((PREDATOR)) Dock assist system. (Shallow water anchor) beta testing

Hello my name is Nicholas Kissam I have been developing
A shallow water anchor. The unit here in this video uses a 500lb force
Electric design. Also it is self contained no pumps motors or other items
are needed just a 12v battery. This is being developed at Magna/lock systems
And will be sold as a kit so you will have to assemble your self. The unit in the video
Is a prototype and the finale design will be much more appealing to the consumer.
The anchor will weigh in under 25pounds and will be available in 7 or 9 feet.
Will have a price in the 350-450 range. The anchor is made of t6061 aluminum
And uses stainless steel hardware with a fiberglass stake that is super durable and almost unbreakable.



For more info and investment opportunities
Please email me at NicholasKissam@gmail.com

Thank you
Nicholas Kissam
CEO Magna/lock systems.

http://youtu.be/Az4GJ7er8Y8

Here is the new and revised version much faster and this unit is
9 feet in total.. This version is what the finished product will be designed off.
This is 2-3/4 in width an 7 inches tall. Also this unit does not have its covers on it.
The covers are rounded U.H.W plastic and will protect it from damage against trees
Stumps,Docks,etc...

Please keep the feedback coming and let me know who is interested in a
Unit.

http://youtu.be/fk5aGCWFuDU

I'm wondering how the deploy speed compares to the Power Pole? Also, does it not fold up completely as the Power Pole does? I'm not looking for it to have all the features an actual Power Pole does at the price point you are targeting but what kind of mounting system are you going to offer etc? Or is that up to the consumer to figure out? Are you offering a controller to go with it or just simple up down switches?

Hello thank you for the feedback.. And yes it does fold up completely
And it will have both options wireless remote and simple switch.
Mounting will be utilized with the same mounting as a other comparable
Shallow water anchor.

Good idea and nice price point...there a couple of concerns I have

1. The noise of the electric motor
2. The speed of the arm

Thank you for sharing your ingenuity.

The speed of the arm is under 10sec for deployment on version 2.
Now with the noise I see your concern and will be correcting this problem.
Also the speed is dramatically faster with a real battery the test videos. We are using a
12v drill battery which doesn't have near the current that is recommended.

Are you looking for anyone to do some beta testing? I'd be willing to do so.

Also, to get the full usable length of the pole, at some point the motor unit will have to be submerged. Unless you have a way of covers sealing the motor from water, is the motor and drive unit fully submersible for extended lengths of time?

i ll keep an eye on this... i like the price point.

Nicholas this is definitely not a bad idea. Especially if you can keep it al this price point. These were some things I was thinking about that I had concerns with. Keep it up and hopefully this will bring another great idea out into the market.

Lol haulinbass02.... Maybe considering the testing and will let you know..
Yes the motor is submersible up to 3 feet.

I am enjoying and adapting to the strong feedback and concerns
Thanks to everyone that is considering a purchase of the unit and as soon
As my plastic mold gets here the units will be available for purchase.

I'll be watching. That price point gives us with old smaller boats a PP that we can use that doesn't cost more than my boat is worth.

Hahaha....well Bobby would the smaller boat community want a smaller pole?

I say this because my design group along with the feedback put me in a market
Where I was considering a 5-6 foot pole. Basically just scaling down the size of this anchor.

Another idea I was considering is where the buy has a choice of
What length and mounting options he or she may need.
I could do this for praticily no charge. The only down side to this
Concept would be a longer wait time to recive the anchor.

Please let us know if this would be perfered over having set lengths.

Thank you
Nicholas Kissam

You might have a market for some if there was a shorter unit and a lower price but for me, I'd prefer the longest pole available. If I couldn't hold in about 7-8' of water then it wouldn't really make sense for me to purchase. Some mounting options would be nice

Since it's an actuator/motor drive, you should have some form of pressure sensor feedback to stop the motor from driving once the anchor has touched bottom. Kinda like the Talon.


Also. I don't think you can use the term Power Pole. just sayin"

Hello and happy thanksgiving..

Well we are excited to tell you we have a almost complete
System to sell for a beta run.

The system now has a name ((PREDATOR)) Dock assist system.

Which is at a stage for beta runs these first 3 units will be sold in the 7feet range
And will be sold at cost for 250$.

The PREDATOR will share the same mounting options
As a talon or power pole

After completing test today of 500 cycles we are comfortable
Sending this out.

We being pleased with the travel of the PREDATOR
With full length totaling 93" just 2" shy of 8'!!!

For more information on being a beta tester
Please email me at NicholasKissam@gmail.com

Here are the updated videos of the PREDATOR

http://youtu.be/Gl91fldoRNg

http://youtu.be/4D3FjAoQU2g

Email sent

Email sent. When you get it into full production, any thoughts of offering a price for buying 2? Have you made it so that it can easily be raised manually in case of a failure?

That Linear actuator is not going to last a week on a boat. Sorry fella. They are not waterproof. Or even water resistant.

I'd be curious about patent infringement.

I am interested once the beta testing is compete and all the kinks are worked out. Keep us posted on your progreSs!

There are waterproof actuators out there designed for use underwater. That's why I asked him about submerged use.........

