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#9272038 - 08/29/13 01:56 PM COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule
Mark McWha Offline
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This is still tentative, but here's where I'm at now.
February 8 Sam Rayburn
March 1 Sam Rayburn
April 5 Toledo Bend
June 14 Red River
September 6,7 Sam Rayburn

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#9272103 - 08/29/13 02:12 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
Darold Gleason, T-bend Guide Offline
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Good schedule Mark, I'd prefer 2 tournaments at Toledo and 2 at Rayburn with the 2 day at Red River. That's just my selfish preference though, thanks for letting us know. Should be a great turnout again next year, good luck.
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#9272160 - 08/29/13 02:28 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
Mark McWha Offline
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I hope so. Texas is a challenge with all the other tournament trails.It's very difficult to make a perfect schedule and stay off other major tournament trails. Thanks to all that provided input.

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#9272166 - 08/29/13 02:29 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
Darold Gleason, T-bend Guide Offline
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You do a great job of it Mark and it is always great to have the chance to give input. I will see you next year.
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#9272225 - 08/29/13 02:43 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
Matthew Delaney Offline
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Is the Red River going to be out of Natchitoches or Shreveport?

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#9272234 - 08/29/13 02:46 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
Randy Deaver Offline
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Is there a chance the River tournament will be out of Pool 5?

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#9272235 - 08/29/13 02:46 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Matthew Delaney]
Bigron119 Offline
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Originally Posted By: mattd551
Is the Red River going to be out of Natchitoches or Shreveport?





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#9272256 - 08/29/13 02:56 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
Mark McWha Offline
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Natchitoches

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#9272347 - 08/29/13 03:28 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
Dax Davis Offline
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Still to far for a lot guys in the dfw area an now with the weekend series gone guys are going to want something closer!
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#9272378 - 08/29/13 03:44 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
Peter L. Offline
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Def won't be fishing any....Even with the weekend series gone.....Toledo,Rayburn,Toledo,Rayburn,Toledo,Rayburn....Sounds like a broken record every year. Sad.

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#9272397 - 08/29/13 03:55 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
Randy Deaver Offline
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Sure wish y'all would consider 2 events on Toledo or even better just add 1 more lake to the schedule. Think you would still have a big turnout if Pines was added in place of one of the Rayburn events. Seemed like it worked out great last year with the 2 day event on Pines.

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#9272555 - 08/29/13 04:43 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
SGIBSON Offline
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I would put the Red River in April and TB in June. That's just my opinion.

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#9272567 - 08/29/13 04:49 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
bigcat85 Offline
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to far for me

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#9272585 - 08/29/13 04:59 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
BMCD Offline
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It a schedule that works.... always has.
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#9272719 - 08/29/13 05:59 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
RMOROTT21 Offline
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Schedule looks good like the river being in there swap one rayburn for toledo and it b better. For the people saying it's to far you gotta go where pull the most boats pretty simple

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#9272789 - 08/29/13 06:16 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: SGIBSON]
Matthew Delaney Offline
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Originally Posted By: SGIBSON
I would put the Red River in April and TB in June. That's just my opinion.


The river fishes small in April because everybody is crammed in the backwaters. People will spread out more in June fishing the main river and backwaters.

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#9272915 - 08/29/13 07:01 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
Bigron119 Offline
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Each lake has it's pro's and cons's and fans. Since there is only one division for this area they have to consider the best participation. There is no way they can please everybody so they shoot for the largest number from past events.
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#9273011 - 08/29/13 07:30 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
Fork Fanatic Offline
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Schedule looks good Mark. I like having one on the Red River. Will definitely be fishing again next year.

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#9273016 - 08/29/13 07:31 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
COHLMEYER Offline
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Hahahaha to all of the above....

I think this is the best schedule they can produce that gives them a chance at making it in Texas with all of the other trails as Mark mentioned. I think they do a great job, these are very well run tourneys with a shot at the big time if you are good enough.

