Useless academics/education

Just had a conversation with a kid that works at the detail shop. He just graduated with a degree in Liberal Arts. And can't find work.......

Imagine that. It's about 1 step above Under Water Basket Weaving IMO.

Why would you waste time getting a piece of paper for that?

I guess not everyone can be a natural born badass like you?

That's crazy talk.

He is either a pot head, or has no drive.

Everybody should just get a STEM degree...that way burger flippers and barista's can count out your change without using a calculator.

I thought the same. But he seems fairly clean cut, in shape. Well mannered.

Hell I offered him a shop hand job....may interview him tomorrow.

You interview people for hand .....
Nevermind, not my business

SHOP hand = shop helper. Come on guy.

Nobody wants to be moto's hand....

You're hired big boy.

Chapter II ought to be interesting

Moto,

You've seen a lot of them in Recruiting.

Girls, booze, and Daddy's dollars

Dang when I worked in a shop a simple atta boy would have been nice. You go above and beyond.

You need a job?

I'm not sold on these modern management techniques.

I have a BS in economics, it doesn't have alot of use day to day. That's why I flip burgers.

College is not vocational training.

LOL

A job as a shop hand works much better. Not nearly as amusing though.

You don't say.....

A degree doesn't always show how smart, or not, you are. It shows you have the ability and willingness to learn.
What does a Business degree really qualify you to do?
You don't have to have an Accounting degree to become a CPA, but it makes it a little easier.
My wife has a BA in Art History but she has been practicing Law for 30 years.

I wouldn't get too excited .... it's probably a reach around.

So what do you call a Bachelors, Masters, or doctorate in nursing, medical doctor etc.
There are actually many degrees you get in college that are also vocations. Very good ones.
But they are difficult so most do not go that route.

RN Nursing degree(BSN) = 100% job placement.

Still kinda amazes me how many positions require/filled because of a Bachelors degree requirement vs. years of experience.

Companies have no clue how much talent their passing up. A perfect example is the military Senior NCO.

IMO a BA is way over rated.

Entry level "so and so." Bachelors required, masters preferred. 3-5 years experience. Must have 2+ experience in XXX, YYY, and ZZZ. 35k a year...no benefits.

All of the above mentioned jobs are 100%

I always enjoy the construction job openings that want a resume, really?

since the 70's commercial const. has been a job by job hire on process for gen. contractors. listing all of ones work could easily take 7-8 pages for anyone that has done it 10 yrs or more.
pointless step in the process and proves nothing, you can tell more about a hand by looking at their tools and hands than what is printed on paper.


the other is const. super. degree required, don't have to have a days worth of experience to take over a multi million $ job as long as you have a pc of paper that says you graduated.

When I was in high school in the late 90s/early 2000s, all I ever heard was along the lines of "just get a degree, doesn't matter what it is, just get a degree".

In retrospect, that was total BS.

Why do students getting a BS in nursing take English literature or world history classes? Why do electrical engineering majors getting a BS take biology and anthropology and psychology?

If I thought my college education was confined to what degree I have or what I learned in books, I would have surely missed a great experience in my life.

And why is it the people who bash college degrees are the ones without one.

This happens because kids decide they want to major in something that's "cool" and that interests them instead of majoring in something that has a future of employability and profits. You have parents, HS counselors, and college admissions reps filling these kids heads with "you can do whatever you put your mind to" BS or the "you just need a degree in anything to get your foot in the door". Then the student enrolls because the subjects seem "cool" and because he/she has been told how ridiculously easy a Liberal Arts degree is to obtain. None of the students support team sits them down and has honest conversations about the direction certain degree plans will lead you to. I work in higher education and see it every day.

But of course, it's ridiculous that we as a society require a degree to get a job in just about anything; when 98% of careers can be easily done without a college degree.

That degree will get you the best job in the world imo. Pilot, or most any commissioned job in the armed forces

True dat.

Not bashing all of them. But some of them are absolutely worthless, or don't pay enough to pay back student loans in a timely manner....if they choose to follow that path.....and not the military like E8 said.

Many colleges encourage social activism and grow that useless gaggle of lost souls instead of the skills a graduate will need for a job.

All it takes to be a butterbar O1 is a college degree. That, and the ability to be completely inept while giving the appearance of being in charge.

