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#7773205 - 07/17/12 06:54 PM 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer
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Claims to be a sit-on-top version of the Ultimate line, and it'll come in 12.5' and 14' versions. It appears to take a feature or two from the Jackson line(hi/Low seat and tackle tray slots). This should go head to head against the Ride 135/115 and Jackson Cuda 14/12 and Coosa.





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#7773219 - 07/17/12 07:00 PM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Neumie]
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Cant wait to get my hands on one!

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#7773243 - 07/17/12 07:07 PM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Neumie]
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Looks nice what's one of the 12'srs going to cost?


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#7773259 - 07/17/12 07:11 PM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Neumie]
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That looks sick


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#7773281 - 07/17/12 07:17 PM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Neumie]
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I wish it had an enclosed bow hatch instead of the open area. I have to have storage inside the kayak for camping purposes. The more the better. Looks like all the kayak companies are going to copy the jacksons now



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#7773398 - 07/17/12 07:48 PM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Neumie]
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Looks pretty sick. I love my U12 but have been thinking seriously about getting a SOT because it drives me crazy that the Ultimates don't self bail. This makes more sense.


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#7773439 - 07/17/12 07:57 PM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Neumie]
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Yup it's going to be a sweet yak. Can't wait to get one on the water.

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#7773602 - 07/17/12 08:49 PM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Neumie]
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Gosh, my upgrade decision for the spring is getting harder and harder! I'll have to give this one a try if possible!

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#7774352 - 07/18/12 12:04 AM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Neumie]
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Daveg99, the new Slayers front storage area is the exact size as the Ultimates.....so you can put one of the Native Fish Bags in that spot which are water tight and a nice addition. Also they will have hatch options available. This will be a killer yak. My hope is they will come out with the Propel Slayer! THat will be an unbeatable kayak!


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#7774364 - 07/18/12 12:13 AM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Neumie]
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I saw a thread about stability of Coosa & I would not own 1, give me the RIDE

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#7774373 - 07/18/12 12:21 AM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Roofish]
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That looks like a very sweet ride for sure. thumb
It says that a hatch cover is optional.



Originally Posted By: Roofish
I saw a thread about stability of Coosa & I would not own 1, give me the RIDE

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#7774509 - 07/18/12 04:51 AM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Neumie]
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Coosa , Ride, Slayer. (Chevy,Ford,Dodge) Paddle all buy the one you like.

The groove track and battery box are cool. I think all fishing yaks will have groove track on them standard pretty soon.


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#7774811 - 07/18/12 08:21 AM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Neumie]
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The 14.5 looks like a great boat!

No info on their site is there a rudder option?



Edited by GoKart Mozart (07/18/12 08:26 AM)
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#7774922 - 07/18/12 08:52 AM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Roofish]
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Originally Posted By: Roofish
I saw a thread about stability of Coosa & I would not own 1, give me the RIDE


"you saw a thread " when do you not ever see a thread...LOL

Coosa is very stable, try one before you talk about what you do not know roo.

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#7775002 - 07/18/12 09:13 AM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Neumie]
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As far as I can tell there arent any hatches on this. How do you store your rods inside the kayak on it? Even with a cover on the front hatch it still wastes a lot of available space inside the hull.

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#7775033 - 07/18/12 09:21 AM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Neumie]
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The hatch behind the seat appears to be the only hatch and access point to the inside of the kayak. I think the front tankwell on this kayak is a bad idea and will be a turnoff to quite a few people since it doesn't allow internal storage.

Depending on how deep the cockpit is there may not have been a tremendous amount of internal storage anyways. However, any internal storage is good storage.



Edited by Neumie (07/18/12 09:23 AM)

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#7775046 - 07/18/12 09:25 AM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Just Fish]
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Originally Posted By: Just Fish
Originally Posted By: Roofish
I saw a thread about stability of Coosa & I would not own 1, give me the RIDE


"you saw a thread " when do you not ever see a thread...LOL

Coosa is very stable, try one before you talk about what you do not know roo.


He talks alot, that is all.


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#7775068 - 07/18/12 09:31 AM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Neumie]
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How much weight does it carry?


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#7775195 - 07/18/12 10:02 AM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Neumie]
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I like the color;)

The battery box and tracks are cool..I kinda like the open deck as well since I prefer to set it up my way....I dont like being ''told'' what to do:D
I agree though a little more internal storage would be nice.

Worth the test paddle.

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#7775218 - 07/18/12 10:09 AM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Neumie]
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It really is nice to see new things push the market. It only makes it better for all of us!


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#7775249 - 07/18/12 10:17 AM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Txwhitacre]
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Originally Posted By: Txwhitacre
It really is nice to see new things push the market. It only makes it better for all of us!


