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#8927124 - 05/13/13 11:20 AM Jackson Kilroy opinions
joho5 Offline
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Registered: 07/03/08
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Loc: Abbott, TX
Im curious about this boat. Something about it is intriguing to me.

What would be the ill benefits of having a sit inside vs a sit on top when both set up for fishing?

This boat still has all the Jackson seat / storage / etc features as the cuda and coosa.

I want to look at the negatives of having a sit inside like this.

Also has anyone paddled one? Id like to know how it paddles / tracks compared to a cuda.

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#8927215 - 05/13/13 11:47 AM Re: Jackson Kilroy opinions [Re: joho5]
wh2004 Offline
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Registered: 07/17/10
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Loc: Weatherford, TX
They are pretty cool looking. I want the Orion for hunting.
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#8927366 - 05/13/13 12:34 PM Re: Jackson Kilroy opinions [Re: joho5]
Palovik Offline
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Registered: 06/11/09
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Loc: Murphy, TX
The first shipments are coming now, local dealers should have them shortly. I will post when a dealer gets them so you can test paddle the kayak.

It is a very nice fishing platform.

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#8927392 - 05/13/13 12:42 PM Re: Jackson Kilroy opinions [Re: joho5]
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Like many things there are pros and cons vs. any right and wrong and a lot depends on your personal preference, how you are fishing and how you rig.

As one of the few who paddle a SINK here as their primary yak, the obvious negative is if you turtle, it's a major ordeal. Need to be able to get to a place you can bail/bilge or drag to shore.

A few pros/cons are:

A pro is your COG is usually lower since you are basically sitting on the hull of the boat vs. on the deck. In fact, if you did a profile of mine, you would see a significant portion of my body is actually below water line. This also helps reduce wind profile. The respective con is you are low in the water so less visibility, a lower casting angle that makes it a bit harder on shoulders (for me) and harder to get in and out.

I like that I have a "dashboard" in front of me to put stuff on, prop up rods, etc and sides that I can rest my paddle on while casting. Of course with rigging, any SOT can likely be made just as effective. Anything you store "below deck" in a SINK can be reasonably accessed with a bit of creativity - example, I put my cooler up in the bow - I push it up in there with my feet and retrieve it with a line attached. Same with minimally used extra tackle, etc. If you have stuffed stored below deck in many SOT's, you have to beach to get stuff out. OTOH, the SOT keeps stuff stored below deck drier where I have to use dry bags for anything I want to protect.

In high brush conditions, the SOT can be kept streamlined a lot easier IMO. I can store rods and gear inside if necessary while maintaining reasonable access and basically have a very clean profile so there are minimal things to get grabbed or hung up on - and my body is a lot better protected. In fact, I can and have slid forward underneath enough that just the top of my head is showing - kind of like a floating coffin. Very nice feature when river/creek running. Speaking of running in brush, I still haven't developed an exiting plan for the day a snake falls in my boat. I figure the plan will be fueled on adrenaline and fear and prob not be too pretty.

The SINK can be a drier ride on average (short of turtling). THis may be good or bad depending on your perspective and conditions. The SINK provides a bit more protection from the sun on your lower extremities. In colder weather, it can provide a bit more wind protection. This is why SINKS are still very popular in northern climates. A con to the SINK is I can't hang off the sides, dip my legs in the water - I'm a bit more locked-in-place and I have no doubt it would be claustrophobic for many SOT paddlers.

With that said, I believe if one weighed pros and cons, the SOT is prob a better choice for most paddlers for Texas fishing.

If you would consider something like the Jackson Kilroy, a commander or ultimate would also be competing choices IMO. I don't believe anyone could wrong buying something like the ultimate that Bert has advertised.



Edited by FishAll50 (05/13/13 01:17 PM)

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#8927436 - 05/13/13 01:04 PM Re: Jackson Kilroy opinions [Re: joho5]
joho5 Offline
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Registered: 07/03/08
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Loc: Abbott, TX
thanks for that write up...much appreciated.

I have never paddled or owned a sit inside so this is useful.

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#8927437 - 05/13/13 01:04 PM Re: Jackson Kilroy opinions [Re: joho5]
Slingbait Online   content
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Registered: 03/05/09
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Loc: Princeton,TX
I just want one because they look really cool. Just kidding, I am looking forward to checking one out. I agree with the pro and con examples from Fishall50. I think they would be good in certain situations.

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#8927567 - 05/13/13 01:38 PM Re: Jackson Kilroy opinions [Re: joho5]
joho5 Offline
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Registered: 07/03/08
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Loc: Abbott, TX
my main concern is the paddling / tracking...I go on some long one day runs and need something thats decent into a head wind / current.

