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#7164467 - 02/12/12 08:15 PM Re: Fines from Game Wardens [Re: FoxMan2099]
lakeman Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 917
Loc: cedar creek lake
Originally Posted By: FoxMan2099
Originally Posted By: lakeman
The Game Warden done his job, Hats off to him,


I don't know, maybe he could've explained the rule and then let him off with a warning.

If the fellow was old enough to have a fishing license then he is old enough to already know the RULE. The game Warden was only doing his job and already some seem to be bitching about that.
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#7164805 - 02/12/12 09:12 PM Re: Fines from Game Wardens [Re: MrRoachie]
smove Offline
Outdoorsman

Registered: 02/09/12
Posts: 46
Loc: Forney, TX
How does it work if you have your child with you? Can you keep 50 or can you only catch 25 and your child is responsible for the other 25??

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#7164864 - 02/12/12 09:22 PM Re: Fines from Game Wardens [Re: MrRoachie]
catfisher12 Offline
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Registered: 02/08/12
Posts: 73
Loc: Grand prairie
all of yall that are saying it doesnt make since if you give your fish away are blinded. that would be saying that you robbed a bank and gave the money away so therefore i should not be charged with the crime cause i dont have the money now. follow the rules and if you dont know the rules the book is free at any sporting goods store. happy fishing
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#7164937 - 02/12/12 09:34 PM Re: Fines from Game Wardens [Re: MrRoachie]
flounder Offline
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Registered: 03/24/02
Posts: 594
Loc: Wylie
2 years ago this month, I was fined on Lake Texoma for keeping too many stripe bass. We slaughtered the fish that day and I left my law stick at home. We caught some monster up to 15 lbs and it was one of the best trips I had on Texoma. There were 4 of us and we were allowed 8 overs and we had 12 overs (over 20 inches). The 8 overs were big fish 25 - 30+ inches. The other overs were 20.5 to 22. We threw a bunch of overs back. I felt bad about it because I thought we were legal. I blame no one but myself and I now have a law stick installed in my boat. The fine was $200 per fish ($125 fine and $75 replacement value of the fish). We kept a total under 40, but again you can only keep 2 over 20 inches per person. I have never had an issue since. smile For crappie or any fish, a 25 per person limit is nice! Enjoy it. Occasionally, when I am lucky enough to catch my limit early, you can change species and try you hand at bass or whatever. Ask the warden questions if you are not sure about something and enjoy fishing.
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#7164976 - 02/12/12 09:40 PM Re: Fines from Game Wardens [Re: MrRoachie]
bull squat Offline
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Registered: 04/09/11
Posts: 641
Loc: Merit Texas
When I am lucky enough to really get into the Crappie I will only have 20 or so on the stringer and release everything after that. Keeps me out of trouble that way.
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#7165027 - 02/12/12 09:48 PM Re: Fines from Game Wardens [Re: MrRoachie]
Snagalager Offline
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Registered: 01/26/08
Posts: 418
Loc: Burleson,Tx
Does anyone really eat that many fillets? Especially when they go dang near every day and keep a limit.

Seems ridiculous to me,but they are probably giving them to Tom,Dicky and Hairy too
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#7165163 - 02/12/12 10:19 PM Re: Fines from Game Wardens [Re: MrRoachie]
C.M.Fish Offline
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Registered: 01/21/11
Posts: 148
Loc: Duncanville, TX
All of the info quoted below is taken directly from the Texas Parks and Wildlife web site:

Definitions:
1. Possession Limit: The maximum number of fish a person may possess before returning to their permanent residence. Possession limit is twice the daily bag on game and nongame fish, except as provided in this guide, and does not apply to fish in the possession of or stored by a person at their permanent residence.

