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#7137068 - 02/06/12 12:12 AM
Re: Does the punishment fit the alleged "crime" ?
[Re: OldFrog]
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Registered: 04/17/11
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they should have went after the senior nco staff or command staff that permitted or encouraged a culture of abuse masked as team building or initiations not the entry level people who mistakenly bought in to it
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#7137146 - 02/06/12 02:38 AM
Re: Does the punishment fit the alleged "crime" ?
[Re: OldFrog]
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Registered: 03/22/11
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Yeah, hazing is taken extremely seriously nowadays. We had a big, long briefing about it for the Corps not too long ago. Part of me thinks that you shouldn't be able to degrade or punish someone as an initiation or whatever, but the other side says it isn't that big of a deal and you will live (as long as its reasonably safe)
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#7137150 - 02/06/12 03:02 AM
Re: Does the punishment fit the alleged "crime" ?
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Registered: 08/03/07
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I suppose that wall to wall counseling is frowned upon now days as well.
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#7137156 - 02/06/12 03:40 AM
Re: Does the punishment fit the alleged "crime" ?
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Registered: 02/08/08
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I was in the Navy & served onboard an old rusty destroyer, it wasn't called hazing back then but when you joined 1st division you got a redbelly & you took it without complaint. Plenty of practical jokes played also that were physical, its just part of bonding as a group...damn hazing sissies gonna screw up hundreds of years of tradition
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#7137298 - 02/06/12 06:50 AM
Re: Does the punishment fit the alleged "crime" ?
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Registered: 04/25/10
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Loc: Crowley, TX
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I guess that means you can't get the boxing gloves out and have smokers any more to welcome the new members of the unit.
I guess I would never make it in today's military... some of the stuff I had to do when I joined would be considered getting hazed I reckon.
It is truly a softer generation.
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#7137453 - 02/06/12 08:02 AM
Re: Does the punishment fit the alleged "crime" ?
[Re: OldFrog]
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Registered: 12/14/09
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Loc: Selma, TX
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Its the easy way of reducing the defense budget. Just discharge everybody who makes a mistake. Then you don't have to pay benefits and retirements. Training new guys is cheaper in the long run. Why dont we just get rid of boot camp while we are at it. I am glad I retired when I did now.
Edited by USMC_Guy (02/06/12 08:04 AM)
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#7137542 - 02/06/12 08:27 AM
Re: Does the punishment fit the alleged "crime" ?
[Re: OldFrog]
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Registered: 03/11/05
Posts: 11070
Loc: on the Red River
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So what are sailors allowed to do when they pass over the equator for the first time?
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#7137571 - 02/06/12 08:34 AM
Re: Does the punishment fit the alleged "crime" ?
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Registered: 11/09/04
Posts: 20623
Loc: Frisco, Tx
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"They were discharged under the Navy's zero-tolerance hazing policy."
yes the punishment goes fit the crime.
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#7137672 - 02/06/12 09:05 AM
Re: Does the punishment fit the alleged "crime" ?
[Re: Streater]
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Registered: 05/30/02
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Loc: Dallas, Texas, USA
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I can see both sides. I, personally, agree that hazing can build character and become a right of passage. It can make the initiate feel pride in the fact that he/she earned the right to be a part of the team. Making a pledge sing to a group of sorority women, or making him do push-ups or act silly is perfectly fine in my book.
Making them eat something foul or take a physical beating without the opportunity to defend themselves is sadistic and wrong. It causes dissension and animosity in the group and does not promote brotherhood.
Making a military person wrestle to get in the group, to me, should be allowed and encouraged. These are men of war for God sakes! I find absolutely nothing wrong with it. Well said.
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#7137714 - 02/06/12 09:14 AM
Re: Does the punishment fit the alleged "crime" ?
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Registered: 12/14/09
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Loc: Selma, TX
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"They were discharged under the Navy's zero-tolerance hazing policy."
yes the punishment goes fit the crime. Then give them Captain's Mast(Article 15). Don't just kick them out.
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#7137770 - 02/06/12 09:29 AM
Re: Does the punishment fit the alleged "crime" ?
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Registered: 10/23/06
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So what are sailors allowed to do when they pass over the equator for the first time? I was wondering that too. Also Chief Petty Officers initiations.
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#7137831 - 02/06/12 09:44 AM
Re: Does the punishment fit the alleged "crime" ?
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Registered: 01/31/10
Posts: 2542
Loc: Troup,TX
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I didnt know the flag waver Alton joined the Navy.......
Buncha Panzies!!!!!
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