Posted By: 9874opf
Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/29/07 02:14 AM
Whats ya'll opinion of it?
Quantum Hot Sauce
Posted By: chadcox
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/29/07 02:20 AM
the sauce is the only thing i use....love it
Posted By: K.D.
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/29/07 02:22 AM
Originally Posted By: chadcox
the sauce is the only thing i use....love it
ditto
oh yeah....ONE DROP per bearing! No more.
Posted By: mutantslinger
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/29/07 02:35 AM
Good stuff
Posted By: Ryan1003
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/29/07 02:54 AM
What ever you do... don't use it if you already have regular oil in your real... the chemicals react and cause it to freeze up like rock candy
Posted By: Big Red 12
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/29/07 03:01 AM
I lkie Reel Magic.
Posted By: Beer Snob
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/29/07 08:27 AM
Do you also use it on the spool bearings? As part of a total tear-down and cleanup of my old style green Curado I put hot sauce on ALL the bearings. Seemed to be too much of a good thing.
A reel that I had to purposely screw up a cast to get it backlash, now blows up way too easy. Flushing the bearings and re-lubing with Shimano's oil helped somewhat. I may just replace all the spool bearings since they're 7-8 years old anyway to see if that cures the problem completely. <fingers crossed>
A reel that I had to purposely screw up a cast to get it backlash, now blows up way too easy. Flushing the bearings and re-lubing with Shimano's oil helped somewhat. I may just replace all the spool bearings since they're 7-8 years old anyway to see if that cures the problem completely. <fingers crossed>
Posted By: Dayne
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/29/07 10:06 AM
I have switched to it. It is ok but I don't see anything special about it. I switched because of a friend's recommendation.
Posted By: Just_Old_Fisherman
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/29/07 10:08 AM
I tried the Hot Sauce and while it lubed OK, I didn't like the red dye in it. I seem to drop/spill it every place I didn't want it. I went to the Ardent Reel Butter oil & grease and like them just as well as far as lube and don't have the red dye on things.
If looking for some bearings, I got some ABEC's from Jim at Heartland Tackle that really helped a older Citica I had. His prices were as good as any I found. Here is his web site:
http://heartlandtackleservice.com/default.asp
If looking for some bearings, I got some ABEC's from Jim at Heartland Tackle that really helped a older Citica I had. His prices were as good as any I found. Here is his web site:
http://heartlandtackleservice.com/default.asp
Posted By: armadillo joe
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/29/07 10:23 AM
I don't care for Hot Sauce at all. Ardent Reel butter or TJ's Rocket fuel are much better.
Posted By: Mike Andrews
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/29/07 11:22 AM
If you go over the Tackle Tour forum and search the Shimano product support area you'll find Shimano will not warranty reels that have been lubed with it. IIRC there is a small amount of lapping compound in it so the bearing surfaces in your reel are being continuely lapped as you cast and retrieve which will accelerate wear. I don't think I would use it..
Posted By: Mike Andrews
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/29/07 11:31 AM
Don't take what I just posted as gospel just yet, I went over to Tackle Tour and looked for the thread and can't find it. I'll post the question over there and see what response I get from Bantam1 who works for Shimano..
Posted By: mhood
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/29/07 11:42 AM
Originally Posted By: TxBuddha
Bantam1 who works for Shimano..
He has said several times that the use of Hot Sauce will void the warranty on any Shimano reel.
Tackle Tour Hot Sauce Thread
Posted By: PhilR
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/29/07 11:44 AM
Love the Hot Sauce - Oil on the bearings - Grease on the gears.
Phil
Phil
Posted By: Mike Andrews
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/29/07 12:01 PM
Originally Posted By: mhood
Originally Posted By: TxBuddha
Bantam1 who works for Shimano..
He has said several times that the use of Hot Sauce will void the warranty on any Shimano reel.
Tackle Tour Hot Sauce Thread
Thanks for bailing me out on that one! I was afraid I had shot my mouth off after I posted....
Posted By: mhood
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/29/07 12:47 PM
NP...I didn't say I agree with him. My reel tuning guru (D.R.) uses Hot Sauce in everything and I trust his judgement 100%.
Posted By: K.D.
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/29/07 07:20 PM
Not recommended and voiding a warranty are two entirely different things. If a manufacturer states that a your warranty is void if you don't use their product, they have to supply you with their product (or so I've read). Instead this guy (who works them and is toeing the company line) simply says it's not recommended. In his own words on the last page of the post..
He also stated that the problems he found were primarily in spinning reels, with their tight tolerances.
And a response from someone who did more research than I...