2. Daily Bag: Quantity of a species of a wildlife resource, such as fish, that may be taken in one day

Rules and Regulations
3. Possession of Fish Taken from Public Water
•Any fish caught must be taken by legal means and methods.
Fish caught and immediately released are not considered to be in your possession. Any fish not immediately released that are retained by using any type of holding device such as stringer, cooler, livewell, or bucket are considered in your possession and must adhere to established protected length and bag limits.
•While fishing, it is illegal to be in possession of more fish than the daily bag limit or fish that are within a protected length limit.
In order to verify length and species, a fish caught may not have the head or tail removed and may not be filleted until an angler finally lands the catch on the mainland, a peninsula, or barrier island not including jetties or piers and does not transport the catch by boat. Broadbill swordfish, shark, and king mackerel may have the head or tail removed, but the carcass must remain intact and may not be filleted.
•Any fish taken from public water and landed by boat or person in Texas must adhere to the protected length limits and daily bag and possession limits established for those fish in Texas, regardless of the state or country in which they were caught.

•The bag limit for a guided fishing party is equal to the total number of persons in the boat licensed to fish or otherwise exempt from holding a license minus each fishing guide and fishing guide deckhand multiplied by the bag limit for each species harvested.

SO! All that being said...the way I read this as it applies...if you are fishing alone, you may catch AND retain 25 crappie and ONLY your first 25 LEGAL crappie. You may keep fishing but EVERY CRAPPIE AFTER 25 must IMMEDIATELY be returned to the water. (I can't find anything specific about culling and how it applies to this rule). ALSO...if you and your buddy are fishing together and you have caught 25 crappie but your buddy has only caught two...YOU may still keep fishing but must release EVERY crappie you catch thereafter because YOU have reached your DAILY BAG LIMIT...sorry about your buddy's luck (lol), UNLESS the two of you are on a GUIDED fishing trip,in which case you may keep fishing and may KEEP ANY LEGAL CRAPPIE until the BOATS daily bag is reached which would be 50 since guides are not allowed to keep fish toward a limit while working a guided trip. Hope this helps...but when in doubt...talk to a warden and they will be happy to help you clear any misunderstandings you have...
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#7165269 - 02/12/12 10:47 PM Re: Fines from Game Wardens [Re: MrRoachie]
MrRoachie Offline
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Loc: Troup,TX
If it is immediately put into someone else's bucket,stringer, or cooler and they claim it, how can this be so??

What if you start giving away when you reach 20??

And by looking at definitions 1 and 2...

I should be able to catch 25 and go back to the truck and put them in the cooler and go back out again.. Is this right??

P.S. I carry a golden rule cause I dont trust those little plastic gadgets and I aint never caught enough to give away anyways!!!
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#7165813 - 02/13/12 08:07 AM Re: Fines from Game Wardens [Re: MrRoachie]
BigDave1 Offline
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Registered: 01/07/08
Posts: 745
Loc: Allen, TX
Originally Posted By: MrRoachie
If it is immediately put into someone else's bucket,stringer, or cooler and they claim it, how can this be so??

What if you start giving away when you reach 20??

And by looking at definitions 1 and 2...

I should be able to catch 25 and go back to the truck and put them in the cooler and go back out again.. Is this right??

P.S. I carry a golden rule cause I dont trust those little plastic gadgets and I aint never caught enough to give away anyways!!!


Nope it ain't right. When you caught a daily limit of 25 your done for that day. That's why it is called a "daily" limit!

You can legally give your catch to someone else if you also fill out the game resource form and give it to that person with the fish. The form is available on the TP&W website. Those do not count towards the other persons daily limit because they were on YOUR daily limit. 25 a day is 25 a day period. Once you catch 25 legal fish all you can "legally" do the remainder of that day is catch and immediate release. If you want to cull better just keep 24 and as you add one throw another small one away so you be ready for the next larger fish. Its really a simple thing, 25 legal crappie a day period.

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#7166141 - 02/13/12 09:22 AM Re: Fines from Game Wardens [Re: MrRoachie]
Guide Jason Anderson Offline
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Registered: 03/03/05
Posts: 2250
Loc: Allen TX/ Cedar Creek Lake
A big hand to the game warden! Thank all games wardens for a job well done!

