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#7165346 - 02/12/12 11:19 PM Re: Why no casinos in Texas?? [Re: DYOLLP]
The Fishing Physicist Offline
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Originally Posted By: DYOLLP
I don't think the Baptists or the casinos in states outside of Texas want casinos in Texas. Between the two groups, they'll probably continue to keep casinos out of Texas for many years. Eventually, Texas will get casinos--the money's too much to pass up. I don't think casinos would solve all TX's budget shortfalls, but it wouldn't hurt to keep a lot of that money in the state.


I totally dispute this.

As per my previous post in this thread, the net total economic effect on the entire United States is negative. Positive effects on local, or state economies is due solely to the transfer of wealth from very large populations to the much smaller populations that exist where gambling is allowed. Widening the availability of gambling goes only to dilute the economic impact of gambling by spreading gambling revenues over a larger population.

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#7165349 - 02/12/12 11:19 PM Re: Why no casinos in Texas?? [Re: DYOLLP]
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Originally Posted By: DYOLLP
I don't think the Baptists or the casinos in states outside of Texas want casinos in Texas. Between the two groups, they'll probably continue to keep casinos out of Texas for many years. Eventually, Texas will get casinos--the money's too much to pass up. I don't think casinos would solve all TX's budget shortfalls, but it wouldn't hurt to keep a lot of that money in the state.


What about the methodists, mormons, redeemer lutherans, non-denoms and the presbyterians?

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#7165361 - 02/12/12 11:25 PM Re: Why no casinos in Texas?? [Re: The Fishing Physicist]
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Originally Posted By: The Fishing Physicist
Originally Posted By: DYOLLP
I don't think the Baptists or the casinos in states outside of Texas want casinos in Texas. Between the two groups, they'll probably continue to keep casinos out of Texas for many years. Eventually, Texas will get casinos--the money's too much to pass up. I don't think casinos would solve all TX's budget shortfalls, but it wouldn't hurt to keep a lot of that money in the state.


True. I'm thinking about it being just another business bring revenue to an area. Like an In and Out burger joint. That's why I would support them in tourist areas like San Antone and Galveston. I also think Houston proper and Austin could support one or two each. You could put them in the downtown areas and they would probably fly along just fine. Again though: How much money is going to make it where it needs to go? Who's going to run them?

I totally dispute this.

As per my previous post in this thread, the net total economic effect on the entire United States is negative. Positive effects on local, or state economies is due solely to the transfer of wealth from very large populations to the much smaller populations that exist where gambling is allowed. Widening the availability of gambling goes only to dilute the economic impact of gambling by spreading gambling revenues over a larger population.

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#7165364 - 02/12/12 11:26 PM Re: Why no casinos in Texas?? [Re: J.D.B.]
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I go to the big city to eat fancy. I might play a little black jack while I'm there.

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#7165365 - 02/12/12 11:28 PM Re: Why no casinos in Texas?? [Re: J.D.B.]
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I think the big towns and tourist areas of Texas could support one or two casinos each. Put em' right downtown.

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#7165366 - 02/12/12 11:28 PM Re: Why no casinos in Texas?? [Re: WEEBS]
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Originally Posted By: WEEBS
Originally Posted By: DYOLLP
I don't think the Baptists or the casinos in states outside of Texas want casinos in Texas. Between the two groups, they'll probably continue to keep casinos out of Texas for many years. Eventually, Texas will get casinos--the money's too much to pass up. I don't think casinos would solve all TX's budget shortfalls, but it wouldn't hurt to keep a lot of that money in the state.


What about the methodists, mormons, redeemer lutherans, non-denoms and the presbyterians?


us presbys don't care
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#7165367 - 02/12/12 11:29 PM Re: Why no casinos in Texas?? [Re: J.D.B.]
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I still want to know who's running them and where the money is going to go before I vote for it.

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#7165369 - 02/12/12 11:29 PM Re: Why no casinos in Texas?? [Re: lanman71]
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Originally Posted By: lanman71
Originally Posted By: WEEBS
Originally Posted By: DYOLLP
I don't think the Baptists or the casinos in states outside of Texas want casinos in Texas. Between the two groups, they'll probably continue to keep casinos out of Texas for many years. Eventually, Texas will get casinos--the money's too much to pass up. I don't think casinos would solve all TX's budget shortfalls, but it wouldn't hurt to keep a lot of that money in the state.


