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#7128284 - 02/03/12 04:20 PM ATF closes gun store in Brenham
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#7128296 - 02/03/12 04:22 PM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: Morpheus]
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terrible
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#7128309 - 02/03/12 04:25 PM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: Morpheus]
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Makes you wonder if the administration is using this whole fast and furious deal to scrape up support to continue infringing on 2nd ammendment rights realmad
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#7128314 - 02/03/12 04:26 PM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: David D.]
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Maybe I missed something in the article, but on what grounds did the BATFE revoke his license?
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#7128317 - 02/03/12 04:26 PM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: Morpheus]
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I'd like to hear a little more background on why they shut him down.
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#7128320 - 02/03/12 04:27 PM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: Morpheus]
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he shot Elsie the Blue Bell Cow!!!!! frown
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#7128325 - 02/03/12 04:28 PM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: X-rayed Fish]
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Originally Posted By: X-rayed Fish
he shot Elsie the Blue Bell Cow!!!!! frown
in brenham he would have be murdered by now lol
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#7128326 - 02/03/12 04:29 PM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: Morpheus]
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That article made no sense and supplied no facts....what is the point of posting it?
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#7128330 - 02/03/12 04:30 PM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: Ted Dyer]
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Originally Posted By: Ted Dyer
That article made no sense and supplied no facts....what is the point of posting it?
thats called modern day journalism i believe. Don't have to be correct or have proof to write it
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#7128339 - 02/03/12 04:31 PM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: fouzman]
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
I'd like to hear a little more background on why they shut him down.


You and me both. Something here stinks.
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#7128342 - 02/03/12 04:31 PM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: Morpheus]
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It was stated several months ago the real ploy of fast and furious was to infringe on our gun rights.

It would be nice to have a list of all small gun shops that are being strong armed by the ATF. If they could be consolidated to file a class action suit, maybe the actions of the ATF could be stopped. I am sure a lot of people would donate to it. They might get lucky and find a top notch attorney who would do it pro bono.
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#7128343 - 02/03/12 04:31 PM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: Morpheus]
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I could find nothing in the news on this.
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#7128358 - 02/03/12 04:35 PM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: Morpheus]
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This article was very poorly written but I have a hard time doubting its point. I have heard a few similiar stories about ATF goons strong arming shops out of business and it bothers me that it seems to be riding on the coat tails of this gooberment fiasco
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#7128364 - 02/03/12 04:36 PM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: Morpheus]
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#7128375 - 02/03/12 04:39 PM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: Morpheus]
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That stinks.
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#7128425 - 02/03/12 04:50 PM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: Morpheus]
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My brother is an attorney in Brenham. I'll try and find out more info!
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#7128469 - 02/03/12 05:00 PM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: Morpheus]
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Just hung up with the most reliable of sources on this subject. Not specific to Mr. Bossee and the ATF, but specific to dealer's licenses and the ATF strong-arming small gun shops.

The information relayed to me is that the ATF CANNOT take a dealer's license away unless they have hard, irrefutable evidence of a dealer trying to skirt the law, in multiple instances. Clerical errors on paperwork, etc. won't cut it.

Further, he said the way this typically works is LE will get a tip of some funny goings on. They will then set-up surveillance and possibly several transactions for verification. By the time the subject(s) of their investigation are called to the ATF's offices for an interview, the Feds have already made their case.

Now I'm not trying to discredit a dead man and I'm not saying the subject of the above story from the Texican is wrong. Just passing on fact as relayed to me by a trustworthy friend.



Edited by fouzman (02/03/12 05:02 PM)
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#7128489 - 02/03/12 05:06 PM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: Morpheus]
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Hate to break it to you guys, but the reason the texican article doesn't have any details or specific facts about the case is that its NOT an article. Its a blog. You can get that from it being out of wordpress.com, a blogging website. Its just some guy making his peace over something he heard. I wouldn't take anything from there too seriously. Its like getting all your news from the TFF Off Topic section then never looking at the link to read the story, and get the facts yourself; then you wake up and decide you should write an article about it. I can't find any other sources yet so I'm not going to jump the gun and claim abuse by the gov't.