No doubt this is a nice boat and I agree about the innovation however I have concerns about the direction it is going. It appears the "kayaks" are getting wider ,heavier and, more costly. Personally, I would like to see lighter, faster kayaks that are stable. Finally, finally, Native has installed a rear wheelie for transport...this should be done on all models many years ago...at lest a replaceable skid.


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#7775372 - 07/18/12 10:48 AM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Hooked on Kayaks]
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Originally Posted By: Hermes
Originally Posted By: Txwhitacre
It really is nice to see new things push the market. It only makes it better for all of us!


No doubt this is a nice boat and I agree about the innovation however I have concerns about the direction it is going. It appears the "kayaks" are getting wider ,heavier and, more costly. Personally, I would like to see lighter, faster kayaks that are stable. Finally, finally, Native has installed a rear wheelie for transport...this should be done on all models many years ago...at lest a replaceable skid.


I agree they do seem to be getting more $$. But faster does not usually equal more stable.


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#7775373 - 07/18/12 10:49 AM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Neumie]
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Hermes I agree but at some point it'll come full circle, maybe sooner than you think, and the innovation will be 'look how fast and wind-friendly' this model is... Dont get me wrong... I love my super stable commander, but i often wish i had a low-profile speed demon as well. Of course there are models that are like this now, but I don't really think the industry has really explored the idea that these traits can sometimes also be desirable in a fishing kayak...

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#7775460 - 07/18/12 11:02 AM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Neumie]
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They make these fancy new comfy seats but brag about how easy it is to stand in the kayaks. Why make a fancy seat if your going to stand most the time? I dont understand this stand in your kayak craze

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#7775491 - 07/18/12 11:10 AM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Daveg99]
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Originally Posted By: Daveg99
They make these fancy new comfy seats but brag about how easy it is to stand in the kayaks. Why make a fancy seat if your going to stand most the time? I dont understand this stand in your kayak craze




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#7775512 - 07/18/12 11:16 AM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Neumie]
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I also would like the option of the propel drive.


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#7775532 - 07/18/12 11:19 AM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Wafflejaw]
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Originally Posted By: Wafflejaw


LOL rolfmao


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#7775567 - 07/18/12 11:28 AM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Daveg99]
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Originally Posted By: Daveg99
They make these fancy new comfy seats but brag about how easy it is to stand in the kayaks. Why make a fancy seat if your going to stand most the time? I dont understand this stand in your kayak craze


I think if your sight fishing then it would be good to be able to do but I can promise you that right now I'm not standing much fishing in 20 feet of water. That's where the nice seat comes in play.

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#7775624 - 07/18/12 11:42 AM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Neumie]
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I know what your saying Dave, but to me the high seat position for fishing is amazing! Standing is a nice option but not a need.


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#7775642 - 07/18/12 11:45 AM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Daveg99]
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Originally Posted By: Daveg99
They make these fancy new comfy seats but brag about how easy it is to stand in the kayaks. Why make a fancy seat if your going to stand most the time? I dont understand this stand in your kayak craze


I don't really have any desire to stand while fishing traditional equipment. In these situations, I tend to agree with you and think that the "stable enough that you can stand and fish" is overrated as I wonder if there are that many people actually spending a significant portion of their fishing time standing.

Where I believe standing might be advantageous (for me) is when fly fishing. At some point I do want to test drive one of these "super stable" platforms with my fly rod in hand to see how it works. But currently I am more than pleased with my Tarpon 120 and fishing from a seated position.

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#7775847 - 07/18/12 12:36 PM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: LuvPondFishing]
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Originally Posted By: LuvPondFishing
Originally Posted By: Daveg99
They make these fancy new comfy seats but brag about how easy it is to stand in the kayaks. Why make a fancy seat if your going to stand most the time? I dont understand this stand in your kayak craze


I don't really have any desire to stand while fishing traditional equipment. In these situations, I tend to agree with you and think that the "stable enough that you can stand and fish" is overrated as I wonder if there are that many people actually spending a significant portion of their fishing time standing.


I have a Coosa and stand a lot because I get tired of sitting even in the comfortable seat. Another reason is that I feel like I can cast more accurately while standing. You also have the opportunity to sight fish which is always cool.

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#7776188 - 07/18/12 01:43 PM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Neumie]
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Brady nailed it. If I'm not paddling I'm usually standing. I'll sit if I get tired for a while but I'm more accurate and can pitch and flip a lot easier standing. Also if you're trying to sling a c-rig with a 2-3 foot leader it's easier to do standing. Everyone has there preference but I probably wont ever buy another kayak that I can't comfortably stand in.

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#7776332 - 07/18/12 02:14 PM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: N.Tex_paddler]
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Originally Posted By: N.Tex_paddler
Brady nailed it. If I'm not paddling I'm usually standing. I'll sit if I get tired for a while but I'm more accurate and can pitch and flip a lot easier standing. Also if you're trying to sling a c-rig with a 2-3 foot leader it's easier to do standing. Everyone has there preference but I probably wont ever buy another kayak that I can't comfortably stand in.


