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outboard oil

Posted By: Gregg R

outboard oil - 11/09/15 11:41 PM

Hey guys, I have a 2008 mercury optimax 200, I've had my boat for a little over a year. I checked the oil reservior and it showed to be about a quarter full. What would be a good oil for that motor that ya'll would recommend? As always, I appreciate the advice.
Posted By: shotgunwilly

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 12:06 AM

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Posted By: Delvec

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 12:06 AM

Mercury recommends premium plus the synthetic blend for that motor.
Posted By: BigRM

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 12:08 AM

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Posted By: 361V

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 12:15 AM

You will get a lot of opinions on what to use. Fact: Merc REQUIRES any TCW3 oil. They RECOMMEND their own DI oil(direct injection). It has additives to prevent deposits & is stupid expensive. If you chose DI as I do buy it in bulk for way less @ Rockwall Marine.
Posted By: Gregg R

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 12:38 AM

Thanks guys, is the synthetic merc oil hard to find,also how much oil needs to be in my reservoir all the time? Thanks again.
Posted By: Delvec

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 12:38 AM

Originally Posted By: Delvec
Mercury recommends premium plus the synthetic blend for that motor.

They recommend DFI for Optimax Motors now, in "08" Premium Plus. FACT
Posted By: Delvec

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 12:43 AM

Just make sure you use Quikleen #1 an #2 with every tank of gas. Keep your oil tank with plenty in it.
Posted By: slshaneus

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 01:39 AM

i use regular ole pennzoil found at walmart in my 250 pro xs for 16.99 a jug it is tc-w3 certified and synthetic, mercury nor any other manufacturer can deny a warranty claim due to you not using their products as long as you are using a tc-w3 certified oil... i dont believe in/use the snake oils, use a good reputable oil manufacturer than meets the certification and your good to go...... the dfi is hype along with the quick cleen and everything else, not worth the money in my opinion..... i will get bashed for these comments but it'll be by the people using the dfi oil
Posted By: jafish

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 02:10 AM

There are things that i keep a close eye on. Looking for fishing line in the TM prop and gas engine prop. Oil level in the tank and lack of water in the lower unit oil. Trailer bearing grease. I have caught problems on all , before it killed something. Much cheaper to do it that way. Keep them clean and full for peace of mine. A common cause of bearing problems occurs when a boater drives a couple of hours to a destination, then immediately launches their boat. The (wheel) hub is hot, and then it’s put into cold water. A vacuum will pull water past the (bearing) seals, and then it condenses there. If the water is left in the grease bearings will rust causing them to fail even if grease is present. You asked about oil but i keep the tank full.
Posted By: Mark Perry

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 02:18 AM

Originally Posted By: slshaneus
i use regular ole pennzoil found at walmart in my 250 pro xs for 16.99 a jug it is tc-w3 certified and synthetic, mercury nor any other manufacturer can deny a warranty claim due to you not using their products as long as you are using a tc-w3 certified oil... i dont believe in/use the snake oils, use a good reputable oil manufacturer than meets the certification and your good to go...... the dfi is hype along with the quick cleen and everything else, not worth the money in my opinion..... i will get bashed for these comments but it'll be by the people using the dfi oil


Not gonna bash you but you can get the Merc/Quicksilver Premium Plus at Wal Mart for $19.99 a gallon. I figured I will just pay the $3.00 difference. I fish a lot and I doubt that ends up being maybe $50 a year I am paying more for. Its worth it to me to use what Merc suggests.
Posted By: slshaneus

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 02:31 AM

well if it is only 3 $ I would agree with you, I wonder why our walmart has it for 28$ and yours is 20$. I would run the quick silver at that price, is that a sale price or ?
Posted By: Allison1

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 02:32 AM

The last time I looked at Walmart their Mercury Premium Plus was over 32 bucks. Their Premium oil was 19.97 or something like that.

The Pennzoil Premium Plus is a premium oil at much less than any of the manufacturers oil.

You can get the 2 1/2 gallon jug at Academy for 54 dollars. I just bought a jug a couple weeks ago.
Posted By: Mark Perry

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 02:35 AM

Originally Posted By: Allison1
The last time I looked at Walmart their Mercury Premium Plus was over 32 bucks. Their Premium oil was 19.97 or something like that.

The Pennzoil Premium Plus is a premium oil at much less than any of the manufacturers oil.

You can get the 2 1/2 gallon jug at Academy for 54 dollars. I just bought a jug a couple weeks ago.




I usually get it at Academy. Its $19.99 there. Seen it at WM at that price too. WM has the cheapest price on the Merc fuel additives too.
Posted By: Mark Perry

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 02:35 AM

Originally Posted By: slshaneus
well if it is only 3 $ I would agree with you, I wonder why our walmart has it for 28$ and yours is 20$. I would run the quick silver at that price, is that a sale price or ?