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#7128640 - 02/03/12 05:45 PM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: X-rayed Fish]
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Originally Posted By: X-rayed Fish
he shot Elsie the Blue Bell Cow!!!!! frown

Elsie hooks her teets up for Borden.
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#7128734 - 02/03/12 06:19 PM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: Morpheus]
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Elsie and Elmer are from Borden. Abilene had the prettiest Borden's facility. It looked more like a pick stucco mansion than a plant that processed milk and ice cream.
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#7128914 - 02/03/12 07:04 PM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: Morpheus]
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Lets hear both sides before making final decisions.
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#7128919 - 02/03/12 07:04 PM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: fouzman]
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
I'd like to hear a little more background on why they shut him down.


+1

At the same time, I recognize the tactics of the ATF here. Perhaps they acted as they did knowing full well that the old guy has done nothing wrong AND knowing that he could never afford to fight the legal battle necessary. The ATF could, for the sake of argument, be 100% in the wrong on this case and it wouldn't matter if theres nobody to fight it.

Corporations use this strategy routinely in dealing with injury lawsuits and the like.
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#7128936 - 02/03/12 07:07 PM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: Zeek the Greek]
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Originally Posted By: Zeek the Greek
Originally Posted By: fouzman
I'd like to hear a little more background on why they shut him down.


+1

At the same time, I recognize the tactics of the ATF here. Perhaps they acted as they did knowing full well that the old guy has done nothing wrong AND knowing that he could never afford to fight the legal battle necessary. The ATF could, for the sake of argument, be 100% in the wrong on this case and it wouldn't matter if theres nobody to fight it.

Corporations use this strategy routinely in dealing with injury lawsuits and the like.


so does the irs, ask me how I know.
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#7128944 - 02/03/12 07:11 PM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: Zeek the Greek]
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Originally Posted By: Zeek the Greek
Originally Posted By: fouzman
I'd like to hear a little more background on why they shut him down.


+1

At the same time, I recognize the tactics of the ATF here. Perhaps they acted as they did knowing full well that the old guy has done nothing wrong AND knowing that he could never afford to fight the legal battle necessary. The ATF could, for the sake of argument, be 100% in the wrong on this case and it wouldn't matter if theres nobody to fight it.

Corporations use this strategy routinely in dealing with injury lawsuits and the like.


Or it could have been they followed the law as fouz said above. The facts that we do know are few. We've heard nothing other than what was blogged on a gun site.
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#7129861 - 02/03/12 11:11 PM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: Morpheus]
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Allison, I'm giving ATF benefit of doubt on this until more details come out - was only stating one plausible scenario.
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#7129893 - 02/03/12 11:32 PM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: Morpheus]
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I have a hard time being fair to the ATF because I don't think that agency should exist in the first place.

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#7129916 - 02/03/12 11:53 PM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: Gusick]
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Originally Posted By: Gusick
I have a hard time being fair to the ATF because I don't think that agency should exist in the first place.


well, that's a testimonial to give weight to
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#7129975 - 02/04/12 12:50 AM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: Morpheus]
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I call bs
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#7130031 - 02/04/12 03:36 AM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: Morpheus]
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the writer of the article isn't biased in his opinion is he?
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#7130063 - 02/04/12 05:02 AM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: Morpheus]
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Who is this blogger?
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#7130235 - 02/04/12 07:24 AM Re: ATF closes gun store in Brenham [Re: timjg]
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Originally Posted By: timjg
Hate to break it to you guys, but the reason the texican article doesn't have any details or specific facts about the case is that its NOT an article. Its a blog. You can get that from it being out of wordpress.com, a blogging website. Its just some guy making his peace over something he heard. I wouldn't take anything from there too seriously. Its like getting all your news from the TFF Off Topic section then never looking at the link to read the story, and get the facts yourself; then you wake up and decide you should write an article about it. I can't find any other sources yet so I'm not going to jump the gun and claim abuse by the gov't.


Thank you. Voice of reason.

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