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#8927624 - 05/13/13 01:53 PM Re: Jackson Kilroy opinions [Re: joho5]
Nathan "Bull" Montgomery Offline
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Registered: 02/23/11
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Loc: Fort Worth, Tx.
I also use a sit inside and I can attest that the wind profile is much lower. I don't seem to get blown around near as much as my sit on counterparts do.
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#8927625 - 05/13/13 01:53 PM Re: Jackson Kilroy opinions [Re: joho5]
FishAll50 Online   content
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Registered: 05/14/12
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Loc: McKinney and Pottsboro, Tx
I believe tracking is more contingent on hull design vs. SOT/SINK. However, I will go out on a limb here with a generalization and say that since SINKS likely tend to be less influenced by outside factors such as wind, they likely tend to track better all other things being equal. From a profile perspective, I think the SINK tends to be cleaner and probably more "aerodynamic" - consider this: long distance sea kayaks are typically SINKS.

Does it matter for day trips? IMO, probably not a whole lot...prob the features of the boat for what you are wanting to use it for play a bigger role. As an extreme, I would never want to fish out of a skirted sea kayak just to get an extra MPH of speed, etc.

With all that said, the more I look at the Kilroy, the more I like it.


Edited by FishAll50 (05/13/13 02:07 PM)

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#8927751 - 05/13/13 02:28 PM Re: Jackson Kilroy opinions [Re: joho5]
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Registered: 09/11/05
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Loc: Garland, TX
Pretty cool kayak. I like the rod tubes that they copied from the PA. It looks a lot like the commander too. Can't wait to see more specs, pricing and reviews.
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#8927790 - 05/13/13 02:39 PM Re: Jackson Kilroy opinions [Re: joho5]
Nathan "Bull" Montgomery Offline
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Registered: 02/23/11
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Loc: Fort Worth, Tx.
Wow I really like the looks of this thing too. If I can ever get the money together I think this will be my next kayak. Seems like it blends SOT features and SINK features pretty well and the ability to stand in a SINK is pretty awesome too! Great job Jackson!
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#8927814 - 05/13/13 02:43 PM Re: Jackson Kilroy opinions [Re: Slingbait]
FishAll50 Online   content
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Registered: 05/14/12
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Loc: McKinney and Pottsboro, Tx
Originally Posted By: Slingbait
I just want one because they look really cool. Just kidding, I am looking forward to checking one out. I agree with the pro and con examples from Fishall50. I think they would be good in certain situations.



Re: the look cool part. Jackson needs to get rid of their Wal-Mart smiley face logo for something a bit more "professional". Likewise, while their seat is supposedly one of the better in the marketplace, it almost looks home-made - Hobie and Native have the best looking seats IMO. But I really like a lot of the hard features that JK builds into their boats - rod stagers, etc. IMO, Jackson's are "the engineer's boat".

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#8929499 - 05/13/13 10:08 PM Re: Jackson Kilroy opinions [Re: FishAll50]
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The Kilroy is more of a hybrid. It is built on the same platform as the Cuda 12 but it has an open cockpit. The stability and tracking are going to be very similar to the C12 but even better as you will be sitting lower and as previously stated that will cause less wind resistance. Think of it along the lines off a Native Ultimate. I think it's going to be a home run for Jackson. flehan
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#8929731 - 05/13/13 11:04 PM Re: Jackson Kilroy opinions [Re: joho5]
joho5 Offline
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Registered: 07/03/08
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Loc: Abbott, TX
Why would someone get this over the cuda 12v or vice versa?

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#8929940 - 05/14/13 02:15 AM Re: Jackson Kilroy opinions [Re: joho5]
Jerry Hamon Online   happy
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Originally Posted By: joho5
Why would someone get this over the cuda 12v or vice versa?


That just depends on personal preference. In the winter time I like a SINK or a hybrid because they are a warmer/dryer boat (you can just step in without getting wet). When I had my first yak about 8 years ago it was a Heritage 10' Angler SINK and I liked the idea of putting my stuff under the rear deck and I had a small spray skirt to help keep the sun off of my legs. It's the old Ford/Chevy thing. I suggest when they come in that you give one a spin and see what you think of it. Kayak Instruction should have a shipment any day with several on it.
I have a Cuda 12 and it is an awesome boat. I intend to buy a Kilroy for winter trips and overnight trips because it's much easier to stow away gear under the rear deck.

As mentioned in another post about SINK's a SOT (Cuda 12) is more preferred because of ease of accessing your gear in the rear well, water in/water out via the scuppers, and much safer and easier if you turtle to flip and re-enter.
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