I'm like several guys in that thread...I've never been able to find Shimano lubricants. ConnieK who runs Lake Fork Tackle repair chimed in also and said she uses ReelX. I'm sure Shimano would not endorse that product either since it's not made by them.
Luckily I've switched to Revo's and each reel has enough oil shipped with it to last me a year or two.
Quote:
It seems that everyone is waiting on a repsonse from me so here it is:
We do not recommend or endorse this lubricant for use in our reels. I am not saying that it is a bad product in any way. I am just saying that it is not intended for our reels. I am not trying to cause any sales damaging problems for them or for us. This is designed for company X's reels and not ours. We only recommend our lubricants in our reels.
We do not recommend or endorse this lubricant for use in our reels. I am not saying that it is a bad product in any way. I am just saying that it is not intended for our reels. I am not trying to cause any sales damaging problems for them or for us. This is designed for company X's reels and not ours. We only recommend our lubricants in our reels.
And a response from someone who did more research than I...
Quote:
In 2001, not satisfied with standard lubrication, Quantum engineers set out to develop a premium, high performance, lubrication for their high-end reels. Working with several lubrication scientists, at one of the worlds best custom lubrication companies, they spent countless hours formulating and testing the best technology had to offer. What they came up with was a special, proprietary blend of synthetic and organic additives to provide the ultimate balance in performance, protection, durability, and smoothness in both grease and oil used for fishing equipment.
Although the formulation is proprietary, some aspects of it can be reveled to inform the general public. Hot Sauce grease does not have any kind of abrasives or lapping compound contained in it. The grease does, however, have a fine Teflon powder suspended in it to improve durability by reducing friction and wear. Teflon is a common additive used in lubrication. There is no such thing as ìTeflon based greaseî, as some people claim. All solid matter has a certain degree of surface roughness regardless of how smooth or how polished it is. The Teflon in Hot Sauce is formulated in such a way as to fill-in any roughness. The super slick nature of Teflon used in this manner provides unparalleled smoothness and durability. It is possible to see these Teflon particles with a good eye or microscope.
Other unique aspects of this proprietary formulation are: great adhesion to parts caused by the physical and bonding properties of the formulation; additives for superior corrosion protection in saltwater; and, long life and durability by protecting the base oil from aging.
Due to all the additives and complexity of the formulation process, Hot Sauce is not the cheapest lubrication one can find. In fact, Quantum engineers had a difficult time implementing this in production because of its high cost.
Quantum Hot Sauce can be used in any product, spinning, baitcast, trolling, or spincast with great success. Thousands of people have reaped the benefits of Hot Sauce outside of fishing products as well, like in the home and shop. The formulation makes it good for many applications where there are moving parts, wear, noise, and/or corrosion issues. The versatility of Hot Sauce makes it well suited for all freshwater and saltwater applications regardless of style or brand of reel.
Although the formulation is proprietary, some aspects of it can be reveled to inform the general public. Hot Sauce grease does not have any kind of abrasives or lapping compound contained in it. The grease does, however, have a fine Teflon powder suspended in it to improve durability by reducing friction and wear. Teflon is a common additive used in lubrication. There is no such thing as ìTeflon based greaseî, as some people claim. All solid matter has a certain degree of surface roughness regardless of how smooth or how polished it is. The Teflon in Hot Sauce is formulated in such a way as to fill-in any roughness. The super slick nature of Teflon used in this manner provides unparalleled smoothness and durability. It is possible to see these Teflon particles with a good eye or microscope.
Other unique aspects of this proprietary formulation are: great adhesion to parts caused by the physical and bonding properties of the formulation; additives for superior corrosion protection in saltwater; and, long life and durability by protecting the base oil from aging.
Due to all the additives and complexity of the formulation process, Hot Sauce is not the cheapest lubrication one can find. In fact, Quantum engineers had a difficult time implementing this in production because of its high cost.
Quantum Hot Sauce can be used in any product, spinning, baitcast, trolling, or spincast with great success. Thousands of people have reaped the benefits of Hot Sauce outside of fishing products as well, like in the home and shop. The formulation makes it good for many applications where there are moving parts, wear, noise, and/or corrosion issues. The versatility of Hot Sauce makes it well suited for all freshwater and saltwater applications regardless of style or brand of reel.
I'm like several guys in that thread...I've never been able to find Shimano lubricants. ConnieK who runs Lake Fork Tackle repair chimed in also and said she uses ReelX. I'm sure Shimano would not endorse that product either since it's not made by them.
Luckily I've switched to Revo's and each reel has enough oil shipped with it to last me a year or two.
Posted By: bassmaster1234
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/29/07 07:41 PM
That if the best stuff I have ever used.