Because college is just a jobs program for pampered, tenured,
professors with no accountability for the sad sacks that come out of institutions of higher student loans.

I agree and as I've said before, don't lump together someone with a Culinary Arts degree from El Centro with an Ivy League graduate

No offense to El Centro intended

Please point out where I lumped them all together.

I'll wait......

I eat lunch with 6-8 older fishing buddies couple times a week...with one exception,all of us are college grads and all of us were/are self employed,partners or top management...subject came up one day about what did you learn in college that benefitted in your working career and none of us could come with any value of a degree except to get your foot in the door.....
I do believe going to college does help you socially in that it exposes you to a lot of people generally that come from different backgrounds....that allows you to interact better with people at whatever company you go to work after graduation...that's probably not a good explanation of what I'm trying to say but you take somebody that spent 4 years as a manual laborer right out of high school then applies for a job as a salesman for a fortune 500 company,he's probably not gonna get hired but if he does,his co-workers are gonna treat him like he got off a turnip truck...
incidently the the one fishing buddy above without a college degree managed a large ag-related business and probably made more money than all of us...

Not really anymore. You better have something they want or you'll be lower on the acceptance list which basically means you will never fill an available slot for entry into OCS.

Can we stop arguing. I want to hear more about your legendary recruiting tactics.

That was funny!

"Phrasing"

An education is what you make of it. Sometimes you can land a good job with a Liberal Arts degree, most of the times, however, that is not the case. One of the biggest problems I have come across since working at a university is the number of students that have never had a job...and then graduate expecting to earn the top pay for their new career...they have absolutely no experience (not even a carhop at Sonic), but want $80,000/year because they have a degree. I do encourage most of my coworkers to at the very least get an internship in their field of study to help them land a job after they graduate.

I still, however, cannot figure out how a college degree helps in most sales jobs. That's pretty much a personality thing, coupled with the ability to learn one's product and present it in an easily understood/desirable manner.

These days you'd do well to have a STEM degree to get accepted. A BA in "General Studies" or similar ain't going to cut it.

Oh lawd that has to be a good story. Let me guess - "Why sure Billy. We'll sign you up for basic and when you finish the culinary specialist AIT course they can send you right into helicopter pilot training. We do that all the time..."

Why are you so aggressive?

Anyway, you've ALWAYS been dismissive of "corporate pukes" and have drawn a line in the sand when it comes to the suits, i.e., the educated ones.

Stop being soft.

Plenty of educated nonsuit wearing types out there. Suits are for suckers anyway

Colleges that offer degrees whose primary future is a minimum wage job should lose their public funding. Nobody who is going to make $7 an hour should be allowed to take on $100k worth of debt to do it.

It's fine if you want to flip burgers, style hair, fix cars, or build stuff, but you don't need a college degree to do it and colleges shouldn't be allowed to trick you into thinking that your future involves something that pays more than you could make as a 16 year old kid working at wal mart. Business degrees, STEM, etc. are great, but there are far too many kids in stuff that isn't job-related at all. I read a story one time about a foreign student who came here and got a PhD in Art History and racked up $300k in debt and went back to their home country where the debt doesn't follow them and never paid a dime for it.

JMHO

I hear that. Sucker in a suit got ripped up one side and down the other for undue influence today, granted it was not his fault it was his team. I wear a suit to funerals and weddings. Outside of that I am out on that carp.

Impossible. If you have a degree......I bettah not catch you without a suit on son!

My paper trumps his in this case... You though my dumbarse had a degree

Stupid degrees get stupid jobs.

Any word on if the foreign exchange student you referenced is currently working in the Art History industry?

Many times it's just shows initiative. A desire to better ones self. If I had it to do over I may have got a different degree. That said if I had I probably would have had a different job and life may not have worked out as well. It's all a [censored] shoot anyway.

I got the same experience in dealing with people from all different backgrounds in the Corps it just doesn't transfer to the civilian world. But hey our vets are more than welcome to be long haul truck drivers.

I had Statistics courses in my field of study. I neither majored nor minored in it...just had to take some classes. I'm going to apply some of what I think I remember, to this post. Caution: Any conclusions drawn from the data presented COULD be subject to Sample Size Error.

mu point...

WTH are liberal arts?

Sounds like it does not pay very well so I never looked into it either.

