Now if the dock you're fishing has a brushpile right in front of it, then casting is not really an issue, but even when I've fished a dock with a brushpile 20' from the dock, there has still been many times when I saw signs of and/or suspected fish were just out of the range of my shorter rods. As far as fishing tree lines go, I guess it just depends on what vantage you are fishing the tree lines from. If you are fishing from shore under the tree lines, I can see fair reasons why you would want to fish with a shorter rod. Although, unless you are fishing on a bank lined with willows, a few learned casting techniques would still make a longer rod more desirable for me since I put a premium on casting distance and being able to get a good hookset at distance. Now as to casting to a tree line from another bank or boat of some sort, I would feel much more comfortable with a longer rod in my hands. It maybe because I forced myself to learn different casting techniques and angles, but that's just how I fish now. I have a shorter rods for dock shooting, but for casting under low hanging tree limbs, I have learned a roll, skipping or underhand pitch can get my lure deeper under those spots than a shorter rod can, for me at least. And I have more angles to get a good hookest on the fish and can get more leverage on it to get it out of some gnarly places faster. Which kinda brings me to my next question: do you guys pitch with your shorter rods? As far as accuracy and control of the presentation in a radius of about 10'-20' goes, it's hard to beat bass style "pitching" with a longer rod. I grant that I have never tried pitching with a shorter rod unless you count trying to pitch to another spot further down the creek bank with my 6'er. I was introduced to UL and L power bream/crappie pitching from an old Pro in TN when I was stationed there. He could absolutely pick apart a bed of stick ups and reeds just by pitching a tube with a insert jighead with or without a small cork. It was uncanny. At the time he was using a 8' Light power rod that he had had a local rod builder make from a fly rod and 6lb test. I'm sure he still is. It was much like the type of swinging you would do with a cane/bream pole but with added range. Just my and something to think about. A smaller rod helps me hit the inner slips better. I can also flip a smaller rod between two separate docks better than with a long pole. Again it's probably just me and my preference.
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Re: Long vs Short
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03/26/15 11:41 AM
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Smithaven
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I have waffled back and forth over the years on rod length. I have spent a lot of money on long graphite rods, but I have come back to the short rods. Modern rods in any length are superior to the old rods.
When it comes right down to it any of the modern graphite or fiberglass rods in the hands of a skilled user will do the job.
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Re: Long vs Short
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03/26/15 11:57 AM
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J-Moe
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Re: Long vs Short
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03/26/15 03:55 PM
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Laker One
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Usually use a long a rod while fishing from a boat or kayak. If I am fishing on docks or the bank love using my short poles.
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Re: Long vs Short
[Re: J-Moe]
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03/31/15 11:30 PM
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jagg
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'Ppreciate it J-Moe. Maybe I should have thought of that when I was doing a lot of not fishing in Germany.
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