Posted By: Judd
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/29/07 07:52 PM
I went through a Yellow Rocket Fuel phase but I got tired of always having to add a drop here and a drop there. So I started using ABU Silicote oil. Works well and I haven't had hardly any problems since.
I did try Hot Sauce when it came out but I always seemed to make a mess so I quit using it.
Different strokes for different folks
I did try Hot Sauce when it came out but I always seemed to make a mess so I quit using it.
Different strokes for different folks
Posted By: Mike Andrews
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/29/07 08:00 PM
Funny that Shimano recommends their oil but the last couple of casting reels I've bought didn't have any in the box....
Anyone have any feedback on using other oils such as BreakFree CLP? I've used it on my guns for years including when I was shooting competitively and have always had pretty good luck with it. I know it's not Shimano approved but nothing else is anyway....
Anyone have any feedback on using other oils such as BreakFree CLP? I've used it on my guns for years including when I was shooting competitively and have always had pretty good luck with it. I know it's not Shimano approved but nothing else is anyway....
Posted By: K.D.
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/29/07 08:03 PM
BTW,
As always, my posts seem to read harsher than I'm intending...don't take what I wrote as argumentative...it's just another opinion and you know what they say about opinions.
As always, my posts seem to read harsher than I'm intending...don't take what I wrote as argumentative...it's just another opinion and you know what they say about opinions.
Posted By: bassmaster1234
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/29/07 08:12 PM
You have to know to apply the hot sauce. I clean my reels every 3 months or so.
Posted By: mhood
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/29/07 09:20 PM
Originally Posted By: K.D.
Luckily I've switched to Revo's and each reel has enough oil shipped with it to last me a year or two.
Yea...Yea...Yea...jumped ship didn't 'cha. LOL!
Posted By: K.D.
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/29/07 09:28 PM
Originally Posted By: mhood
Originally Posted By: K.D.
Luckily I've switched to Revo's and each reel has enough oil shipped with it to last me a year or two.
Yea...Yea...Yea...jumped ship didn't 'cha. LOL!
I gotta tell ya...I really like my Revos.
Posted By: mhood
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/29/07 09:46 PM
Only fished with one once...BCR 803 and an STX. Very, very, very sweet indeed!
Posted By: rudapa
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/30/07 01:10 AM
I've been using Hot Sauce "Oil" and ABU Garcia grease on my Shimano reels for 4 years. They work perfectly.
Posted By: Rebbasser
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 11/30/07 02:59 AM
Originally Posted By: chadcox
the sauce is the only thing i use....love it
Same here.
Posted By: shimano-man
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 12/01/07 01:26 AM
To each his own. I prefer TG Rocket fuel for bearings.
Posted By: John175☮
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 12/02/07 03:09 PM
Interesting read. I get the Shimano oil with the reels all the time but never the grease. I don't even know where to get the grease except for the drag grease.
I use the Quantum Hot sauce and do a full breakdown every year. I'm more inclined to stop buying Shimano spinning gear over this issue than to stop using Hot Sauce. Perhaps that is why he threw in a disclaimer comment.
I have a Sustain that I use it on without problems and use it on all my other Shimano reels too. I would think Shimano would rework their gears to be a bit more forgiving and allow for individual tastes in lubrication...or supply a lifetime supply of grease and oil with every reel. The reels are expensive enough at purchase and they should not add to the cost for maintenance. I love my Shimano reels but they ain't so great that hassles over what lube to use makes others a better buy and actually knocks them down to a second or third on my future list. Basically I smell BS in his protests and reasoning for not using Quantum Hot Sauce and did the company a disservice with the warning.
IMO of course.
I use the Quantum Hot sauce and do a full breakdown every year. I'm more inclined to stop buying Shimano spinning gear over this issue than to stop using Hot Sauce. Perhaps that is why he threw in a disclaimer comment.
I have a Sustain that I use it on without problems and use it on all my other Shimano reels too. I would think Shimano would rework their gears to be a bit more forgiving and allow for individual tastes in lubrication...or supply a lifetime supply of grease and oil with every reel. The reels are expensive enough at purchase and they should not add to the cost for maintenance. I love my Shimano reels but they ain't so great that hassles over what lube to use makes others a better buy and actually knocks them down to a second or third on my future list. Basically I smell BS in his protests and reasoning for not using Quantum Hot Sauce and did the company a disservice with the warning.
IMO of course.
Posted By: mhood
Re: Quantum Hot Sauce - 12/02/07 04:03 PM
Originally Posted By: John175
IMO of course.
Oh, you were not alone...the BS flag was raised by many. Bantam has toned the policy down some in the latest Hot Sauce TTF thread.