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#7166324 - 02/13/12 10:06 AM Re: Fines from Game Wardens [Re: MrRoachie]
YassirSanchez Offline
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Registered: 01/22/03
Posts: 159
Loc: Italy, Tx. USA
Not part of the thread but I have a big amount of respect for my MOST Game Wardens. They do our state proud in a very dangerous profession.

But I have seen a couple of Game Wardens in my life that were just going out of there way to be rude and confrontational.

My advice to everyone is whenever you come across a good OR bad GW is to send their Commanding Officer a letter either complimenting them or giving them the reasons you are concerned.

If it were up to me we would ALL get checked everytime we went fishing. That way the outlaws and riff raff would be culled out them ownselves.
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#7166425 - 02/13/12 10:28 AM Re: Fines from Game Wardens [Re: Snagalager]
crappiejigmaster Offline
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Registered: 01/07/12
Posts: 66
Loc: Texas, Lake Conroe
Originally Posted By: Snagalager
All the illegal fisherman are gonna start coming out since the fishing is going to get easy.

Everyone needs to put this number on speed dial and report everyone breaking the rules 1-800-792-4263


I have my phone on quick dial to "Operation Gamethief" and have used it. This very question came up last year for flounder and the ruling was after you catch your limit "Leave" and let others get a chance themselves. After you handle fish, put them in a basket or stringer they will most likely die anyway so culling is Not advised and in some cases NOT ALLOWED. Don't be so greedy. I have witnessed myself last crappie spawn a couple of guys that came every day and made a 2 person limit every day. I won't name ethnics but soem people do not care what a limit is as long as they bite they keep fishing and keep any size they catch. Trust me when I say I will call every day I see people keeping undersize fish or over limits. People like this are the reason why fishing is so hard now.
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#7166462 - 02/13/12 10:36 AM Re: Fines from Game Wardens [Re: crappiejigmaster]
catfisher12 Offline
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Registered: 02/08/12
Posts: 73
Loc: Grand prairie
i completely agree call anytime you see something illegal
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#7166627 - 02/13/12 11:09 AM Re: Fines from Game Wardens [Re: MrRoachie]
jiggin for the bigguns Offline
Green Horn

Registered: 01/03/12
Posts: 2
Loc: lake lewisville and lake limes...
Im new to this fantastic forum and fairly new to crappie fishing and I have learned a lot on here, but not nearly enough. Thanks for all the knowledge passed along.
I havent posted before, but I just had to weigh in on this.

I am a police officer, veteran, fisherman, father, and husband (not neccessarily in that order). In every class/group of people (i.e cops, vets, fishermen, hunters, walmart employees, spouses, whatever) there are what I call the 1 percenters. 99% of the group are good people, and 1% are bad apples (arrogant, jerks, lawbreakers, poachers). 99% of us on here follow the rules. Its the 1%er's that ruin it for others.

Lets assume that what we know so far is true. This guy caught 100 fish, gave some away, and got a ticket.

He caught and possessed over 3 TIMES the daily bag limit! Maybe the game warden might have been an a-hole, and the fisherman might have been one too. There are GW bad apples too. But He deserved what he got, and prob should have gotten more. "Possession" is on page 29 of the TPWD outdoor annual.

Comparison Scenario...Would I write a ticket to someone who is going 26 mph in a 25mph school zone a ticket? Absolutely not! Doing a 100 mph in a 25mph zone?? you bet your a**!! I shouldn't have to explain the rules to someone on that. Its the INDIVIDUALS RESPONSIBILTY to know the rules before enaging in an activity. I'm pretty sure that this wasnt the first time he did this. This was just the first time he got caught.

Unless a GW is being a complete jerk, I think most wouldnt write a ticket for having 26 fish on your way in. Posession is in a cooler, livewell, or basket. If one person had a 100 fish, I would EXPECT the game warden to give a ticket and hopefully a lot more. The GW's I have dealt with are very professional, and have a job to do. This GW did his and I appluad him for it!

