We have just received reports that a group of people were allowed in to fish Squaw.They were not TXU employees why were they allowed in?????????

[This message has been edited by Mr.Whiskers (edited 06-06-2002).]

Keep fighting the fight!

I talked to a gentleman I know who now lives down near Granbury this past weekend and asked him about Squaw Creek. He usually has good information for me. He informed me that the closing of Squaw Creek has virtually nothing to do with security, that's just the excuse TXU uses to keep it closed. The articles seem to diplomatically touch on this point. TXU has never liked people fishing on this lake and if they can do anything about it, they'll keep it from happening again. However, I have heard that sometimes (especially back in December and January) you'll find several TXU executives on the water in their boats. They're "checking the water for contamination". One fish at a time, I'm sure.

No one wants to recognize exactly what happened on September 11, 2001 nor who did it. There is a common denominator that is obviously apparent when you look at the pictures of the purpotrators of the terrorist attacks. You will have difficulty making the same connection to people who fish Squaw Creek. Political correctness, enviro-extremism, and removing all morals from our society will be the death of our nation. Cleon Skoussen predicted that if these are successful, America will be defeated without ever a shot fired.

I and others have often discussed how over the past few years it was becoming more and more apparent that TXU did not want anyone fishing "their" lake.

We have seen rules that limited numbers, tournament access and when you could arrive.

It has been known that TXU employees used the lake when it was closed and fished the bouyed off/restricted areas.

I'm afraid now we will never see it open to the public again.

I used to live in Dallas, now Abilene, but it was still worth the drive for the fishing.

Don't know if they are still floating around the bait shops. If they are put your name on the petition to reopen this lake. Man it bugs me when some authority closes a lake, river, or puts cables so far away from the spillway you cant fish it right. Sorry but Texas has changed since Ive come back home.

Like Champion's post..I live in Abilene now, and I used to live in Weatherford. I have only fished Squaw a couple of times, but those times were awesome fishing!! Squaw Creek is a gem in the fishing world, and I believe that with persistence, it will re-open. Don't ask me how, but the sportsmen of this great state are very powerful as a united front, and we can't be ignored. Get one of those petitions online and I'll print it out, sign it, fill it up, send it back to ya'.

gentlemen very interesting points,and for one that has never fished squaw,but always wanted to i may never get the chance. newspaper, mags, radio, may not be enough we may have to take the fight to the news media. (becky oliver)comes to mind. count me in on any petition that may be formed. ps. keep the fires burning!!!!

i just have an idea here. we have some pretty smart people on this forum and they use the internet quite a bit. what if we could get a website together that we could sign a petition then send it to TXU. or next brainstorm what if we were to overload their e-mail sites with requests to open the lake. i would think that we could some kind of response if we could find a way to do the website or find an e-mail to send our conserns to.

just my $.02
Mustang

E-Mail address:
txuenergy@txu.com

We have the right to change electric company since deregulations have gone in effect in TX. We are in the near future perparing a date to get fishermen to change companies if Squaw is not reopened. We will bombard them on one special day with pull outs. We will let you know when.

power to chose our electric companys http://www.powertochoose.org/yourchoice/yourchoiceframe.html

Do you think a few hundred fishermen are going to disrupt a nuc plant anymore than they're already disrupted? Check out the following article:

Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass., said the nation's 86 most sensitive nuclear power plants fail to screen workers for terrorist ties and don't know how many foreign nationals they employ.
"Terrorists may now be employed at nuclear reactors in the United States just as terrorists enrolled in flight schools in the U.S.," Markey said in his report, "Security Gap: A Hard Look at Soft Spots in Our Civilian Nuclear Reactor Security.”
Markey, a proponent of federalizing nuclear power plant safety, said the Nuclear Regulatory Commission has not sufficiently improved security since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
"The NRC is in the dark about what nuclear reactor licensees are doing to ensure the reactors are safe from attack," Markey told the Boston Herald.
NRC spokeswoman Diane Screnci declined to discuss the report's details, saying "we don't normally comment on press releases from members of Congress.”
She told The Boston Globe that security employees at nuclear plants are fingerprinted, and that minimum staffing levels are included in security plans filed with the NRC. Markey said the NRC doesn't check workers for possible terrorist ties.
"As long as they have no criminal record in this country, al-Qaida operatives are not required to pass any security check intended to find and expose terrorist links," he said.
Dave Lochbaum, a nuclear safety engineer with the Union of Concerned Scientists, said existing NRC-required background checks are "somewhat limited."
"I've worked in over 20 plants in the 17 years I was in the industry. Had I wanted to sabotage the plant, it wouldn't have been that difficult to do so," he said.

