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#9168014 - 07/26/13 02:18 PM 2014 Schedules?
Rob Lay Offline
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when will next years schedules start coming out? I'm mainly interested in FLW, Basschamps, and TTT. thanks.
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#9168025 - 07/26/13 02:20 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
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You're not going to fish the Platinum trail?
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#9168035 - 07/26/13 02:24 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
bigcat85 Offline
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they usally start coming out around october

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#9168066 - 07/26/13 02:36 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
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2014 TXTT scheduled events:

Feb. 15 – Sam Rayburn Lake
March 15 – Lake Ray Roberts
April 12 – Lake Texoma
May 3 – Lake Livingston

Championship – June 7-8 – Toledo Bend Lake

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#9168183 - 07/26/13 03:14 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: YankHardReelFast]
Rob Lay Offline
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Originally Posted By: YankHardReelFast
You're not going to fish the Platinum trail?


I love the format, the dates and lakes don't fit me. First one in middle of hunting season and then too long of break before some summer stops that will favor local jackpotters. When I play poker at the Casino I bet about 10% against the locals vs. what I do the home games. laugh I'm thinking Bass Champs North next year and will submit for FLW Elites Coangler for season, but doubt I will get accepted as only 40th in Everstart Texas so far.
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#9168184 - 07/26/13 03:14 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: R_L]
Rob Lay Offline
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Originally Posted By: R_L
2014 TXTT scheduled events:

Feb. 15 – Sam Rayburn Lake
March 15 – Lake Ray Roberts
April 12 – Lake Texoma
May 3 – Lake Livingston

Championship – June 7-8 – Toledo Bend Lake


thank you.
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#9168486 - 07/26/13 04:48 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
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Be looking for some news about another trail making its way into the Dallas Area!!
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#9168548 - 07/26/13 05:03 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rick61]
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Originally Posted By: Rick61
Be looking for some news about another trail making its way into the Dallas Area!!
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#9168695 - 07/26/13 05:44 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
jwallbassin Offline
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Originally Posted By: Rob Lay
Originally Posted By: YankHardReelFast
You're not going to fish the Platinum trail?


doubt I will get accepted as only 40th in Everstart Texas so far.


I was told if you put deposits down for all of them you shouldnt have any problem getting in.
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#9168919 - 07/26/13 07:06 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: jwallbassin]
Rob Lay Offline
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Originally Posted By: jwallbassin

I was told if you put deposits down for all of them you shouldnt have any problem getting in.


That would be great! Front row seat for all the pro action and get to fish yourself.
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#9168980 - 07/26/13 07:33 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
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I just joined FLW and I asked on their forum this week. They said right after the Championship in Shreveport they will announce the schedules.........
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#9169128 - 07/26/13 08:22 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
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Might hit Texas team trail next year, I like that every event is on a different lake.

Been getting in a rut fishin the same lakes for tournaments.

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#9169350 - 07/26/13 09:23 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
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If jack potters are a concern then Bass Champs is not for you.

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#9169354 - 07/26/13 09:25 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: slim 285]
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Originally Posted By: slim 285
Originally Posted By: Rick61
Be looking for some news about another trail making its way into the Dallas Area!!
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#9169601 - 07/26/13 10:53 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Donegonefishin]
Jaret Latta Offline
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Originally Posted By: Donegonefishin
If jack potters are a concern then Bass Champs is not for you.


Finally
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#9170087 - 07/27/13 09:14 AM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Donegonefishin]
Rob Lay Offline
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Originally Posted By: Donegonefishin
If jack potters are a concern then Bass Champs is not for you.


Much less of a concern than a trail with no championship and entry fees that give everything 2nd thought. Platinum is setup more for jackpotters than Champs or TTT. Everstart has started to become a jackpotter too and will get worse unless they get entires up. Prefish and because they don't fill just enter if on money fish. Not my style, but perfectly fine if that's the way series is. At least Platinum should fill up ahead of time.
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#9170107 - 07/27/13 09:22 AM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
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#9170145 - 07/27/13 09:35 AM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
Scott Gordon Offline
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Rob......where's the love?? Lol


quote=Rob Lay]when will next years schedules start coming out? I'm mainly interested in FLW, Basschamps, and TTT. thanks. [/quote]
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#9170177 - 07/27/13 09:50 AM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
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I hear Upward is starting a fishing trail for anglers that are scared of jackpotters. Ribbons for everyone!
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#9170178 - 07/27/13 09:50 AM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Scott Gordon]
Rob Lay Offline
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Originally Posted By: ScottABA
Rob......where's the love?? Lol


Now I'm embarrassed. I thought everyone knew it was a given I would be fishing the Grapevine series. smile. All other plans just to expand tournaments Mr. Nobody donates. laugh
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#9170193 - 07/27/13 09:56 AM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
whatsaweighin Offline
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Originally Posted By: Rob Lay
Originally Posted By: Donegonefishin
If jack potters are a concern then Bass Champs is not for you.