I agree but I think longer rods come in play with this as well. I think the shortest rod I have is 7' and the longest is 8'.

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#7776856 - 07/18/12 03:44 PM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Neumie]
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That is a nice ride!!

I just wanted to comment about standing. No it is not needed, but it does help in a few ways.

One, it just proves how stable the boat actually is.

Two, it is nice to stand and stretch your legs once in awhile after hours of sitting in a yak. (Plus it's nice to stand and pee overboard when needed).

And third, it's nice for launching at unusual launches. Hardly any of the places I launch have a nice shallow "beach" type area to launch. Most of them are bulkheads, docks, mother ships or steep banks. That is where the ability to stand in my boats gives me many more places that I can actually use it. So that one to me makes it a huge factor in increasing the overall usefulness of my boat if I can stand in it.


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#7777332 - 07/18/12 05:19 PM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Neumie]
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I agree with the ability to stand. I like being able to stand up, stretch my legs, get some blood flowing. And as far as fishing, I like most come from Bass Boats, think about it....how much do you sit?The only time I sat was motoring to another spot. I like standing and casting, I only know how to stand and Fly fish, and the guys on the coast that are fishing for Reds hardly ever sit. This like everything is personal preference. I for one have been waiting for the Slayer for a long time. I actually thought they would bring back the Native Magic but with Propel drive. The Slayer was a suprise...it looks like it will be a great boat, but again it needs the Propel Drive.


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#7778040 - 07/18/12 08:17 PM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Neumie]
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Don't get me wrong, I am a proud of a 2011 14.5 Ult. but this doesn't excite me as much as I would have hoped. I guess I was hoping that "my" kayak company would come to the table with a stronger response to the coosa, cuda and the new Hobie Pa 12. The Ace for Native use to be "Ultimate Seat" but it seems like Jackson matched it and Hobie with the new PA def has it beat. This might seem like I'm being tough on Native but it's been tough having to go to other companies for accessories that Native should have had out. Unfortunately it seems that Hobie will continue to lead the industry and Native will continue to move at their own pace.

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#7778080 - 07/18/12 08:24 PM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Neumie]
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I have a coosa and I stand a lot helps to stretch the back and in truth I like the balance workout.

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#7778509 - 07/18/12 09:51 PM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: JAlderson]
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Originally Posted By: JAlderson
Don't get me wrong, I am a proud of a 2011 14.5 Ult. but this doesn't excite me as much as I would have hoped. I guess I was hoping that "my" kayak company would come to the table with a stronger response to the coosa, cuda and the new Hobie Pa 12. The Ace for Native use to be "Ultimate Seat" but it seems like Jackson matched it and Hobie with the new PA def has it beat. This might seem like I'm being tough on Native but it's been tough having to go to other companies for accessories that Native should have had out. Unfortunately it seems that Hobie will continue to lead the industry and Native will continue to move at their own pace.


I agree to a point. But how much more is the Pa12 then this kayak? More them double the price?


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#7778555 - 07/18/12 10:00 PM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: BassFever]
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Im sure it will be half of what a PA is if not a little less then that. You really pay for pedal power! Love my Propel powered Mariner though. thumb

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#7778588 - 07/18/12 10:09 PM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: Neumie]
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When I'm in my yak, I am standing 75% of the time. I even paddle standing up unless I'm covering a long distance and want to move faster. I fly fish so its much easier for me to make a precise cast while standing. I have a U12 and am really looking forward to paddling this. I hope they keep the price reasonable.


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#7778601 - 07/18/12 10:12 PM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: armadillomojo]
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Originally Posted By: armadillomojo
Im sure it will be half of what a PA is if not a little less then that. You really pay for pedal power! Love my Propel powered Mariner though. thumb



I agree 100% add propel drive and I'm all in.


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#7781042 - 07/19/12 01:38 PM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: JAlderson]
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Originally Posted By: JAlderson
Don't get me wrong, I am a proud of a 2011 14.5 Ult. but this doesn't excite me as much as I would have hoped. I guess I was hoping that "my" kayak company would come to the table with a stronger response to the coosa, cuda and the new Hobie Pa 12. The Ace for Native use to be "Ultimate Seat" but it seems like Jackson matched it and Hobie with the new PA def has it beat. This might seem like I'm being tough on Native but it's been tough having to go to other companies for accessories that Native should have had out. Unfortunately it seems that Hobie will continue to lead the industry and Native will continue to move at their own pace.


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#7790733 - 07/21/12 10:49 PM Re: 2013 Native Watercraft Slayer [Re: BassFever]
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There will be a Bassyaks System available in a few weeks, it will be setup the same way as the Cuda which it was designed to compete against.


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