Physical differences Bull Red & Big Ugly

So I have posted these pictures before and I always assumed that they were all big ole black drum. My neighbor saw the pictures and was completely convinced that one of them was a bull red. I didn't think so because it didn't have a distinguished black dot. It has some black marks on it, but assumed that it was normal for big uglies. So is there any distinguishing characteristics between big uglies and big reds? Help me prove my neighbor wrong

Big Uglies




Fish In Question


I still think it is a big black drum. Just maybe not as ugly as most. hahaha. Any expertise is appreaciated

Barbels under the chin = black drum.

I've read that they cross breed though.

Perfect! Thank you so much.

Redfish don't necessarily have black spots, although most do.

Your fish is definitely a black drum like Parker said.

yep

All those are black drum.

and still very ugly

Here is a couple of big nasty bulls we caught while looking for big Trout during the winter. Both were caught on Corky's and both were released.

AQUA PIMP

Dang!

Man the question is where are you catching those bulls at lol.. nice fish

X2, and some have multiple spots.

BC, Those are black drum for sure.

Thanks for the confirmation folks. After showing my neighbor he conceded that this many fishermen can't be wrong

And man just fishing off my families dock in Sargent, Tx. Fishing into the ICW directly across from the public boat launch. Plenty of area to cast out a line from the launch side.