It's far enough away that I can't make all of them but I still commend them and Mark more importantly for trying as hard as they do. We should be VERY GLAD that he would even come on a public forum and even entertain our thoughts much less make a change to the schedule based on what we say ( red river) keep it up mark!!!!

I wonder how many of the DFW guys would show up and fish ALL of them if the schedule was:
Eagle Mountain
Lake Worth
Eagle Mountain
Lake worth

Championship on: GRAPEVINE.

The east is where the money is at for them and its a business.
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#9273025 - 08/29/13 07:35 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
Matthew Delaney Offline
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I love the schedule and I don't even live in Texas.

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#9273037 - 08/29/13 07:38 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
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Schedules like that is why BassChamps owns the BFL in Texas.......
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#9273042 - 08/29/13 07:40 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Tejasbasshunter]
COHLMEYER Offline
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Originally Posted By: Tejasbasshunter
Schedules like that is why BassChamps owns the BFL in Texas.......


Curious to know how?
Not even the same format... Apples and oranges
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#9273075 - 08/29/13 07:49 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
RMOROTT21 Offline
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Did u really compare basschamps to bfl? The good thing about it is u don't have to fish them does basschamps offer u the chance to fish in flw cup?

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#9273077 - 08/29/13 07:49 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
Tejasbasshunter Offline
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Same as saying the BFL tried to include the Metroplex.

My money is on DFW travels better than LA and East Texas......
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#9273290 - 08/29/13 09:00 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Peter L.]
Mark Knuckols Offline
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Originally Posted By: Peter L.
Def won't be fishing any....Even with the weekend series gone.....Toledo,Rayburn,Toledo,Rayburn,Toledo,Rayburn....Sounds like a broken record every year. Sad.
amen! Now everstarts are the same thing

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#9273767 - 08/29/13 11:47 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
Mark McWha Offline
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Also, there will be a BFL regional championship on Sam Rayburn in October 2014. Obviously, the Cowboy division can't fish it but you can fish either the Arkie or Okie divisions to fish it. It's a no entry fee tournament where we'll give away a Chevy Silverado pick up and a fully rigged Ranger boat to the boater winner and another fully rigged Ranger boat to the co angler winner. The top six boaters and co anglers will advance to the BFL All American and compete for $100,000 on the boater side!! Just something to keep in mind.

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#9273786 - 08/30/13 12:00 AM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
easymoney Offline
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good schedule mark. I will be there. Think what a lot of dfw guys are saying is yes they want to fish Rayburn & Toledo but break it up. I know their great draws but competition and finances are hard on the ones who aren't regulars on those lakes. Dont get me wrong I love it,right in my backyard, but whoever mentioned pines was right its a good draw and a great lake, just small; although it held an Everstart just fine with very low water last year.
I'd have to throw Cedar Creek in as far as good draws go, its plenty big and always gets good numbers in tourneys, centrally located and is very tournament friendly.
You did a great job this year Mark and I appreciate FLW for having good directors like yourself and Ron Lappin. Ya'll have tough jobs and just remember, no matter how hard you try, your never gonna make everyone happy!!! You try - you do your best - and you care about your customers, even when they are complaining; That's very respectable. see ya in 2014

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#9273798 - 08/30/13 12:11 AM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
Ryorgensen Offline
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The Bws isn't gone just because Bass isn't involved. It's my understanding that its the same,except having the slim chance to go to classic.
I like this schedule for the Cowboy Div. ...It sounds great and I hope it stays like this for the people in east tx and Louisiana as well.
There's trails all over Texas ...We choose where we live....just fish one thats close to you.
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#9273822 - 08/30/13 12:52 AM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Tejasbasshunter]
HugoWT17 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Tejasbasshunter
Same as saying the BFL tried to include the Metroplex.

My money is on DFW travels better than LA and East Texas......


This hit the nail on the head. You look at how many anglers from DFW are in these tournaments and then look at how many from east texas and LA will travel to DFW to fish the same tournament(when there is already a tournament in their backyard). My guess is numbers would drop drastically.