Hello every one quick reply on the issues being brought up.

The actuators indeed are water proof up to 1 meter which is roughly
3 feet.. The actuators are ip66 rated.

I understand the patent systems as I have 2 patents now on other
Products.

This is not a fully functional dock assist system out of the box
As the instructions will be included to install the missing 2 bolts
Which are included. Therefore I am selling a non functional docking assist
System. If the buyer chooses to assemble and use this to keep the vessel
In place wherever they choose. That is up to the buyers.

I am doing this understanding there maybe risk involved.
But there is nothing out on the market for real world price.

Thank you
Nicholas

So far they haven't stopped Vampire shallow water anchors from selling although it looks like a pretty tiny operation and not worth their time to mess with.

Pretty much lost me on this one with the claim of selling a non functioning unit by leaving 2 bolts off but posting on an open site, videos of the prototype and about beta testing.

He's selling them as "kits". You assemble so it's not a functional unit as the larger competition is. Not sure if this gets around patent infringement issues or not. But at this price point I can't help but be intrigued. I can buy a pair for less than the cost of 1 of the others.

Here is another update video!!

http://youtu.be/OIQvfN3R-SI

Just one thought, looks pretty good so far, is the pole itself strong enough not to flex with too much pressure against it and lose the anchor point? Basically it looks pretty small to me and I wonder if it might not need to be beefed up? I guess we won't know until beta testing?

why say it is a dock anchor when it is not used as that .if it is to be sold as competition to the other products put it on a boat an test it in the real world .

Wording man, gotta find a way around the patents.

Yes it is a word game my friend. The anchor it self is very very strong
And for half the price your getting the same materials.

T6061 alloy with UHMW plastics.

Also features Teflon composites with steal
Sleeves as the (Bushings).

I wouldn't make a product that I wouldn't have confidence in.
Why would I build something that I can't use also?

I'm waiting to see it mounted on a boat and used with some wind to see how stable it is. I'm also curious on how the motors hold up over time with being water proof. The price point is appealing but if for some reason they don't last then it becomes an expensive paper weight.

Can't really have a warranty for a non functioning unit nor could I expect a warranty to be honored if the units failed and the business went under. I think it needs a lot of time on the water to prove the item will hold up before I could feel comfortable buying.

Once it is a proven concept, I'd definitely buy two. I thought about the beta test unit but after thing aboutit, I don't want to spend $250 and drill holes in my boat in case it doesn't hold up.

I hope they do work as well as you expect and hold up over time then I'll definitely be a customer. Keep us updated on the testing.

Thank you Bobby and I glad to hear that you will be a future customer.
I expected the market was and will be a little skeptical.
But I see there point about everything.

I mean why try to improve on something that is great
Like the power pole and talon. Well my thoughts are those
Systems are fantastic but I wouldn't know that my self with out
Buying 1 or 2 of them. Sometimes the market is not wanting change
But for the price of those systems. I was wanting change or
Improved pricing and hit hasn't seem to come.

But quick story...I remember years ago fishing with my father and
Him taking me to bass pro shop for a look at those new humminbird
Depth finders with there black and white screens and no gps systems.
He would always tell me he wanted one of those 599.99
Things but he would never pull the trigger. As soon as the next best thing would
Come out he would get a used 599.99 system for 150bucks and he was
So happy to have it even if it wasn't the best.
Maybe it was slower and maybe the screen wasn't as big but he would
Still find fish and catch them.. Point being that even if my system
Isn't the best nor fastest. It will still do what you need for a quarter
Of those other systems.

Hello everyone sorry for all of the delay on email responds.
But with the holidays and Keeping up with the suppliers
It is hard to keep the updates coming.

I am just waiting on the t6061 alloy to get here and will be ready for testing.

As requested here are some photos of the
Predator system mounting on my boat.

Are those the same mounting pattern as power poles and talons? So you could use the existing brackets on the market.

Looks like the older style talon mount.

Hello. Yes the Predator system will use the same mounting pattern as a Power pole and talon.
So other jack plate mounts will fit with no problem.

Thank you

What is the height difference with the pole standing up compared to power pole?

Also, any videos of it working in water on your boat? Thanks.

What ever came of this unit are you still selling it or selling the plans for the poor guy to build without having to take a loan out.How did the testing go.

I was wondering the same thing. I figure they finally realized that the patents meant a little more than they first thought.

I was actually going to build these for my bass boat last year before I sold my boat. I figured even a 200lb actuator would do the job.

I've had two ideas since then that I would think make things even more different and better. Instead of using a fiberglass tensile pole use a clear acrylic pole and attach rgb LED lights on top of it. That way you have a night fishing light. Also make a 4ft-6ft version for aluminum/duck boats.

Anyone know what size actuator by looks Im thinking its a 16 inch ?
and yes I think 200lb would work just fine.I do like the idea to use the led on top.You can get around a patent. He could have sold this as a build it yourself.All in all its not that hard to build.Im running some parts on my cnc machine now so will see what I can come up with.

Any kinda update on this?

He updated somewhere else in the forum. Couldn't sell them because of patents.

As soon as I saw it, these were my exact thoughts. This thing works identical to a power-pole.