Much less of a concern than a trail with no championship and entry fees that give everything 2nd thought. Platinum is setup more for jackpotters than Champs or TTT. Everstart has started to become a jackpotter too and will get worse unless they get entires up. Prefish and because they don't fill just enter if on money fish. Not my style, but perfectly fine if that's the way series is. At least Platinum should fill up ahead of time.

How do you figure that platinum is more for jackpotters than the other ones. If you don't fish all I doubt you will get in any.

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#9170315 - 07/27/13 10:48 AM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: HEAVY SACK (aka Crankinstein)]
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I hear Upward is starting a fishing trail for anglers that are scared of jackpotters. Ribbons for everyone!
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#9170333 - 07/27/13 10:57 AM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: whatsaweighin]
Rob Lay Offline
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Originally Posted By: whatsaweighin

How do you figure that platinum is more for jackpotters than the other ones. If you don't fish all I doubt you will get in any.


True, we'll see where entries come in and how many fish all four. Not requiring series entry, high entry fee, and brush pile tournaments are just more conducive to jackpotters. The schedule doesn't suit me anyway, so doesn't matter.
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#9170354 - 07/27/13 11:04 AM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
whatsaweighin Offline
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Originally Posted By: Rob Lay
Originally Posted By: whatsaweighin

How do you figure that platinum is more for jackpotters than the other ones. If you don't fish all I doubt you will get in any.


True, we'll see where entries come in and how many fish all four. Not requiring series entry, high entry fee, and brush pile tournaments are just more conducive to jackpotters. The schedule doesn't suit me anyway, so doesn't matter.

You just described ttt and champs.

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#9170706 - 07/27/13 01:59 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
Chris Davis - USAFishingTrails Offline
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Originally Posted By: Rob Lay
Originally Posted By: whatsaweighin

How do you figure that platinum is more for jackpotters than the other ones. If you don't fish all I doubt you will get in any.


True, we'll see where entries come in and how many fish all four. Not requiring series entry, high entry fee, and brush pile tournaments are just more conducive to jackpotters. The schedule doesn't suit me anyway, so doesn't matter.


Rob,

I am sorry that the schedule for Platinum doesn't work for you. Maybe next year it will fit.

I hear a different definition for "jackpotter" depending on who I ask, but the Platinum Team Trail registration process/criteria was put in place to try and help eliminate "jackpotters," or at least people that only want to fish on the one lake they may be better than others on. Hopefully there will be 100 teams that fish all four tournaments, and the term "jackpotter" won't even come up again.
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#9170813 - 07/27/13 02:54 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
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Yes, I agree. IF you get 100 teams on August 1 that commit to all 4, then the term jackpotter can't be used. Well, unless its a known jackpotter that steps up and pays his fees for all 4 then happens to win the one on his home lake...then Katy-bar-the-door.

"He's a jackpotter."
"He didn't abide by the off limits."
"He cheated the polygraph."

LOL. I can't wait for December 6. This is going to a fun deal to be part of and/or watch!


Edited by YankHardReelFast (07/27/13 02:55 PM)
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#9171160 - 07/27/13 05:00 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Chris Davis - USAFishingTrails]
Rob Lay Offline
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Originally Posted By: Chris Davis - PTT | BLT | BNB
Hopefully there will be 100 teams that fish all four tournaments, and the term "jackpotter" won't even come up again.


I think 100 is great and you should fill up with just series entries, I'm afraid business sense overrules and there will be a sliding scale of entries. You always want x - 1 spots available where x is demand.
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#9171240 - 07/27/13 05:33 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Donegonefishin]
Rob Lay Offline
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Originally Posted By: Donegonefishin
If jack potters are a concern then Bass Champs is not for you.