It might have been. Its $19.99 everyday at Academy. Remember that WM price matches as well.
Posted By: slshaneus

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 02:36 AM

okay I had to do a little research......our walmart has the quick silver premium plus 28$ black label....not the red label 19.97 premium....I am going tomorrow and look for the red/black label at the SUPER walmart..... they have everything.....i think you mean the red label is 19.97 not the premium "plus" but if you are correct I would buy them all! price mismark cheers
Posted By: Mark Perry

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 02:38 AM

Originally Posted By: slshaneus
okay I had to do a little research......our walmart has the quick silver premium plus 28$ black label....not the red label 19.97 premium....I am going tomorrow and look for the red/black label at the SUPER walmart..... they have everything.....i think you mean the red label is 19.97 not the premium "plus" but if you are correct I would buy them all! price mismark cheers


Quicksilver brand is Mercury BTW. Comes in a silver jug. It is the Premium Plus. same stuff at Academy for $19.99
Posted By: Bradshuflin aka hunter'sdad

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 02:45 AM

I have no good oil info


But how have you had the boat for a year amen not had to add oil? Come on man you need to get to fishing more. I'm burning a gallon a week lately and it's usually a lot cheaper to buy it in the 2.5 gallon jugs if you can find it.
Posted By: slshaneus

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 02:46 AM

dang your right! academy has the premium plus 19.99/gallon wth is up with walmart prices! ill be switching to quicksilver. just bought a case from academy..... if anyone cares, I work on vehicle engines a lot as a side business, lots of the cleaners screw up the sensors in our fancy motors, i used to be a seafoam advocate until i saw how it burned and the damage it caused, in order to clean the combustion process up most of these have lots of alcohol in them, while its a good solvent and does indeed clean it does not go so well for the sensors......YES I KNOW THE CAN SAYS SENSOR SAFE! but i have put it in a tank of fuel and watched temperatures soar on my laptop from seafoam trying to pinpoint why sensors were failing.... now i just run gas and oil nothing else......if yall want more info you can message me...... oh but i DO run 2 stroke oil in my duramax.......to lubricate injectors since obama is taking the sulphur out of our diesel fuel
Posted By: SC-001

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 02:51 AM

Look at the part no. by category, same oil just different packaging and sometimes price.

Posted By: slshaneus

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 03:03 AM

$238 for 10 gallons shipping and tax included from academy........ thanks mark !
Posted By: Matt M

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 03:10 AM

Originally Posted By: slshaneus
i use regular ole pennzoil found at walmart in my 250 pro xs for 16.99 a jug it is tc-w3 certified and synthetic, mercury nor any other manufacturer can deny a warranty claim due to you not using their products as long as you are using a tc-w3 certified oil... i dont believe in/use the snake oils, use a good reputable oil manufacturer than meets the certification and your good to go...... the dfi is hype along with the quick cleen and everything else, not worth the money in my opinion..... i will get bashed for these comments but it'll be by the people using the dfi oil


If you ever have to tear one down that has been running cheap oil and no quickleen and then tear one down that has been running good oil with quickleen or even cheap oil with quickleen you would retract that statement. The difference is in how clean they burn and the amount of carbon deposits they leave behind that are harmful to the engine.

The cheap oils carbon deposits are rock hard and very thick you almost need a chisel to get them off. The better oil the deposits will come off fairly easy in a parts washer using quickleen makes them not deposit and the soot washes off pretty easily.


By far the cleanest burning oil I have found has been amsoil I couldn't belive how clean my exhust was when I tore my lower unit down after running amsoil.

I don't sell oil so I don't care what you buy but that is my personal experience with the different oils.
Posted By: slshaneus

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 03:12 AM

i am an amsoil dealer and run it in all my vehicles, just too expensive to run in the outboard
Posted By: Mark Perry

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 03:13 AM

Originally Posted By: slshaneus
$238 for 10 gallons shipping and tax included from academy........ thanks mark !


Glad you got what you needed. Good fishing to you.
Posted By: slshaneus

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 03:18 AM

have you tore one down that someone has been using the synthetic blend pennzoil? just curious that's what i have been using..... whats are you calling cheap oil? any specific manufacturer?
Posted By: 361V

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 04:28 AM

For those that choose Mercury DFI Oil I buy it bulk(in their jugs) for $24 a gallon at Rockwall Marine. Dirt cheap for DFI.
Posted By: Allison1

