Cave rescue

2 of the kids now out. Praying the rest make it as well.

4 out now... May God be with those boys and the rescuers.

I'll admit I haven't heard all the story, but how the hell did they get 2mi back in the cave in the first place?

They walked. Then rain flooded the cave.

Hopfully they can get them all out and I feel sure the coach will be answering a few questions on that part.

Said a navy seal rescuer collapsed and died?

On Friday I believe.

A Thai seal died.

those cats are dumb
should have walked them out
the minute somebody walked in & found them

Get real. If it was that simple they would have already done that. Your comments alone show you know zero about the situation if you thought walking out was even an option. You are 10,000 miles away and have not seen any of the terrain or obstacles nor do you have any rescue training to sit back and "solve" their issues they are facing trying to get them out.

Quit trying to derail/troll on a topic like this.

Reports are now that 4-6 of the boys are out of the cave.

They didn't walk in to find them. The had to scuba dive for 5 hours to reach them.

I think we need to redefine �dumb� after that statement.

It was six boys out last I heard.

I haven�t seen 6, just 4 report.

I believe they had to dive for nearly a mile to reach them.

Yup. Some of the proposed solutions involved equipping the boys with scuba gear and being led out by the divers ... or putting them in "body bags" with oxygen masks & extra tanks and being pulled out. Those are desperate ways to retrieve someone, meaning it's not a simple "they should've walked out" scenario.

Are the boys diving to get out? That's pretty impressive for the short amount of time they had to learn how to do it. At some point during the planning stages they talked about keeping them down there until after the raining season, something like three months.

This is great news! I read where it was estimated to take 5 days or some such to get them out, seems to be going faster.

Also, from a psychological perspective, believing you can do something significantly boosts your odds of success. When word of each success gets back to those still trapped, it should increase their confidence - which hopefully leads to continued success.

I guess that's the part of the story I haven't heard. Were they supposed to be in the cave or did they get lost come across it and just keep walking in it? How did they get there in the first place?

Kind of a team initiation thing.

I'm not sure Butch was being serious when he made that comment.

he ran out of air

My understanding is that they were touring the cave. Water started to come up causing them to retreat further and further into the cave.

then is there a cave guide with them? All I've heard is the coach and players.

No guide.

Its not really a subject where jokes and laughter are needed though. Find another post/subject to do that junk on.

I cannot imagine going through what they have gone through, a nightmare. Godspeed

The last I heard which was a few hours ago is they have air tanks staggered along the cave. During the first rescue they depleted all the tanks and it will take some time to refill and replace and let the divers get some rest. The rescue will continue in a few more hours.

My understanding is the kids are wearing a full scuba mask and escorted by 2 divers each. I think they rescued the 4 healthiest kids first to see how the trip would go and the Thai's said it went much better than expected. They are nowhere out of the woods yet but it's looking pretty good.

What a nightmare for all involved

I�ll give credit to the Thai rescuers though, from the pictures I�ve seen, they�ve been very responsive and look to be well equipped to deal with the situation

Looks like we�re back to 4 kids out.

The news is reporting they took out the weakest first. One boy in particular is reportedly not as well as the others. The Thai government is saying all the boys are perfectly fine. Unfortunately, we probably won't know the truth for several hours. From the earliest reports, they've said cave exploring is common over there. I just hope they all make it out without any more loss of life and make a full recovery. Scary ordeal, for sure.

Yes. They are trying to get out 2 more today and start again tomorrow. Then again, they said they want to bring them all out in groups of 4, so who knows?

well
they are bringing them out with scuba gear
why did they wait so long to do this?
i feel bad for the kids
i think the rescue team is indecisive at least

They had to pump out water. They know exactly what they're doing.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thai-cave-rescue-timeline-075857109.html

Read about the timeline, Butch. It�s not as easy as you apparently think it is. They were found several kilometers back and it�s not just an easy in and out. There are forks inside the cave. Rescuers only knew which cave they might be in because they saw handprints.

Dam Butch, I try to like you and then you say chit like this.

I'm sure butch knows how to rescue people from caves with his sprinkler knowledge . If you can make a sprinkler run, you can rescue people from caves because they both involve water

Really, you should stop trolling.

Been following this story since the soccer team went missing. Prayers to all involved. Cannot imagine the physical, mental, and technical challenges involved. Huge. Looking forward to reading a book from one of the rescuers someday. It should be an amazing story (and hopefully one with no more lives being lost than the Thai SEAL).

i am not
look back at Baby Jessica - Evacuating the flood victims in Hoston - Apollo 13 - Dunkirk - Fireman saving the people during 9-11
there was no script for any of these scenarios
they took risky action to save them
& it worked

Damn Butch, you didn't look that dense, at that b-b-que get together in Arlington!!!!

were you there?
i didn't get to talk to the folks on my far left
i'm not

No matter what you do in life, you will always encounter Butch-like comments. Some people wait to jump on the Butch-horse after something goes wrong. Others will Butch-up before you�ve even started or after you�ve started and are actually experiencing success (like in this case).

Prayers up for the boys...and the rescuers, who by all accounts are doing some outstanding work!