Bass Champs North 2013 Top 3 from each event and how many of 5 events they fished. Tawakoni and Cedar Creek had the most jackpotters, but 10 out of 15 Top 3's fished more than one event, 9 out of 15 fished the entire series including 3 winners.

Lake Fork
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1 RANDY HURT ATOKA , OK JEFF CULBREATH *fished all 5!
2 MARK BIONDI SR BURLESON , TX BILLY BIONDI *fished all 5!
3 TRAVIS COPELAND SR GRAND SALINE , TX FRANK POLLEY *fished first 2.

Lake Ray Roberts #1
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1 JERRY DAVID II PILOT POINT , TX JON JOHNSON PILOT POINT , TX *fished all 5!
2 CHRIS NUNNELEE LANTANA , TX PAUL BOSCO COPPER CANYON , TX *just fished this one.
3 TERRY JOHNSON COPPELL , TX BILL GAMMONS *fished all 5!

Lake Tawakoni
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1 CARL TODD JR QUINLAN , TX JASON TODD *just fished this one.
2 GERALD BARBOUR EAST TAWAKONI , TX MATT HITT *fished all 5!
3 DOUG WHITLEY QUINLAN , TX BRYAN HARRISON QUINLAN , TX *just fished this one.

Lake Ray Roberts #2
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1 LEE LIVESAY GLADEWATER , TX CHAD BAILEY HASTINGS , OK *fished all 5!
2 ZACH PARKER DENTON , TX HEATH MOODY GRAPEVINE , TX *fished all 5!
3 KEVIN DRITSCHLER PROSPER , TX TIM BROCKWAY KAUFMAN , TX *fished all 5!

Cedar Creek
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1 STRIDER BROWNING GUN BARREL CITY , TX JEREMY ZMOLIK
KEMP , TX *just fished this one.
2 SKEETER FOWLER GRAND SALINE , TX DUSTIN HOBBS *fished all 5!
3 JAMES HISER KEMP , TX BRUCE SPRINGS *just fished this one.
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#9171331 - 07/27/13 06:13 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
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I am so confused on what the rule is for jackpotters.

Is it okay for jackpotters to fish in tournaments, just as long as they don't win the tournaments?

A fair comparison, and to the point I think you are trying to make, would be to take all of the teams that only fished one or two events and compare that to the total number of entries.

The top few places are determined by who has the best tournament, and this "jackpotter" argument seems to assume that jackpotters are better at certain lakes just because they like to fish that lake.
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#9171342 - 07/27/13 06:17 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
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I'll settle this!! I'll start a new thread on the definition of a jackpotter. I'm certain we'll all agree on that one, too.
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#9171361 - 07/27/13 06:24 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
Chris Davis - USAFishingTrails Offline
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I am not picking a "side" either way. Some people only like to fish on a particular lake or two, and some like to fish around on a few different lakes. I don't think either is right, or either is wrong. People just like different things.
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#9171467 - 07/27/13 07:25 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
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Originally Posted By: Rob Lay
Originally Posted By: Donegonefishin
If jack potters are a concern then Bass Champs is not for you.


Bass Champs North 2013 Top 3 from each event and how many of 5 events they fished. Tawakoni and Cedar Creek had the most jackpotters, but 10 out of 15 Top 3's fished more than one event, 9 out of 15 fished the entire series including 3 winners.

Lake Fork
---
1 RANDY HURT ATOKA , OK JEFF CULBREATH *fished all 5!
2 MARK BIONDI SR BURLESON , TX BILLY BIONDI *fished all 5!
3 TRAVIS COPELAND SR GRAND SALINE , TX FRANK POLLEY *fished first 2.

Lake Ray Roberts #1
---
1 JERRY DAVID II PILOT POINT , TX JON JOHNSON PILOT POINT , TX *fished all 5!
2 CHRIS NUNNELEE LANTANA , TX PAUL BOSCO COPPER CANYON , TX *just fished this one.
3 TERRY JOHNSON COPPELL , TX BILL GAMMONS *fished all 5!

Lake Tawakoni
---
1 CARL TODD JR QUINLAN , TX JASON TODD *just fished this one.
2 GERALD BARBOUR EAST TAWAKONI , TX MATT HITT *fished all 5!
3 DOUG WHITLEY QUINLAN , TX BRYAN HARRISON QUINLAN , TX *just fished this one.