It means you paid a ton of money for a degree that taught you no skills needed to find employment. No one cares how you interpret the meaning of a painting in a gallery nor do they want you do give them a book report of the last book you read.

My sister got a history degree from Baylor... This is on point lol

That about covers it.

I agree. I got my degree in CRJ from UNLV while working full time and taking a full load of courses. It taught me to stick to something and work hard for your goal. Now that degree in CRJ has not done anything for me professionally. But I have it.

I spent some time at Yale doing a volunteer gig last year and it was amazing being around some of the brightest minds in the world. In talking to the students some were there for a degree to make money. Some were there just to become more well rounded and educated humans...and then see where the money shows up.

I can appreciate that. Education for the sole sake of learning is a good thing.

Not necessarily. A lot of music degrees are Liberal Arts degrees. I have several clients that have BA in music and are doing quite well...some are teachers, some are in orchestras, etc. Others are interpreters, again, doing quite well. I also have some clients that are glass blowers...and they are not doing as well with their Bachelor of Arts degree...It really depends on the field of study.

Well said. There is more to life than making money. Everyone needs to make a living, and borrow responsibly if they feel the need for a degree, but chasing money is not everyone's priority. Most musicians and artists, for example, are broke holding degrees that many would consider useless, but the world is a more interesting place with the music, sculptures and paintings they produce.

Agree 110%. Life is too short for all that business.

having worked for several years for the A.C.Nielsen Co. I wouldn't disagree with you on sample size nor does it represent the broad curriculum many colleges do offer...probably had the group included doctors,engineers and architects,the response would have different....we do have one guy who majored in accounting and was a CPA and partner in an accounting firm and he said almost everything he learned about accounting in college,he had to "unlearn" when he went to work....0

Who doesn't like money?

Money = more vacations, more hobbies, more cool experiences with your family.

I love money. And I make as much as I can, in the shortest amount of time possible.

Damn straight. How else am I going to take over the world if I don't have $?

Facebook, Google, and Amazon are way too ahead of that game.

Money is fine, but I will say that the divorce rate for corporate executives, business owners, etc. is much, much higher than the rest of the population. In fact, never every executive at our company that I know is divorced at least once. Chasing money is a lifestyle that some people choose and some people don't. It's not purely a question of whether you like money or not - it's a question of whether you like money enough to sacrifice other pieces of your life for it. Some do, and some don't.

For me, I'll take my middle class salary and my middle class family and enjoy life in the slow lane. My aspirations for the next 10 years have almost nothing to do with work and everything to do with family.

ETA: My home builder is the same way - that dude banks serious cash, but he's divorced with a broken family and has serious anger issues due to his low-T medication. Could be a super nice guy with a chill life and a great family if he wasn't so geared towards constantly maximizing how much money he makes.

Well said. Watching lot of my buddies live 3 weeks (plus) in the West Texas oil patch and one week at home. Missing their kids birthdays, holidays, ect. Pretty darn sad.....kids grow up way to fast to miss those years. Before long they will be 18, and gone from home. Then you will have time for working 3 weeks away. Plus at the rate of college education, you will need all that extra overtime.

Money doesn't buy happiness. Ever heard that term?

That was made up by people who don't have money to make themselves feel better....

CORRECT!!

On the flip side, most people equate more money with working longer. Not always the case.

Also, plenty of jobs in the patch with great pay and great hours. But if you choose to work in oilfield, but live where it's less active.....then you're gonna travel.

As for me, I make solid cash, travel 2.5 days a week, work from home the rest, raise Two kids, and I've missed one softball game throughout either of their lives.

Some call it fortunate, some call it lucky.....call it whatever. I call it LIVIN.

I took a 30k pay cut to stay home with the kids. Once they are grown I'll travel again or move closer to the money but for now we live upper middle class, I'm home every night and I'm happy.

It could still be a ticket to OCS if he's inclined. My 400 lb nephew got a degree in physical education and wondered why he couldn't get a job teaching. So he went to Grad school and will get his Masters in Administration in August. My bet is he'll still be unemployed or under employed. Sad too, cause he is a good kid.

Absolutely. My point is that a high paying job does not guarantee a happy life/family. There aren't many sweet gigs around that pay really well without demanding big sacrifices from you to succeed, but they are around.