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#9273977 - 08/30/13 06:56 AM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
Lewis Ville Offline
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If Cedar Creek or similar was on the schedule in place of one Rayburn I'd consider fishing it. It's disappointing as I've always wanted to fish the bfl just can't justify the expenses and time to travel to east Texas once a month (possibly twice to Pre fish). Every one seems wants to bash the DFW guys for not showing up but I looked at the June bfl and it only had 90 boats anyway. This trail should be getting 150 boats. I know it's difficult to please everyone but I still think there's a better solution out there.

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#9274001 - 08/30/13 07:16 AM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
Bigron119 Offline
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Realistically Texas is big enough to have another division. There could be a North/Central division but again we are so big it still means there will "always" be a drive for somebody. Why do you think BassChamps has 4 Divisions? Currently the Cowboy Division is trying to extend a tournament to the Louisiana folks who do not have a division for that region and the DFW folks have another option to fish the OKIE and the ARKIE division if they don't want to drive to East Texas.
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#9274004 - 08/30/13 07:19 AM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Lewis Ville]
Mark McWha Offline
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We tried Cedar Creek in May 2009 and had 45 boats.

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#9274068 - 08/30/13 07:50 AM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
rangerb Offline
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Originally Posted By: Mark McWha
Also, there will be a BFL regional championship on Sam Rayburn in October 2014. Obviously, the Cowboy division can't fish it but you can fish either the Arkie or Okie divisions to fish it. It's a no entry fee tournament where we'll give away a Chevy Silverado pick up and a fully rigged Ranger boat to the boater winner and another fully rigged Ranger boat to the co angler winner. The top six boaters and co anglers will advance to the BFL All American and compete for $100,000 on the boater side!! Just something to keep in mind.


Where is the regional for the cowboy division?
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#9274093 - 08/30/13 08:03 AM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
Mark McWha Offline
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Cowboy division will fish Pickwick for their regional with Hoosier, Volunteer, and Music City divisions.

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#9274108 - 08/30/13 08:18 AM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
Tejasbasshunter Offline
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Originally Posted By: Mark McWha
We tried Cedar Creek in May 2009 and had 45 boats.


3 boats from SE Texas - 0 boats from LA at Cedar Creek

Same year on Rayburn - 10 boats from DFW/North Texas out of 57 in the event

Same year on T-Bend - 8 boats from DFW/North Texas out of 60 in the event
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#9274232 - 08/30/13 08:56 AM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
jmj201 Offline
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Mark does a great job. He got the numbers up this year and i believe they will be up in 2014.

Honestly the drive is no big deal. The closest event this year was a 6 hour drive for me. I could have fished a closer trail but I want to get back to the All American and fish the Cup. I would drive where the tournaments are even if i have to drive to Arkansas for every event.

The BFL is the best weekend trail with a chance to advance to bigger events.

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#9274358 - 08/30/13 09:39 AM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
chrismc Offline
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Mark, schedule looks great and your doing a great job! Problem is the regional being on Rayburn will cost you boaters such as me.........give me the okie schedule! lol!

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#9274423 - 08/30/13 09:59 AM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
BASS COACH Offline
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What is the Arkie Schedule?

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#9274429 - 08/30/13 10:02 AM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
RMOROTT21 Offline
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Mark does a good job and this one the better ran trails out there I'm ready for texoma in October

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#9274897 - 08/30/13 12:50 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
James Biggs Offline
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BFLs are great events. I'd like to see Texoma on there. So sick of TB and Rayburn.


Edited by James Biggs (08/30/13 12:53 PM)

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#9274904 - 08/30/13 12:53 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
Mark McWha Offline
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We had Texoma on the schedule in the 50 boat years.


Edited by Mark McWha (08/30/13 12:54 PM)

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#9275440 - 08/30/13 04:07 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
Hotty Toddy Offline
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What is the Arlie tentative schedule?