What about the methodists, mormons, redeemer lutherans, non-denoms and the presbyterians?


us presbys don't care
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#7165372 - 02/12/12 11:33 PM Re: Why no casinos in Texas?? [Re: J.D.B.]
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I put the "meh" in Methodist on most issues regarding the church.

Casinos don't need to be everywhere. That's why we're able to chop things up as necessary with zoning restrictions.
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#7165421 - 02/13/12 12:31 AM Re: Why no casinos in Texas?? [Re: WEEBS]
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Originally Posted By: WEEBS
I think the big towns and tourist areas of Texas could support one or two casinos each. Put em' right downtown.


It is NOT a question of an area, or local being able to support a casino. Rather, it is a question of whether or not a casino would enhance a local economy, and also that of the state as a whole.

I firmly maintain that there would be NO net economic benefit from casinos to either the local economy, nor the state economy of Texas because any revenues that would go to either state or local government would be diluted through the distribution over much larger populations than is the case with the current situation in Shreveport/Boiser City.

Further, I firmly maintain that the ‘gaming industry’ does NOT create wealth it just transfers existent wealth. Thus, while the ‘gaming industry’ generates economic activity, it does NOT add to the economic productivity of the United States as a whole.

The economic viability of the ‘gaming industry’ itself is totally dependent on restricting ‘gaming’ to smaller population centers that are in relatively close proximity to much larger population centers.


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#7165454 - 02/13/12 01:36 AM Re: Why no casinos in Texas?? [Re: The Fishing Physicist]
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Originally Posted By: The Fishing Physicist

Further, I firmly maintain that the ‘gaming industry’ does NOT create wealth it just transfers existent wealth. Thus, while the ‘gaming industry’ generates economic activity, it does NOT add to the economic productivity of the United States as a whole.
TFP


I trust you on this, but help me understand the statement about "creating" wealth. I feel like this could be said about many industries. Tourism (which kind of goes hand in hand with gambling), and amusement parks come to mind. Just because the good (fun/excitement) that casino's provide is intangible does not make it an unproductive industry in my mind.
My opinion on casino's in Texas is that it is absolutely none of the governments business to tell grown men and women that they can't gamble. I would love to have a card room down here in c stat where I could go play some real texas hold em.

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#7165645 - 02/13/12 06:58 AM Re: Why no casinos in Texas?? [Re: J.D.B.]
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Texas needs casinos
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#7165671 - 02/13/12 07:11 AM Re: Why no casinos in Texas?? [Re: The Fishing Physicist]
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Originally Posted By: The Fishing Physicist
Originally Posted By: WEEBS
I think the big towns and tourist areas of Texas could support one or two casinos each. Put em' right downtown.


It is NOT a question of an area, or local being able to support a casino. Rather, it is a question of whether or not a casino would enhance a local economy, and also that of the state as a whole.

I firmly maintain that there would be NO net economic benefit from casinos to either the local economy, nor the state economy of Texas because any revenues that would go to either state or local government would be diluted through the distribution over much larger populations than is the case with the current situation in Shreveport/Boiser City.

Further, I firmly maintain that the ‘gaming industry’ does NOT create wealth it just transfers existent wealth. Thus, while the ‘gaming industry’ generates economic activity, it does NOT add to the economic productivity of the United States as a whole.

The economic viability of the ‘gaming industry’ itself is totally dependent on restricting ‘gaming’ to smaller population centers that are in relatively close proximity to much larger population centers.


TFP


It would provide JOBS in TEXAS. Which should help a lot of families in TEXAS.

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#7165703 - 02/13/12 07:25 AM Re: Why no casinos in Texas?? [Re: J.D.B.]
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It is better to keep the money inside the state than let them go to another because we don't have a casino.
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#7165715 - 02/13/12 07:31 AM Re: Why no casinos in Texas?? [Re: J.D.B.]
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Doe-sent take a rocket scientist to figure out whos keepin these casinos open just drive through the parkin lots 90% are Tx plates. I just believe we could use the jobs right here. People ARE GONNA GAMBLE save the gas and do it here its a green thing saving resources.
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#7165850 - 02/13/12 08:18 AM Re: Why no casinos in Texas?? [Re: J.D.B.]
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I don't really care for gambling, but I also am not stupid when I see all of the Texas people spending their money at them in LA or OK. I think a couple of casino's in our state would not be a bad idea, and might actually provide some needed tourist industry dollars. i.e San Antonio, Galveston, Ft Worth, etc.