I recall reading a study that sampled a bunch of people from very poor to very rich to see how satisfied they were with their life/situation. In the publication was a graph with a bell-curve representing the results of their satisfaction survey that peaked somewhere in upper middle class with many, but fewer, people satisfied in the rich and poor ranges of earning.

It's ok to be satisfied and content with modest earnings. We, as a society, do need to get off of this endless college-mill that says you have to get a degree to get a good job. That is crippling a lot of folks for decades who would have been just as happy and just as well off by learning a useful trade to get an 8-5 job during the work week to fund the stuff that they like to do in their free time.

Just the opposite as far as what I have seen for divorce rate. I have been in management for many years trying to think of one upper level executive that got a divorce while working for this company...there simply isn't one. My only real comment here is I don't think you can come to any real conclusions based on the company you work at it is possible the divorce rate is higher for executives but my guess is it is much higher for folks in fields such as medical, dental, law enforcement, entertainment...etc.

Hmmm, seems like a lot of guys without degrees are frustrated here. Kinda speaks for itself.

I'm not seeing it. Please point it out.

No degree here, you're mistaking motivation for frustration.

I doesnt buy happiness,but sure makes life easier...

Looks like you have it balanced quite well.I have seen some of my friends that chased the money too hard and family suffered marriage crumbled etc.....looks like you have it rolling good..

I do pretty well. Going through a divorce, but has zero to do with work.

Life is good amigo.

My life was much less complicated when i didn't make much money--but, of course, I didn't have kids.

May need another. Surely, one or both is worn out by now....

Just an FYI... Liberal Arts degrees and Fine Arts degrees are different things.

I have a degree in Music Education from the college of Fine Arts.

A liberal arts degree is kind of like a hodge podge degree that requires classes from various subjects that aren't "basics" to complete the degree plan. So instead of taking a serious theatre course like a major would, they may take Theatre appreciation instead. It's kind of like knowing a little bit about everything. My father in law went back to college in his 40's and got a liberal arts degree only because he couldn't move up in the Forest Service past a certain point without a degree. He is definitely not the typical liberal arts major.

A lot of my friends got Music Performance degrees because they didn't want to teach and it's faster/easier. Then they found out there's no real chance of them getting a gig with a professional orchestra because the people who get those gigs keep them until they die...literally.

All my deadbeat friends were Sociology majors.

I think statistics will show that those with degrees, including liberal art degrees, make significantly more money over a life time than those without degrees. That is not to say that many without degrees do very well. But generally speaking, a degree helps one appreciate many aspects of life other than just making money.

I wish I had a degree in plumbing

She's way too old for another plumber that frequents here.

I would also say.....Danny boy.....that fancy book learnin hasn't been very good to you......especially if you're broke enough to have to cut the cord, use junk cricket wireless and rent a room out.

You got your suit on i hope?

No degree here, was once told i would never get the job ive had for the past 19 years without one. I proved them wrong, i found my niche and worked damn hard. I was lucky, my kids are going to college and we have steered them toward meaningful degrees, one heading toward law and the second is engineering. The third prolly live in a dumpster, but hey, we will see.

I use Cricket wireless....

Don't be cheap.

Dan & Moto......

You weren't lucky sir.....you earned via hard work.

Congratulations on the kiddos.

That's you and your little brother Dan. Yall twins now.

More classics from you dum juan.

I do those things not because I am broke. Quite the opposite. I plan to retire when I am your age bud. Learned all about how to make that happen in post college extracurricular education.

Hope you get that anger under control. It can cause a stroke or heart attack etc.

Liberal Arts and 98% of every other degree are useless in preparing you to do the job and hand. Unfortunately, society has put a stigma that you can't be a receptionist without a degree. I only have an Associates degree that I finished last month and yet I'm a finance director for a University and do quite well financially. Not a single college class I've ever taken helps me be a better director and I could train anyone on how to do it. I'd rather see people with work experience over a degree. Outside of a handful of professions, a degree is useless but our society thinks it's a pre-req to the job force.

This is still going on?

Yes, to a degree.

I have a bill that says you cannot make that happen. Just a friendly bet on this observation. Yall go back to trying to get each other banned now

He's all chatter. He has my digits if he really had something to say.