Lake Ray Roberts #2
---
1 LEE LIVESAY GLADEWATER , TX CHAD BAILEY HASTINGS , OK *fished all 5!
2 ZACH PARKER DENTON , TX HEATH MOODY GRAPEVINE , TX *fished all 5!
3 KEVIN DRITSCHLER PROSPER , TX TIM BROCKWAY KAUFMAN , TX *fished all 5!

Cedar Creek
---
1 STRIDER BROWNING GUN BARREL CITY , TX JEREMY ZMOLIK
KEMP , TX *just fished this one.
2 SKEETER FOWLER GRAND SALINE , TX DUSTIN HOBBS *fished all 5!
3 JAMES HISER KEMP , TX BRUCE SPRINGS *just fished this one.


So 40% (only tourney they entered) 2 out 5 won the grand prize. Are you trying to prove my point our yours. By the way I'm not a hater I fished all five and donated to them all.

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#9171549 - 07/27/13 07:50 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Donegonefishin]
Rob Lay Offline
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Originally Posted By: Donegonefishin

So 40% (only tourney they entered) 2 out 5 won the grand prize. Are you trying to prove my point our yours. By the way I'm not a hater I fished all five and donated to them all.


Neither, just posting actual facts instead of assumptions and emotions. Just trying to learn, appears there are jackpotters in Bass Champs, but I would say with so many regulars finishing in top 3 it isn't bad.

End of this year I will go through every series in Texas documenting regular vs. jackpotter placers, last minute entries allowed, and paybacks. Will be fun end of 2014 to look back to see the Platinum results. How many jackpotters placed and also if they raised entries above 100 against their word.
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#9171555 - 07/27/13 07:55 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
Chris Davis - USAFishingTrails Offline
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Originally Posted By: Rob Lay
Originally Posted By: Donegonefishin

So 40% (only tourney they entered) 2 out 5 won the grand prize. Are you trying to prove my point our yours. By the way I'm not a hater I fished all five and donated to them all.


Neither, just posting actual facts instead of assumptions and emotions. Just trying to learn, appears there are jackpotters in Bass Champs, but I would say with so many regulars finishing in top 3 it isn't bad.

End of this year I will go through every series in Texas documenting regular vs. jackpotter placers, last minute entries allowed, and paybacks. Will be fun end of 2014 to look back to see the Platinum results. How many jackpotters placed and also if they raised entries above 100 against their word.


Rob,

Nobody has ever said that the number of entries would never be raised.


Edited by Chris Davis - PTT | BLT | BNB (07/27/13 08:00 PM)
Edit Reason: never mind
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#9171565 - 07/27/13 07:59 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
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Let me get a little popcorn going

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#9171568 - 07/27/13 08:01 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: whatsaweighin]
Chris Davis - USAFishingTrails Offline
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Originally Posted By: whatsaweighin
Let me get a little popcorn going


Why?
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#9171630 - 07/27/13 08:29 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
Trey E Offline
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TTZ welcomes jackpotters, guides, pros, people in jerseys, beer drinkers, people with wrapped boats, people with jon boats, people with center consoles, and hackish amateurs like myself. I guarantee that no matter what category (or how many) you fall in, you will have a good time.

Stay tuned for more news this fall on where and when we will be fishing. Definitely have bigger and better things in store for 2014.


Edited by Trey E (07/27/13 08:29 PM)

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#9171656 - 07/27/13 08:45 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
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I define jack potters as those that only fish tournaments on certain lakes and don't follow a trail.

Example series A has tournaments on rayburn, Liv ,Conroe , Somerville

A team only enters the rayburn tourney, and their next tourney is whomevers next tourney falls on rayburn. They don't follow a series.

You can't stop it, and really shouldn't care too. It's thier perogative to just fish tourneys on their home lake.

If you are afraid of who might show up in a tourney you've already lost.

Worry more about the fish and less about what others are doing , or just fish on your home lake or fish club stuff etc....