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#9275471 - 08/30/13 04:18 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
Hotty Toddy Offline
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Sorry the Arkie tentative schedule

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#9275483 - 08/30/13 04:25 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: James Biggs]
jmj201 Offline
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Originally Posted By: James Biggs
BFLs are great events. I'd like to see Texoma on there. So sick of TB and Rayburn.


This year regionals is on Texoma.

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#9275637 - 08/30/13 05:25 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
Mark McWha Offline
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Feb. 22 Dardanelle
March 22 Ouachita
May 3 Greers Ferry
June 21 Dardanelle
Sept. 20,21 Ouachita

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#9275683 - 08/30/13 05:47 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
SGIBSON Offline
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McCall........the Okie Div. is off limits to all Tx fisherman.

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#9276150 - 08/30/13 08:52 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
Tejasbasshunter Offline
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Originally Posted By: Mark McWha
We had Texoma on the schedule in the 50 boat years.


YAWN - Smoke & Mirrors-

Same year on Texoma - (5) SE Texas boats, (ZERO) LA boats out of 58 in the event

Same year on Texoma (2 day) - (5) SE Texas boats, (ZERO)
LA boats out of 63 in the event

Originally Posted By: Tejasbasshunter
Originally Posted By: Mark McWha
We tried Cedar Creek in May 2009 and had 45 boats.


3 boats from SE Texas - 0 boats from LA at Cedar Creek

Same year on Rayburn - 10 boats from DFW/North Texas out of 57 in the event

Same year on T-Bend - 8 boats from DFW/North Texas out of 60 in the event
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#9276261 - 08/30/13 09:21 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
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That year if it wasn't for Arkansas guys fishing it to qualify for the DeGray regional, there would've only been 35 boats.

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#9276282 - 08/30/13 09:28 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
Tejasbasshunter Offline
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So is that a North Texas, Southeast Texas, Louisiana or all of the above issue?

Originally Posted By: Mark McWha
That year if it wasn't for Arkansas guys fishing it to qualify for the DeGray regional, there would've only been 35 boats.
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#9276288 - 08/30/13 09:30 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
RMOROTT21 Offline
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Mark no reason to explain to this guy he prolly never fished them when yall put them on up here

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#9276298 - 08/30/13 09:34 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: RMOROTT21]
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Yes - crawl under a rock

RMORott - I will not particpate until I feel it is not stacked towards the SE Texas/LA individuals.

My money is green - if the BFL wants any they will change their ways otherwise I will make the All American through the TBF

Originally Posted By: RMOROTT21
Mark no reason to explain to this guy he prolly never fished them when yall put them on up here
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#9276315 - 08/30/13 09:39 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
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Ryan, I'm not arguing with him. I certainly realize there are dozens of great lakes in Texas to choose from. We've tried several different combinations. I'm always open to suggestions, and I have participation numbers,results and all kinds of information that I look when scheduling. He's just voicing his opinion and I do appreciate ALL input I get from anglers whether they are our customers or not. Thanks again to all anglers that voiced opinions.

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#9276354 - 08/30/13 09:48 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: RMOROTT21]
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Originally Posted By: RMOROTT21
Mark no reason to explain to this guy he prolly never fished them when yall put them on up here


EXACTLY!!!!!

I'm not sure why these guys think they will fish the BFL, make the regional, then the all American, then the CUP. All while not having to drive more than 3 hours from home.

I find this extremely comical.

IF . And that's a big if , all of the tournaments in the BFl were in DFw and not a mile outside the limits, and you just so happen to qualify for the regional, and your good enough to make the all American (don't forget top 6 only) . And you drive or fly or teleport, however you want to get there, cuz you won't drive that far, to fish NickaJack (this years all american location, just for the point) against 10 guys who are considered Locals to the "river"... WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE???? They are going to rake you over the coals just like Dickey Newberry would have had the circuit just went to Rayburn and TBend. Why not get the butt whoopin over with early on?