I'll continue Counter punching

After working at a university for over 2 years, I am amazed at how many people are there and have absolutely no clue as to what they want to do when they graduate. I also find it rather odd the different classes they can/must take in order to complete their degree, whether or not it actually pertains to their field of study.

You and I both know that's BS. Let's at least be real here.

Moto and Dan,
Y'all didn't ask for my input, but here it is anyway.

Quit it. Stop. Enough.

I need a beef partner

Salt is more dangerous than anger. I learned that in college.

Was this after you retired as an SR-71 pilot?

Ok. Let's be real.

How many times you been cuffed? Be real.

DUI huh? Be real.

How many NJP you get? Be real.

Red Ranger... you said you were going to punch him in the face when you saw him cuz he made racist comments. What did you do when you actually saw him? You shook his hand and bought him a beer huh? Let's be real.

You bully anybody on here who you think is weak but you suck up to anybody who you think might have some support. Let's be real here.

Every time you attack me I have to clear my private messages because I get so many PMs about what a dick head you are from guys I don't even know. Let's be real here.

You've been banned so many times it's ridiculous. You're technically still on a band for the full year for being disrespectful to everyone. Let's be real.

Check your name bro. Dom Juan. That's what the powers-that-be think about you. Let's be real.

You don't even fish but you troll a fishing forum. Go troll some sort of hot rod forum. Or 5 time loser dating app. Something you have some knowledge of...let's be real here.

PS. You owe me two cases of Dallas Blondes...you have my number too why don't you reach out and pay off your bets?

Let's be real here.

degreed or non-degreed?

Wth is a beef partner?

Business Admin proved to be a great degree in the 70's when so many BA's were being handed out like t-shirts at a 5K run.

Ibtl

Like this, I think

Seriously.

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1Shot can you confirm?

Yep.

Same time. I was like doogie howser without the gay.

Let's be real

DD, I hate that picture... Why did you have to bring it back up?

Correct Zach.

Only those that keep it real can be as badass as the king.

I used to watch the hell outta some Doogie Howser MD.

a college degree opens a lot more doors to lucrative jobs than a non degree candidate, it doesn't matter what your degree is in if you want to work hard you can be a success, my daughter graduated with honors and has never worked in her degreed field (english) my son is presently majoring in physics and has had contact with several engineering firms. THe degree is paper that opens doors.

And as an update. Met up with the kid again today for an interview. He did it to please his parents, no plans for after college, took 5 years to graduate. He's got a job making good coin now (UA pending )......he's more than welcome to stay or work until he figures it out.

'Merica.

Great outcome Moto

Heart warming moment

Good to know you got someone to fill the shop hand job

Did his parents pay for his 5 year education?
What a waste of time and money.

Sounds like it turned out well. Graduating college in 4 years is pretty hard to do now.

he's paying for his liberalism

You have someone giving you what kind of job in your shop?

May not happen once mom & dad do a background check on you.....

Good point. They'd probably feel safer if he worked with someone that can't install a simple pool pump.

I thought that y'all were about the same age.

Not everyone is as talented as grease monkey moto......just ask him, he'll tell ya that.....

Student loan interest rates should be variable based on the degree. Want a degree in liberal arts? 12% interest on borrowed funds. Want a loan to be a teacher, engineer, doctor, nurse, mechanic etc... 3%. Let the free market influence what people go for. It'll drive them toward where actual needs lie.

You must be reading and posting Witcher buddy's glasses on today.

Yall so feisty!

Good thread except when hollywood went hollyweird.

And don't feel bad Moto...I think I set the record for the most PMs on what a [censored]head I am.

Never fit in cliques. Not sure why.

Über salty today .. Lil white trashy lil classy I can dig it . Why does everybody have to get so mad ?

I just wish someone with a college degree would teach moto that 4 stroke line trimmers are for Q's.

I have a college degree, and you, sir, are correct.

"Why ya gotta be so mean?" Taylor asks......and also she wants to know how come her booty don't fit your liking?

Probably because we hate you

Well alrighty then ....

What booty?

Hate is an emotion. I guess you get emotional about me.

I can live with that.

I don't hate John

Surprisingly

I don't hate you now

I hate you now

Oh, there are a few thousand reasons.

Numbers, hell no, I do that chit all day

It scares me when mommy and daddy yell at each other.