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#9171699 - 07/27/13 09:05 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: 90 5.0]
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Originally Posted By: 90 5.0
You can't stop it, and really shouldn't care too. It's thier perogative to just fish tourneys on their home lake.


you certainly can stop it, but I agree there doesn't appear to be any trails in Texas right now that you have to sign up for series to get entry. too many tournaments competing right now to fill up series entries only. that may be a good niche for some series in future. until then nothing illegal or wrong in my book about jackpotting, so go for it if that's how you do it.
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#9171724 - 07/27/13 09:16 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
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Rob, can you shoot me a text? I tried to PM you but your box is full.
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#9171801 - 07/27/13 09:42 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
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Why is everyone afraid of jackpotters? You are supposed to be fishing against the fish and not the other competitors.

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#9171817 - 07/27/13 09:49 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
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I agree with Rob. You can stop jackpotters a by doing exactly what PTT did (if it works the way I think it will). Enter all of them at once or don't get entered.
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#9171829 - 07/27/13 09:54 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: 90 5.0]
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Originally Posted By: YankHardReelFast
I'll settle this!! I'll start a new thread on the definition of a jackpotter. I'm certain we'll all agree on that one, too.


That one didn't last long!

Originally Posted By: 90 5.0
If you are afraid of who might show up in a tourney you've already lost.

Worry more about the fish and less about what others are doing



That is why most people have lost before they even put the boat in the water. I've even done it to myself before!

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#9171830 - 07/27/13 09:54 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: rp2987]
Rob Lay Offline
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Originally Posted By: rp2987
Why is everyone afraid of jackpotters? You are supposed to be fishing against the fish and not the other competitors.


not worried about jackpotters, but out of 100 considerations for a series, one of them when you are doing the entire series is how your value will be decreased by jackpotters. it might not be enough to pick another series or it might. most bass tournaments are weighted VERY heavy to the win for payback. you can look at it as a series angler that you are going for consistent finishes anyway and doesn't matter what happens at the top or you can look at it that your odds at the heavily weighted 1st prize are diminished. maybe best you don't have mindset of a good businessman when it comes to these jackpotter friendly series. jackpotters will fight to the death for their gravy train calling everyone else names. a "series" type angler like myself just has to weigh everything on table and make best decision.
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#9171856 - 07/27/13 10:04 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
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Originally Posted By: Rob Lay
Originally Posted By: rp2987
Why is everyone afraid of jackpotters? You are supposed to be fishing against the fish and not the other competitors.


not worried about jackpotters, but out of 100 considerations for a series, one of them when you are doing the entire series is how your value will be decreased by jackpotters. it might not be enough to pick another series or it might. most bass tournaments are weighted VERY heavy to the win for payback. you can look at it as a series angler that you are going for consistent finishes anyway and doesn't matter what happens at the top or you can look at it that your odds at the heavily weighted 1st prize are diminished. maybe best you don't have mindset of a good businessman when it comes to these jackpotter friendly series. jackpotters will fight to the death for their gravy train calling everyone else names. a "series" type angler like myself just has to weigh everything on table and make best decision.





Huh? Maybe I'm a little slow, but I didn't follow this.

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#9171946 - 07/27/13 10:31 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
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So what's the definition of a jackpotter? Someone who's good on a certain lake and fishes tournaments?
I'm pretty sure that every major tournament lake in Texas has local sticks who will take your money, regardless if its a series with a championship or not.
If that's the definition of a jackpotter, then they've been around forever and always will be.
What's next? A rule "if you've won a tournament on this lake in the last 12 months you can't fish it"?
To get better, you have to fish against the best competition.
Isn't it most tournament fishermen's goal to get better? Or is it just to have a "win" ?
If its just to have a win, then a local bass club is your best best, if its to get better, challenging yourself against the best you can will get you there if you make a point to learn every time out.
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#9172005 - 07/27/13 10:48 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
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if someone want's to avoid jackpotters, they need to fish club tournaments that require two or three entry fees ahead to enter a tournament. If you fish Basschamps, BudLite, Media, Ignition, BFL,BASS Opens, Lone Series or any of the other local tournaments where if you want to compete, you have to compete against the best.

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#9172060 - 07/27/13 11:05 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
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Originally Posted By: Rob Lay
Originally Posted By: rp2987
Why is everyone afraid of jackpotters? You are supposed to be fishing against the fish and not the other competitors.


not worried about jackpotters, but out of 100 considerations for a series, one of them when you are doing the entire series is how your value will be decreased by jackpotters. it might not be enough to pick another series or it might. most bass tournaments are weighted VERY heavy to the win for payback. you can look at it as a series angler that you are going for consistent finishes anyway and doesn't matt what happens at the to look tyouodds at the heavily weighted 1st prize are diminished. maybe best you don't have mindset of a good businessman when it comes to these jackpotter friendly series. jackpotters will fight to the death for their gravy train calling everyone else names. a "series" type angler like myself just has to weigh everything on table and make best decision.