Guys, they've got one heck of a lot more sensitive worries than from a bunch of fishers. It would be a lot less stressful for you to find a conventional power plant lake and start fishing it.

Oh, and if you guys succeed...I'll hire you all out to work on the IRS next....

I was thinking about the dilemma here, and I have a question...
Doesn't the Parks and Wildlife stock this lake? (I know they do) Since they do stock the lake, or have stocked it, shoulodn't TXU be responsible for paying for those fish now? If it isn't going to be open to the public, and it's our dollars that stock the lake, shouldn't the state stand up for it's sportsmen and make them pay for the fish that are left in the lake?
I realize that it's a little far-fetched to pay for the fish in the lake, but there should be some sort of retribution made to the state since TXU has decided to give us the shaft.

Just thinkin'.....

They'd just get it back with a rate increase...

Change electric companies, then go fishing somewhere...you're wasting good fishing energy trying to figure out a way to shaft 'em and the only way is to quit doing business with them. Forget Squaw Creek and go catch some fish while the catching is good right now. All you're accomplishing is making yourself miserable.

I would like to see it open, but not the way it was. I hated those lines and the people at the ramps had the patiance of a knat as well as would cut somebody (me) off to get to the ramp or out of the water.

If they open it, ever, I would like it to be a deal where you send in and get a permit to fish it for a certain day, not every Joe Public sitting in line on Saturday and Sunday morning. I am convinced it will open again, but things will be different. Those fish are not going anywhere, they are just getting bigger and there will be a few more of them.

They need to add another ramp as well, but that is a different story. Why we are complaining, why not throw the Corp of Engineers in there. Why do they not work on ramps and courtesy docks when the lakes are low? Lots of people to be angry with and try to get them to change. However, we are in their world and subject to their rules. Live with them or live without them.

Hopefully it will open due to your work, but for now it is not. Things must change in the world, before we let some nut case on a lake that houses a nuclear reactor!

To address the one point somebody made many replies ago, sure some of the TXU employees fish the lake when it is closed. I have a great map that was made by TXU, so I know all the depths and spots and structures, humps, etc. I also had the opportunity to go with a guy who used to be high up with TXU and fish some "restricted areas". Same thing at Granbury, you see those TXU employees fishing the other side of the cable at the outlet. Heck that is one of the perks! They may view it as their lake as well, but we believe differently. If you do not like TXU, you now have the right to change your provider. However, I do not believe a few hundred fisherman changing power companies will change their mind.

Let me tell you a story about TXU. Years ago, when I lived in Cleburne, a power grid went down and lights were out for blocks, my house included. I went to a buddies house who worked for TXU and there were about five other TXU high ups who lived on his street. A few phone calls later, their power was on and mine was not for several hours. He simply called and when he reported the outage, he asked them "if it would make any difference that he was a TXU employee and so and so was also and they lived on his street." Who is to say if it worked like that are not, but their lights were on quickly.

I am well versed in the idea that things happen, we can't change what people do, there are perks to this and that and those things. My concern stems from the fact that Squaw Creek was always too big of a hassle for TXU and they never liked having to put up with the public being on it, but they don't mind putting their own people on it. This has to have a significant impact on the local economy, and they are keeping it closed under the guise of national security when in fact it is closed because us normal people are just too much trouble for them to be bothered with. That is my problem.

The town of Glen Rose does quite well with the Tax Base they have from the Nuclear Plant. I agree that they (TXU) does not care about the public using the lake. That is a shame, there a lots of big fish in that lake and it is very pretty to be sitting there and not being fished.