You are going to have to branch out and become great on every lake in the country if you are truly trying to pursue the big time or make a name for yourself in the FLw circuits, the circuit coming to your home town for 4 tournaments in a row, or to prove your next point 2 of the 4, won't matter, your not gonna do a thing after that anyway...

I would like to see if you have ever fished the BFL when they can to cedar creek, texoma etc... We're you there? They gave you a shot, did you take advantage? 3 years ago the regional was right in our back yard here at texoma... Sounds like a good opportunity to make the all American.. Did you take advantage?

I don't want to answer my own question so please feel free.

soap

Sorry, I just don't think Mark has much defending to do, as it is not warranted.
You boys sign a petition that 150 of DFW finest would indeed fish the BFL should they bring it closer to the Metromess, I bet they would gladly entertain the idea... Until then, we will fish TBend, Rayburn and the red whole everyone else whines


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#9276398 - 08/30/13 10:04 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: COHLMEYER]
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I will say I have NEVER fished a BFL event - Was not my gig in 2009.

I have qualified through the TBF for regionals on Lake Truman for the TBF national championship on Nickajack and finsihed 2nd qualifiying for the All Amerian on Cross Lake in LA in 2011. (BTW all those lakes are over 3 hours away)

Traveling is not a issue with me when it is not stacked towards a spacific area.

When was the last time SE texas/LA had a 150 boat field?????

Not all the events need to be in NTX but they all dont need to be in SETX either.

The BFL is a great tour but it is short sighted in my opinion by focsuing on a specific region of Texas. As long as they focus on that area the BFL will never grow in what is the biggest market in bass fishing. That is why BASS Federations rule in Texas along with other trails that have more to offer and do not alienate themselves geographically..

Originally Posted By: ADogNamedCatfish
Originally Posted By: RMOROTT21
Mark no reason to explain to this guy he prolly never fished them when yall put them on up here


EXACTLY!!!!!

I'm not sure why these guys think they will fish the BFL, make the regional, then the all American, then the CUP. All while not having to drive more than 3 hours from home.

I find this extremely comical.

IF . And that's a big if , all of the tournaments in the BFl were in DFw and not a mile outside the limits, and you just so happen to qualify for the regional, and your good enough to make the all American (don't forget top 6 only) . And you drive or fly or teleport, however you want to get there, cuz you won't drive that far, to fish NickaJack (this years all american location, just for the point) against 10 guys who are considered Locals to the "river"... WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE???? They are going to rake you over the coals just like Dickey Newberry would have had the circuit just went to Rayburn and TBend. Why not get the butt whoopin over with early on?

You are going to have to branch out and become great on every lake in the country if you are truly trying to pursue the big time or make a name for yourself in the FLw circuits, the circuit coming to your home town for 4 tournaments in a row, or to prove your next point 2 of the 4, won't matter, your not gonna do a thing after that anyway...

I would like to see if you have ever fished the BFL when they can to cedar creek, texoma etc... We're you there? They gave you a shot, did you take advantage? 3 years ago the regional was right in our back yard here at texoma... Sounds like a good opportunity to make the all American.. Did you take advantage?

I don't want to answer my own question so please feel free.

soap

Sorry, I just don't think Mark has much defending to do, as it is not warranted.
You boys sign a petition that 150 of DFW finest would indeed fish the BFL should they bring it closer to the Metromess, I bet they would gladly entertain the idea... Until then, we will fish TBend, Rayburn and the red whole everyone else whines


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#9276400 - 08/30/13 10:04 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
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cant please everybody i will be at all of them as long as we never have the basin on schedule again

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#9276414 - 08/30/13 10:10 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Tejasbasshunter]
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Great job! (In a seriousness!)
On the second note I know that they go to the east and "stack it" to an area because that's where the numbers are. May not be fair but that's how it is... I just don't see how they can change that and keep the numbers up, I don't think it is possible personally

RMORROTT, I am with you in that one!!!!
No basin, no bayou Black.... That is WAY to far. Over 8 hours from the house.. I'm good with 4 or 5 but 8 is pushing it. Might as well fish the Cal Delta! smile

Originally Posted By: Tejasbasshunter
I will say I have NEVER fished a BFL event - Was not my gig in 2009.