Butch there is always a script!!!!! I am a rescue diver and went thru many of weeks of training at the Fire Dept. You sit down with the crews and go over what you think is the safest way to complete the task with the least chance of problems! You make a plan and make sure everyone is on the same page, that helps to keep "gotchas" from bitting you in the A$$ !!!!!

Let it go. You are clueless on the subject.

One of the complications, from earlier reports, was that locals were 'draining' the cave, but instead, they were actually returning the water to the cave that the rescuers had been draining...This is monsoon season over there...it was a bad time for the coach o take them on an excursion. I'm amazed they were found alive.

Here are two graphics that explain what the plan is and what the obstacles are. Click on them to enlarge.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jasonlockecz/status/1015812820196212736

thats not going to get you in the cliche

Hopefully in about 3 more hours they will resume rescue efforts. It's 3:49 a.m. over there...just need the sun to rise again...

Butch, how do you explain the Thai Navy Seal, who is a very experienced diver, dying trying to get to the boys if this is such an easy task.

I think if we would just put Gary on a plane from Ft. Worth he would have them out in a couple of hours.

Gary would drink all the water up & they would walk out
Gary is a man of action

Wow, idk what to say

Yep

Butch is just bored.

Save the jokes for another thread. Last warning.

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast...sion-impossible

Oh well, �ya can�t win �em all�...�that�s just the way the cookie crumbles�.

Dang it.

Brave men die during serious operations. May the diver rest in Valhalla, and the other boys make it out to live another day.

Again Butch if they can just walk out how in the world did the Thai Navy Seal die?

any updates?

The whole ordeal is nuts .
Couple of stupid questions :
How did they get back in there ?
And why were they there in the first place?
How were they found way back in there ?

Fingers crossed there are no more casualties.

I�ll provide what I THINK I know. If anything below is inaccurate someone please correct it.
1.) How did they get back in there, and 2.) Why were they in there in the first place.

Apparently the existence of caves in that area is well known. It�s an activity people choose to do for enjoyment, adventure, recreation, challenge...etc. A youth soccer coach thought it would be a fun activity to do with his team. Obviously there�s always risk involved, and in this particular cave system, flooding is a risk they were either unaware of or thought they could roll the dice on.

My 100% speculation, based on my experience with kids - especially boys - that age, is that excitement and sense of adventure can cancel out any/all common sense. With what little I know about you Nickbyrd, imagine you leading a group of boys that age that are having the time of their life...and they�re constantly excited and hounding you...�Come on Nickbyrd. It�s not that far and we have plenty of time to get back, let�s just go up around this next section...�. Well, their coach probably got caught up in it, used horrible judgement and gave in. With rain, water started coming in and they got trapped far back, perhaps even moved further back to a section that would allow them better protection from rising water.

3.) How were they found back there?
There were some boys who either couldn�t go or decided not to go. When the team came up missing, the boys who didn�t go, knew the team had been exploring the cave. Once others who knew the caves found out, they knew about what occurs with the water in there with rain. They had no choice but to take experienced (with layout of the cave, traversing it with high water...etc.) folks and go in the cave as far as they could - to try find them. They did.

8 boys now out!

Fox said 5 this morning they must be making quick work now. Thanks for filling me in saw horse

5 hours to get to the trapped boys and 6 hours to get them back out, under some of the worst conditions imaginable... That is courage. God Bless all involved.

19 divers entered the cave about 30 mins ago 10:08am their time to start on the last 4 boys and the coach. It started raining again about 1:00am. They're going to try and remove all 5 at the same time. These they're saying, are the weakest 4 of the boys and they were left for last, because they didn't want to have a medical emergency during retrieval that would block the cave.
I knew they would be totally submerged mostly and some partially submerged places and a few spots that were totally out of water like the 3 staging areas they had set up, but I did not realize that there was a section that was 15 inches wide that the boys would lose contact with rescuers and surfaced on a knob and had to resubmerge on the other side of the knob before contacting a waiting rescuer.
Hope all make it out safe, prayes sent!

10 boys out

11 are out, just the coach, 1 boy, and 4 members of a medical team to go

all the boys and the coach are out. just a doctor and 3 divers remain.

Wow, what a crazy situation, and for it to come out this way.

Truly amazing rescue

Now somebody kick the coach in the nads.

Thank you God and the rescue team.
Thank you and RIP to Saman Gunan the Navy SEAL that passed on.

Hell yah

Amen!

Yeah, based on what we know, if it wasn�t for him using poor judgment, none of this would have happened.

BUT, somehow they were all kept together - not split up and stranded at different places - and they all made it out alive! There will be plenty of time for nad kicking...for now, thank God all made it out safely and alive!

(With all due respect to the Thai Navy SEAL who perished. RIP hero...and prayers to his family)

Very intriguing to keep up with.

I'm sure no one feels worse than he does. He made a mistake. no need to crucify him.

Say Amen

We don't even have the full story of what happened. Everyone over there has been pretty cautious about prematurely releasing information (IMHO, the US media could take some lessons in this area).

Amen!

At our little church on Sunday morning, the safe rescue of these boys and their troop leader were prayed for. I suspect the same happened at many churches worldwide as we all want children to be safe and able to be rescued.

the Coach is solid
this is something they do all the time in that neighborhood

20 20 had a special tonight
i will not say anything about it