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#7165856 - 02/13/12 08:19 AM Re: Why no casinos in Texas?? [Re: J.D.B.]
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way too lazy to read all this. I wrote a paper on this once though, and found that Rick Perry and a lot of other state level elected officials receive considerable campaign funding from the tribes representing the casinos in Oklahoma and New Mexico. Totally legal, just typical political BS though.
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#7165872 - 02/13/12 08:23 AM Re: Why no casinos in Texas?? [Re: J.D.B.]
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my opinion is that people who gamble, are going to gamble. Why not let them do it here and let the state, not the state officials, reap the benefit of the tax revenue?
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#7165877 - 02/13/12 08:24 AM Re: Why no casinos in Texas?? [Re: BassFever]
Bob Davis Offline
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Originally Posted By: BassFever
Originally Posted By: The Fishing Physicist
Originally Posted By: WEEBS
I think the big towns and tourist areas of Texas could support one or two casinos each. Put em' right downtown.


TFP


It would provide JOBS in TEXAS. Which should help a lot of families in TEXAS.


What jobs? Dishwasher, bartender, blackjack dealer, security cop? Anyone wealthy enough to buy commercial property and build a casino will likely bring in some experienced operators from another state. I'm not dead set against casinos although I wouldn't waste a dime at one, I don't see any real economic advantage.
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#7165944 - 02/13/12 08:40 AM Re: Why no casinos in Texas?? [Re: The Fishing Physicist]
Leonardo1 Offline
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Originally Posted By: The Fishing Physicist
Originally Posted By: WEEBS
I think the big towns and tourist areas of Texas could support one or two casinos each. Put em' right downtown.


It is NOT a question of an area, or local being able to support a casino. Rather, it is a question of whether or not a casino would enhance a local economy, and also that of the state as a whole.

I firmly maintain that there would be NO net economic benefit from casinos to either the local economy, nor the state economy of Texas because any revenues that would go to either state or local government would be diluted through the distribution over much larger populations than is the case with the current situation in Shreveport/Boiser City.

Further, I firmly maintain that the ‘gaming industry’ does NOT create wealth it just transfers existent wealth. Thus, while the ‘gaming industry’ generates economic activity, it does NOT add to the economic productivity of the United States as a whole.

The economic viability of the ‘gaming industry’ itself is totally dependent on restricting ‘gaming’ to smaller population centers that are in relatively close proximity to much larger population centers.


TFP




Is this your opinion or do you have facts that back up your position? Money spent out of state in casino's directly effects the economy of Texas. I just don't understand how keeping that money local wouldn't help at all?

The casino's across the border's contribute major dollars to our politician's. The horse racing industry has a stake in it in Texas that was negotiated when the racing industry was approved. I am sure that the churches play a role as well.

People who want to gamble will gamble just like people who want to drink will find a place to buy it. Money kept in the State has to be better than money leaving the State.

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#7166077 - 02/13/12 09:09 AM Re: Why no casinos in Texas?? [Re: Kasinas]
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Originally Posted By: Kasinas
It is better to keep the money inside the state than let them go to another because we don't have a casino.


one of the smartest 1st posts ever.

I propose a 5 mile wide casino zone than runs the entire borders of New Mexico,
Oklahoma and Louisiana. The # of licences to be determined by
traffic. 3-4 on interstates , less on secondary roads. Licenses to be won
by highest bid.

MO
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#7166097 - 02/13/12 09:12 AM Re: Why no casinos in Texas?? [Re: J.D.B.]
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Few people really benefit from gambling.
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#7166346 - 02/13/12 10:10 AM Re: Why no casinos in Texas?? [Re: J.D.B.]
Leonardo1 Offline
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Casino's provide 1000's of jobs. I hardly consider that a few.

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#7166375 - 02/13/12 10:19 AM Re: Why no casinos in Texas?? [Re: SheldonS]
Mo Offline
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Originally Posted By: SheldonS
Few people really benefit from gambling.


We aready have gambling, Texans already gamble,
what many people would like to see are casinos
inside the state lines , rather than just across
the border.

Gambling in Texas

Bingo , lottery , horseracing ( an industry that is
dying because all the border states give casino funds to the
horesracing industry) , scratch offs ( a 50% payback ripoff)
dog racing.

Texas has gambling , just no casino revenue.


MO
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#7166427 - 02/13/12 10:29 AM Re: Why no casinos in Texas?? [Re: J.D.B.]
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I don't care about the money for Texas part I just don't want to have to drive so far to gamble. Put a river boat on each lake is my vote.
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