I have qualified through the TBF for regionals on Lake Truman for the TBF national championship on Nickajack and finsihed 2nd qualifiying for the All Amerian on Cross Lake in LA in 2011. (BTW all those lakes are over 3 hours away)

Traveling is not a issue with me when it is not stacked towards a spacific area.

When was the last time SE texas/LA had a 150 boat field.......

Not all the events need to be in NTX but they all dont need to be in SETX either.

The BFL is a great tour but it is short sighted in my opinion by focsuing on a specific region of Texas.

Originally Posted By: ADogNamedCatfish
Originally Posted By: RMOROTT21
Mark no reason to explain to this guy he prolly never fished them when yall put them on up here


EXACTLY!!!!!

I'm not sure why these guys think they will fish the BFL, make the regional, then the all American, then the CUP. All while not having to drive more than 3 hours from home.

I find this extremely comical.

IF . And that's a big if , all of the tournaments in the BFl were in DFw and not a mile outside the limits, and you just so happen to qualify for the regional, and your good enough to make the all American (don't forget top 6 only) . And you drive or fly or teleport, however you want to get there, cuz you won't drive that far, to fish NickaJack (this years all american location, just for the point) against 10 guys who are considered Locals to the "river"... WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE???? They are going to rake you over the coals just like Dickey Newberry would have had the circuit just went to Rayburn and TBend. Why not get the butt whoopin over with early on?

You are going to have to branch out and become great on every lake in the country if you are truly trying to pursue the big time or make a name for yourself in the FLw circuits, the circuit coming to your home town for 4 tournaments in a row, or to prove your next point 2 of the 4, won't matter, your not gonna do a thing after that anyway...

I would like to see if you have ever fished the BFL when they can to cedar creek, texoma etc... We're you there? They gave you a shot, did you take advantage? 3 years ago the regional was right in our back yard here at texoma... Sounds like a good opportunity to make the all American.. Did you take advantage?

I don't want to answer my own question so please feel free.

soap

Sorry, I just don't think Mark has much defending to do, as it is not warranted.
You boys sign a petition that 150 of DFW finest would indeed fish the BFL should they bring it closer to the Metromess, I bet they would gladly entertain the idea... Until then, we will fish TBend, Rayburn and the red whole everyone else whines


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#9276431 - 08/30/13 10:18 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
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I think it would pull a good turnout if the schedule looked like this: feb rayburn, march LBJ, April Travis, May Choke Canyon, Sept. 2 day on Toledo.

TTZ pulls some good numbers in the Austin area. I know it probably wont happen but they gave the DFW area 2 years why not give Austin a chance.

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#9276432 - 08/30/13 10:18 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
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Tejasbasshunter, to pick a specific region of Texas and roll with it is truly the best way for us. Otherwise, you just get local "jack potters" that show up and fish specific events. This way the majority of the guys fish all five tournaments. We feel that the best chance for us to draw good numbers is around Sam Rayburn and Toledo Bend.

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#9276433 - 08/30/13 10:18 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
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Hey dont get me wrong basin was a cool place to see ONE time but not anymore

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#9276441 - 08/30/13 10:20 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
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Good food there too Ryan!

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#9276495 - 08/30/13 10:47 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
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Originally Posted By: Mark McWha
Tejasbasshunter, to pick a specific region of Texas and roll with it is truly the best way for us. Otherwise, you just get local "jack potters" that show up and fish specific events. This way the majority of the guys fish all five tournaments. We feel that the best chance for us to draw good numbers is around Sam Rayburn and Toledo Bend.



So, I guess local jack potters are not on Rayburn or Toledo right? Ya'll are a joke.