Regardless of anything else, and whatever opinion you have, the only real power you have in this world with these kinds of institutions is where you choose to spend your money. So, despite the fact that it may make no difference at all, we should all choose another provider. We should also let them know why. We should not let apathy or indifference guide us. By the same token, it is assinine to act as if we are suprised by human selfishness because we are in fact ourselves acting out of selfishness. We want to fish the lake because it is such a great fishery, and in Whiskers case, a substantial part of his income. They do not want to let us for any number of reasons, and I believe
that one of them is, in fact, a misguided attempt at "PROTECTING" the public. All that being said, it is juvenile for us to complain about the way that it is without offering solutions. Can we all agree that Squaw will not open again in the form that we have known it? I myself am in agreement with Steve in the fact that it SHOULD be changed for alot of reasons. I can't tell you how many times I got in line at 11:00 PM to fish a tournament, how crazy is that? We should offer solutions instead of just complaints. Added security or background checks cost money. It is unfair for us to want then to spend more just so we can have fun on their property. How much of that extra cost are we willing to defer as recreational or professional fisherman? What would we pay for a pass or a tournament pass? I do not know what the solutions are, but instead of just offering complaints, we should offer solutions. Just my opinion, thanks, Joel.

It is my understanding that Squaw Creek was also a very popular scuba lake.

TXU closed all lakes to fishing. Make no beans about it, that water is to cool the plant. I dont care for it.
But Redfin is right
By the way Oncore runs the plant now.
Tim

[This message has been edited by TGalyon1 (edited 03-29-2002).]

Howdy
I am mad too about Squaw Creek it was the one safe place I could take the Grand kids. Swimming, fishing, just for a drive. Hot dogs and kids go well together. Even better when fishing.
Thoes day are GONE Squaw Creek is as good as GOME. IF you have not heard WE ARE AT WAR. They brought it to us at New York, in Penn. at the Penagon. WAKE UP. You are worried about Fishing in a Great little impoundment that was made to cool a power plant. So they stocked it. Great you got to fish for them. Some of you made your living doing that. You are worried about long lines at the gate. I am worried about my family my job my retirement funds.
Get a Grip on the NEW way we now have to live you spoiled brat. People have died for your rights to fish. People are dieing to keep your right to breath free air.
Yes the lake is closed, will stayed closed until we win the war and maybe longer. What do you think the people at the Towers were saying just before some power hungry guy desided to declare WAR on the USA.
They are so busy having fun that they will not do a thing about one little bulding we had better hit both of the towers and Washington too. I bet most are out fishng anyway.
That was yesterday, The PAST. This is today.
I can not say what someone could to to bring down the nuke plant. I will not. That would be dumb. Would it disrupt the country. OK one person out of 200 is all it would take. Remember OK City a few years ago. How think what is going on in the Metroplex what is made in the way of Electonics, Airplanes, are you gittin' the Idea yet. Is not safe to have the biggest power plant in the area in any way posisible a target.
Worry about restocking Granbury and the Brazos River. The Golden Algae killed more that you know or let on.
This was in part do to the guides that did not want to loose and bussness. Their " come-on-down the fishing is still great at Granbury. So the State did not get restocking. After all there were still fish there the guides were still taking lots of fish.
I have fond memories of my kids and Squaw Creek It is good to have these. I will build some more with my great grand kids it is for them that I would like the USA to win the WAR.
Allen Crise
Glen Rose, TX

hear hear!

This war needs to be won, our will needs to be strong. Once we have these evil ones under control things can return to normal. But there will be no normalcy until the evil is gone. Make no mistake, it is evil.

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RRhyne56

If I felt Squaw Creek were closed for the security of the nation, I would not be as upset. I am upset because it is closed under the guise of national security.

OK let me try again. Squaw Creek is the bigest Electric power plant in Texas.
The Dallas Ft. Worth Area has some of the biggest users of Electric power. places like Lockeede Martin. EDS, Microsoft, Airports like DFW, Places that would have to slow down or stop if the power was lost. Now look around you. How many of the places near you use the power from the Electric Company.
Now IF you wanted to cripple the area what would you do?
So for now the cooling ponds for many of the power plants are off limits. So are many of the big hydro dam's tailraces.
Now think again what is important. Some hospitals electrical power that is maintaining a new born life or a heart attack victiums life support. How about your freezer Ok so you have eaten most of your catfish.
Take the time to spend with your kids or your neaghbors kids on a Hike.
Allen Crise