I echo what "lakeman" and "snagalager" said. Reports fools like this.

Sorry for the long post, but I had to vent.
-Will
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#7166712 - 02/13/12 11:29 AM Re: Fines from Game Wardens [Re: MrRoachie]
Spiderman Offline
Pro Angler

Registered: 09/04/06
Posts: 535
Loc: EAST TEXAS
The individual learned a lesson. The fine could have been much higher. The Game Warden did cut him some slack.

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#7166740 - 02/13/12 11:36 AM Re: Fines from Game Wardens [Re: MrRoachie]
Tom Englert Offline
Outdoorsman

Registered: 02/16/10
Posts: 228
Loc: Forney, Texas
Wish I had to worry about these sorts of things...can't catch many Crappie to save my life!

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#7166754 - 02/13/12 11:40 AM Re: Fines from Game Wardens [Re: MrRoachie]
fishinmachine Offline
Outdoorsman

Registered: 08/01/06
Posts: 196
Loc: North Texas
25 fish is the daily limit...when you're done, you're done. If you think you'd like to fish a while more, start releasing at 24 fish. If you keep 25 and continue to fish, then(other than being greedy) you may be in violation of this TPWD regulation if you gill-hook a fish:

Waste of fish - It is unlawful to leave edible fish or bait fish taken from the public waters of the state to die without the intent to retain the fish for consumption or bait.

From an ethical standpoint, conservation of the resource is the goal...make your choices with that in mind.

FM



Edited by fishinmachine (02/13/12 11:40 AM)

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#7166793 - 02/13/12 11:47 AM Re: Fines from Game Wardens [Re: CrappyBassfishindude]
karpbuster Offline
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Registered: 09/14/09
Posts: 4673
Loc: Albuquerque, NM
Originally Posted By: CrappyBassfishindude
I wonder how much the fine was?

If you honestly think about it, the game wardens know where the fish are being caught, and they WILL show up to check on it.


That explains why they never check me. frown
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#7166796 - 02/13/12 11:48 AM Re: Fines from Game Wardens [Re: jiggin for the bigguns]
DaveB Offline
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Registered: 06/04/07
Posts: 4109
Loc: CENTEX PROUD
Originally Posted By: jiggin for the bigguns
Im new to this fantastic forum and fairly new to crappie fishing and I have learned a lot on here, but not nearly enough. Thanks for all the knowledge passed along.
I havent posted before, but I just had to weigh in on this.

I am a police officer, veteran, fisherman, father, and husband (not neccessarily in that order). In every class/group of people (i.e cops, vets, fishermen, hunters, walmart employees, spouses, whatever) there are what I call the 1 percenters. 99% of the group are good people, and 1% are bad apples (arrogant, jerks, lawbreakers, poachers). 99% of us on here follow the rules. Its the 1%er's that ruin it for others.

Lets assume that what we know so far is true. This guy caught 100 fish, gave some away, and got a ticket.

He caught and possessed over 3 TIMES the daily bag limit! Maybe the game warden might have been an a-hole, and the fisherman might have been one too. There are GW bad apples too. But He deserved what he got, and prob should have gotten more. "Possession" is on page 29 of the TPWD outdoor annual.

Comparison Scenario...Would I write a ticket to someone who is going 26 mph in a 25mph school zone a ticket? Absolutely not! Doing a 100 mph in a 25mph zone?? you bet your a**!! I shouldn't have to explain the rules to someone on that. Its the INDIVIDUALS RESPONSIBILTY to know the rules before enaging in an activity. I'm pretty sure that this wasnt the first time he did this. This was just the first time he got caught.

Unless a GW is being a complete jerk, I think most wouldnt write a ticket for having 26 fish on your way in. Posession is in a cooler, livewell, or basket. If one person had a 100 fish, I would EXPECT the game warden to give a ticket and hopefully a lot more. The GW's I have dealt with are very professional, and have a job to do. This GW did his and I appluad him for it!