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#9276517 - 08/30/13 10:54 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
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Peter check the results, it is not always locals winning. Ken Smith and David Waller are DFW guys that can win on Rayburn anytime. And Phil Marks

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#9276530 - 08/30/13 10:56 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
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And what he is getting at is in SE Texas the mass of the guys fish all 5 not just 1 or 2

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#9276543 - 08/30/13 11:04 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: RMOROTT21]
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Originally Posted By: RMOROTT21
Hey dont get me wrong basin was a cool place to see ONE time but not anymore


Dang when did they go to the basin I miss that place!!

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#9276550 - 08/30/13 11:05 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
RMOROTT21 Offline
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last year basin and bayou black

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#9276576 - 08/30/13 11:23 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: jmj201]
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Originally Posted By: jmj201
Peter check the results, it is not always locals winning. Ken Smith and David Waller are DFW guys that can win on Rayburn anytime. And Phil Marks


The individual names you have mentioned all live within a reasonable driving distance to Rayburn and Toledo in comparison to Central and West Texas etc. The whole deal is they're many lakes in Texas that can hold a BFL size tournament that they have never set foot on however the numbers thing continue to come up. How can you say it will be a low turn out if the organization has never been there? Comes right back to the statement that it is favoring a particular region of the state. Spread it out and try something new but that seems to be too difficult or is it the comfort zone thing?

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#9276606 - 08/30/13 11:45 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
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Killeen and Dfw are pretty close to the same drive time to Rayburn.

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#9276625 - 08/31/13 12:03 AM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: jmj201]
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Originally Posted By: jmj201
Killeen and Dfw are pretty close to the same drive time to Rayburn.



It's 5-5 1/2hrs from killeen to Rayburn and another 30min to Toledo. I know the distances...I used to fish the BFL until they started catering to the Rayburn and Toledo Jack potters. Distance is an issue but the main issue is the repetitiveness of the locations. Until it changes and fishes Texas as a whole, the numbers will never be what they really truly want it to be. I for one will not participate until its leveled across the board.

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#9276635 - 08/31/13 12:11 AM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
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Pete, give me a sample schedule of what you're talking about. Start in February and end in September. 5 tournaments.

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#9276646 - 08/31/13 12:28 AM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
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Originally Posted By: Mark McWha
Pete, give me a sample schedule of what you're talking about. Start in February and end in September. 5 tournaments.



Mark, off the top of my head this is a sample of branching out. A few tweaks and the variety would interest more anglers in my opinion.

Feb-Lake Austin
March-Rayburn
April-Choke Canyon
June- Lake Tawakoni
Sept- Toledo for the two day



Edited by Peter L. (08/31/13 08:48 AM)

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#9276966 - 08/31/13 08:30 AM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Peter L.]
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Originally Posted By: Peter L.
Originally Posted By: jmj201
Killeen and Dfw are pretty close to the same drive time to Rayburn.



It's 5-5 1/2hrs from killeen to Rayburn and another 30min to Toledo. I know the distances...I used to fish the BFL until they started catering to the Rayburn and Toledo Jack potters. Distance is an issue but the main issue is the repetitiveness of the locations. Until it changes and fishes Texas as a whole, the numbers will never be what they really truly want it to be. I for one will not participate until its leveled across the board.


They cater to where they believe they will get the best turnout, its a business.
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#9276973 - 08/31/13 08:36 AM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
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it kinda sucks that it's as far away as it is but i get it. you can still get a few from dfw, you can also pull from houston, did you see the crowds at the bass event in orange right down the road, not even to mention the la fishing fanatics. makes perfect since that all those options out weigh dfw crowd, plus how can you really be mad or tired of fishing those 2 lakes. if fork had a no slot they'd fish it every yr too, but then it might not be fork. good luck with the series to all involved, to those who are not involved quit whining and go fish what works for you instead of knocking a man's hard work.
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#9276987 - 08/31/13 08:45 AM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
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The SETX guys are right, we are whinning......

Continue down the same path of no growth and repeat lakes.
Eventually it will get you. If your not growing than your falling behind.