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 09:10 AM

Originally Posted By: slshaneus
dang your right! academy has the premium plus 19.99/gallon wth is up with walmart prices! ill be switching to quicksilver. just bought a case from academy..... if anyone cares, I work on vehicle engines a lot as a side business, lots of the cleaners screw up the sensors in our fancy motors, i used to be a seafoam advocate until i saw how it burned and the damage it caused, in order to clean the combustion process up most of these have lots of alcohol in them, while its a good solvent and does indeed clean it does not go so well for the sensors......YES I KNOW THE CAN SAYS SENSOR SAFE! but i have put it in a tank of fuel and watched temperatures soar on my laptop from seafoam trying to pinpoint why sensors were failing.... now i just run gas and oil nothing else......if yall want more info you can message me...... oh but i DO run 2 stroke oil in my duramax.......to lubricate injectors since obama is taking the sulphur out of our diesel fuel


Sea Foam has under 25 percent isopropyl alcohol in it according to their MSDS. A can at 16oz in a tank of 20 to 50 gallons means you are introducing something less than 4 oz of alcohol to either a tank. 128 ounces per gallon and that is less than .2 percent increase of alcohol in 20 gallons and under 1/10 of a percent increase in 50 gallons.
Most of the people who use these treatments have had zero sensor problems using it and I've heard many reports by of successful use of it over the years. In fact if you choose not to use it or any other treatment your carbon deposits in your engine will be noticeably worse. Sticking rings cause many engine failures and no treatment increases that risk. If a person chooses a different gas treatment like the Mercury Quickleen it uses a smaller dose per treatment and is just slightly more expensive than Sea Foam.


PS, ULSD came into use in 2004 and mandated in 2006 followed by all on the road diesels required to use ULSD starting in 2007. ULSD has a low lubricity index but its mandated to have lubricity additives put in it although there is nothing wrong with adding a little something to help it out.

Jay Smith, a noted high volume engine rebuilder and racing engine builder likes Pennzoil. He is retired but worked in the oil industry and did rebuilding as a side job for decades. He rebuilds several engines a week. He also says he hates Amsoil and any full synthetic in any steel sleeved engine although there seems to be many who use it with no problems.

I use Pennzoil Premium Plus but at that price Mercury Premium Plus is not too much more expensive. I've never read one test that indicated that Mercury oil does better so its really to me just run what you have confidence in. I don't use manufacturers recommended branded oil in any of my cars either.


I think Mercury Optimax oil is not TC-W3 certified. Their Opti oil is not TC-W3 oil certified as it does not meat their certifying requirement. Thats not to say its a bad oil. Its just not certified.












Posted By: ChrisPowellFishing

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 11:37 AM

its 28 at my local Walmart as well. Thanks for the reminder that Walmart matches
Posted By: Dr. Drop

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 01:28 PM

I have a 1999 Merc 225 EFI.
I started out using Mercury oil. When they doubled the price on their oil I started using Pennzoil Plus. Would buy cases of it at BPS during their spring sale. Would come out at about $9.00 a gallon. I used Pennzoil for years until they went up on their price. Now I am back to Merc Premium Plus from academy. $19.99
I have always used quick-clean about every other tank. Had the motor in the shop last month to replace the impeller and the motor shows 1400+ hrs.
Posted By: ezbassin

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 01:58 PM

I use Amsoil.
Posted By: Gregg R

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 02:47 PM

Another dumb question, what is quickleen, is it some sort of additive? Thanks for all of the responses.
Posted By: SC-001

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 03:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Gregg R
Another dumb question, what is quickleen, is it some sort of additive? Thanks for all of the responses.
Mercurys version of ring free, prevents carbon build up.
Posted By: Delvec

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 08:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Bossbowman
Originally Posted By: Gregg R
Another dumb question, what is quickleen, is it some sort of additive? Thanks for all of the responses.
Mercurys version of ring free, prevents carbon build up.

#1 treats ethanol #2 prevents carbon build up.
Posted By: slshaneus

Re: outboard oil - 11/10/15 11:19 PM

FWIW the best cleaner I found for vehicles is the chevron concentrate fuel system cleaner, it was the only one that removed deposits on the fuel tank level sensor when the chevy's around 2000 had so many problems..... I've kinna stuck with that...my deposits are kinda oily and came right off with degreaser, kinda like you were saying they wash right up in the parts cleaner, hopefully its all good. I need to see some evidence about the hard deposits so i can wrap my head around it.... i was skeptical about amsoil's claims until I got an oil analyses done on my duramax oil that had 24,500 miles on it.... it was impressive....
Posted By: Angler's Marine

Re: outboard oil - 12/23/15 02:56 AM

Pennzoil Premium is a very good oil for the price. There is no need in paying for the brand. TC-W3 is tc-w3 regardless of the brand.
Posted By: Fritz423

Re: outboard oil - 01/19/16 10:58 PM

I am the anti-mechanic, but I'm sure most would agree that you need to check your oil reservoir before every trip. Warning beeps and gauges fail so I wouldn't rely on them.

Still driving my 2001 90 hp mercury with no major problems knock on wood
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