I echo what "lakeman" and "snagalager" said. Reports fools like this.

Sorry for the long post, but I had to vent.
-Will




Great 1st post Will. I agree with you 110%. Hit the nail on the head. I have the utmost respect for our LEO's and the job they do. Kudos to this GW.


Edited by DaveB (02/13/12 11:51 AM)
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#7166861 - 02/13/12 11:59 AM Re: Fines from Game Wardens [Re: MrRoachie]
OTFF Offline
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Registered: 04/20/10
Posts: 18
Loc: Tyler
I am not seeing it that way. I can catch as many fish as I wish to catch. I, meaning me, can only keep 25. The person with me can keep 25. It is impossible to enforce any other way. Me and my 3 buddies are fishing. Game warden comes up. We have 100 fish. We are legal. Nothing he can do or say. No tickets, no nothing. Do we have to prove I caught 25? No. Can he prove any different? No. This thread is only about how may you can keep in reality. If I catch 25, come to shore, find a little old lady that wants them I can give her the 25, they are now in her limit, her possession. She leaves I go catch 25 more. I only have 25 in my limit, I am legal. I can repeat if I want. Long as I am not selling them not much can be done. I have given away fish with a game warden standing right next to me. All he cared about was my liscense.

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#7167221 - 02/13/12 01:06 PM Re: Fines from Game Wardens [Re: MrRoachie]
Fish Eater Offline
Outdoorsman

Registered: 01/22/09
Posts: 86
Loc: Terrell, TX
I hope everyone who fishes and keeps there limit everyday uses all that fish . I'm fairly good at fishing and keep what i use but over the years i have found i keep few and few less . I do give some to my dad so he can eat some fresh fish he can't stand up on the boat anymore his new knees are no better than his old ones . That being said i understand giving some fish away but there are plenty of people at the boat dock where i keep my boat at and they keep everything everyday . It tears me up inside to know that there freezers are full and still keep fish . What's the point ? I don't want to eat 9 month old frozen fish why do they ? Knowing they can catch more the next day . Anyway's that's my rant about keeping to much fish . If you throw out bags of fish every year to make room for the new ones you should be ashamed .

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#7167306 - 02/13/12 01:29 PM Re: Fines from Game Wardens [Re: MrRoachie]
OTFF Offline
Green Horn

Registered: 04/20/10
Posts: 18
Loc: Tyler
A fishing license allows you to catch as many as you want. The amount you keep is entirely different. Once you have 25 in your possession you cannot keep more in your possession. You can catch as many more as you desire, you yourself just cannot keep more than the limit. If the man from Winnsboro actually got a ticket as stated, it will not hold up. Which I am betting it did not occur as stated. To be fined he must have had more than 25 in his possession. Again, a daily limit only applies to what you keep, NOT what you catch.

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#7167603 - 02/13/12 02:36 PM Re: Fines from Game Wardens [Re: MrRoachie]
cosmokramer Offline
Outdoorsman

Registered: 01/16/08
Posts: 28
It's not rocket science. Catch all you want. You cannot "retain" more than the daily limit. If you give fish away they go against your daily limit since you were the one who originally "retained" them from the lake.

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#7167690 - 02/13/12 02:53 PM Re: Fines from Game Wardens [Re: MrRoachie]
Beltonbanger® Offline
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Registered: 03/02/03
Posts: 1050
Loc: Temple,Tx,USA
It is always amusing how folks perceive different laws. This thread is no exception.
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#7167845 - 02/13/12 03:30 PM Re: Fines from Game Wardens [Re: Beltonbanger®]
karpbuster Offline
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Registered: 09/14/09
Posts: 4673
Loc: Albuquerque, NM
What I find funny is catch how many you want. Boy I wish that was true each time out. Yeah I threw back a few hundred, and kept these two fresh ones, yeah that's the ticket.
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