BASS has opened the door by dumping the Weekend series, who will step up and take advantage?
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#9277772 - 08/31/13 03:00 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Peter L.]
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Please throw the North Texas guys a bone. Over 6.5 million people live in the DFW area.
In BFL events during 2011-2013 Sam has averaged 111 boats and Toledo had 97 per event. Surely you can break even in a 100 boat tournament on Ray Roberts, Richland Chambers, maybe Lewisville or even Ray Hubbard.

February-South Texas, Choke Canyon?
March-East Texas, Sam Rayburn
April-N. Texas
June-Central Texas. Austin, Belton, Waco?
Sept-Toledo Bend
I know life is not fair, and it is a business, but what annoys me is that all of the SE folks have the BFLs within 100 miles of them, and none of the events are within 200 miles of DFW.

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#9277794 - 08/31/13 03:11 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
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Wonder if they could try North Cowboy division, and actually draw on 2 divisions?

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#9277852 - 08/31/13 03:35 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: fosterfence]
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Originally Posted By: fosterfence
Wonder if they could try North Cowboy division, and actually draw on 2 divisions?


They tried that and it did not work. 50 to 60 boats per event in the DFW area while the La/Tx drew almost double. After the 2 years with low numbers they had to make a business decision. DFW was not good for them.

I do wish they would try the Austin and San Antonio market. Fewer trails in this area and the ones that are here pull good numbers. The Hill Country has some damn good sticks too.

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#9280517 - 09/01/13 07:04 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: jmj201]
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2009
Cowboy

60 T-Bend
58 Rayburn
58 Texoma
45 Cedar Creek
59 Texoma

Doesnt look like T-Bend or Rayburn was much different in that division.

Originally Posted By: jmj201

They tried that and it did not work. 50 to 60 boats per event in the DFW area while the La/Tx drew almost double. After the 2 years with low numbers they had to make a business decision. DFW was not good for them.
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#9280552 - 09/01/13 07:21 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
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There was a La/Tx division that year. Look its numbers up.

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#9280928 - 09/01/13 10:14 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
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change is needed for sure, and I enjoyed the basin.
Just my 2 cents

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#9281045 - 09/01/13 11:19 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: jmj201]
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Originally Posted By: jmj201
There was a La/Tx division that year. Look its numbers up.


2007
Cowboy

164 Rayburn
111 Livingston
104 Conroe
101 T-Bend
137 Rayburn

2008
Cowboy

55 Whitney
57 Lewisville
58 Palestine
52 Chambers
65 Texoma

LA/Texas
179 Rayburn
123 Red River
130 Red River
127 T-Bend
94 Rayburn

2009
Cowboy

60 T-Bend
58 Rayburn
58 Texoma
45 Cedar Creek
59 Texoma

LA/Texas
134 Rayburn
115 T-Bend
117 Red River
100 T-Bend
105 Rayburn

2010
Cowboy

126 T-Bend
125 Rayburn
106 Rayburn
96 Red River
91 T-Bend

2011
Cowboy

110 T-Bend
108 Rayburn
81 Livingston
76 Red River
72 Red River

2012
Cowboy

93 Rayburn
72 T-Bend
58 Basin
47 Black
77 LOP

2013
Cowboy

132 Rayburn
116 T-Bend
115 Rayburn
93 T-Bend
(TBD) Rayburn
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#9281074 - 09/01/13 11:56 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
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Thanks for posting those numbers. You can see that when they stay in SE Texas the draw is a lot larger.

In 2008 the entries for the first three DFW area Cowboy events added together do not equal the draw to the first La/Tx event.

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#9293680 - 09/06/13 04:45 PM Re: COWBOY BFL 2014 schedule [Re: Mark McWha]
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The trail should be the called the Texas/Louisna division, not the Cowboy division.

The BFL is putting Louisiana ahead of the remining state of Texas.

What happened in 2012 when the trail favored Lousiana lakes?
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