I like to compete, 99 percent of the time I get my tail kicked, but I still like to compete. What I have figured out is your not going to find an easy win. Whether you call them jackpotters, local sticks, whatever. They are in every trail all over this state. One day the stars are going to line up and I will win one. It might as wellbe a good one, and when it happens I would just as soon say I beat the best available. I could care less about the money cause it is not about that. It's about a goal. If you don't want to fish it then don't. But why keep throwing around this "jackpotters" term like they are second class and you the "series" guy is out for a higher purpose. It's horse manure. You want to compete in a controlled environment that omits some of the best on a lake, that's like winning the 3rd flight in a golf tourney who really cares you would just be the best of the rest.


Edited by whatsaweighin (07/27/13 11:21 PM)

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#9172130 - 07/27/13 11:52 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
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What's weigin, what rob was getting at if I understand him correctly which I'm pretty sure I do because I've gone up against it before is alot of times depending on series you are fishing against people's home lakes, and it's much harder to run for first.

Look at it this way, if in every tournament on the trail there were teams that only fished that one lake they don't have to practice the others in the trail, and tow makes a huge difference.

If its more even ground ie not always going against home lakers.

There will almost always be someone's home lake to go against besides the few trails whose championship lake is not a regular lake for the series or even close to the region.

That's fishing though, but given basically the same practice chances on a strange lake it sure ropes in the chances at a win vs a place.

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#9172145 - 07/28/13 12:06 AM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: Rob Lay]
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If we are not worried about jackpotters or home lake advantage. Why do some events not allow guides to fish.

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#9173024 - 07/28/13 12:09 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: whatsaweighin]
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Originally Posted By: whatsaweighin
Originally Posted By: Rob Lay
Originally Posted By: rp2987
Why is everyone afraid of jackpotters? You are supposed to be fishing against the fish and not the other competitors.


not worried about jackpotters, but out of 100 considerations for a series, one of them when you are doing the entire series is how your value will be decreased by jackpotters. it might not be enough to pick another series or it might. most bass tournaments are weighted VERY heavy to the win for payback. you can look at it as a series angler that you are going for consistent finishes anyway and doesn't matt what happens at the to look tyouodds at the heavily weighted 1st prize are diminished. maybe best you don't have mindset of a good businessman when it comes to these jackpotter friendly series. jackpotters will fight to the death for their gravy train calling everyone else names. a "series" type angler like myself just has to weigh everything on table and make best decision.

I like to compete, 99 percent of the time I get my tail kicked, but I still like to compete. What I have figured out is your not going to find an easy win. Whether you call them jackpotters, local sticks, whatever. They are in every trail all over this state. One day the stars are going to line up and I will win one. It might as wellbe a good one, and when it happens I would just as soon say I beat the best available. I could care less about the money cause it is not about that. It's about a goal. If you don't want to fish it then don't. But why keep throwing around this "jackpotters" term like they are second class and you the "series" guy is out for a higher purpose. It's horse manure. You want to compete in a controlled environment that omits some of the best on a lake, that's like winning the 3rd flight in a golf tourney who really cares you would just be the best of the rest.


platinum series is going to awesome. They will easily fill up. Good job and format BLT, BNB folks.

I don't think Rob is knocking jackpotters just talking common sense. You don't have to be scared of a jackpotter to know what one is. To tell you the truth I want to be a jackpotter, just fish too many lakes to be good on any one in particular. Jackpotters/local sticks are just part of it and will not ever keep me from entering a tourney with a reasonable entry.
You can fish with KVD on fork against Eric Wright and Cody Malone.
I will bet my house you and KVD will lose 8 out of 10 times.
Same bet on GVINE except you fish against Dillard and Shipe.
Same results.
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#9173033 - 07/28/13 12:13 PM Re: 2014 Schedules? [Re: pagemaster]
Rob Lay Offline
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Originally Posted By: pagemaster
If we are not worried about jackpotters or home lake advantage. Why do some events not allow guides to fish.


because jackpotters were complaining about getting beat, all comes back to the gravy train. laugh
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