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#7122552 - 02/02/12 11:59 AM Fishing with a kid over brush piles...any tips?
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I've had some luck using a slip bobber setup and drifting a minnow over the top of the brush, but have not come up with any other good ideas. The young ones just get hung up too much.
My youngest loves to fish, and she wants to go "crappie fishing" with me. I usually take her to fish for sandies or juglining...fun and easy fishin. I think it's time to get her on the "piles". smile
Anyone have any successful ideas?
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#7122569 - 02/02/12 12:01 PM Re: Fishing with a kid over brush piles...any tips? [Re: SLABXPRESS]
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Buy more hooks. grin

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#7122661 - 02/02/12 12:15 PM Re: Fishing with a kid over brush piles...any tips? [Re: Jeff Schiller]
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Try fishing bridge columns. Not much to hang up on unless someone has put out a condo. You can make your own condos out of pvc and sink them. Hard to sink a hook into pvc.

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#7122730 - 02/02/12 12:25 PM Re: Fishing with a kid over brush piles...any tips? [Re: SLABXPRESS]
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How old is your youngest? Little man is 8 and has no issue fishing a pile.

teach em young, or buy more hooks and jigs grin
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#7122751 - 02/02/12 12:31 PM Re: Fishing with a kid over brush piles...any tips? [Re: SLABXPRESS]
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You can try downsizing the size of the hook...a hook with a smaller gap. That's what I do with my sons...they have been fishing brush with #6 hooks, and the hookups are a lot less.
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#7122771 - 02/02/12 12:35 PM Re: Fishing with a kid over brush piles...any tips? [Re: SLABXPRESS]
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or bend a hook to close it up a bit?
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#7122796 - 02/02/12 12:39 PM Re: Fishing with a kid over brush piles...any tips? [Re: SLABXPRESS]
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You can work on developing the "feel" for getting loose from hangs. Usually if not "yanked" and pulled into the brush too tight, it can be worked free.

I used to "make a game" out of getting out of hang ups without
having to retie with my daughter and now with my grandson. Getting a rig back from a bad hang up can be almost as rewarding as catching a fish (it's all about how you approach it) Be creative and patient. "Hang Ups" are just part of Crappie Fishing. Keeping the fun in it is the key..

There are some weedless options for jig heads. Some good and some bad. You might experiment to see what works for you..

Hope this helps
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#7122817 - 02/02/12 12:42 PM Re: Fishing with a kid over brush piles...any tips? [Re: SLABXPRESS]
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I use a split shot about 4-6inches above the hook and set the depth above the pile then hand it to them. Still gets hung up, but as long as I set the depth its not as bad....now if anybody has found a way to keep them from creeping up right beside me and getting hung in the trolling motor i'm all ears laugh
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#7122822 - 02/02/12 12:43 PM Re: Fishing with a kid over brush piles...any tips? [Re: SLABXPRESS]
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maybe try a drop shot rig with a bell sinker abt a foot from the first jig, tie two jigs on abt a foot apart. maybe try some tube jigs also. Tube jigs dont come unseated off of the hook, as easy as regular solid body hooks do. and with two jigs fishing at different depth, it will insure she is always somewhere near the strike zone. Have her let line out until the bottom bell sinker just hits the brush, then reel up one crank and hold it still .
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#7123053 - 02/02/12 01:47 PM Re: Fishing with a kid over brush piles...any tips? [Re: SLABXPRESS]
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#7123124 - 02/02/12 02:03 PM Re: Fishing with a kid over brush piles...any tips? [Re: whiz]
Mo Offline
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Originally Posted By: whiz
Try fishing bridge columns. Not much to hang up on unless someone has put out a condo. You can make your own condos out of pvc and sink them. Hard to sink a hook into pvc.


I agree with this.

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#7123133 - 02/02/12 02:05 PM Re: Fishing with a kid over brush piles...any tips? [Re: SLABXPRESS]
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Weedless jighead would be another option.
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#7123142 - 02/02/12 02:07 PM Re: Fishing with a kid over brush piles...any tips? [Re: whitneylakerat]
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Registered: 12/15/07
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Loc: East Texas
Originally Posted By: topaction
I use a split shot about 4-6inches above the hook and set the depth above the pile then hand it to them. Still gets hung up, but as long as I set the depth its not as bad....now if anybody has found a way to keep them from creeping up right beside me and getting hung in the trolling motor i'm all ears laugh


LOL. Me too
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#7123360 - 02/02/12 03:03 PM Re: Fishing with a kid over brush piles...any tips? [Re: Mo]
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Originally Posted By: Mo
Weedless jighead would be another option.
MO


My brother and I have gone to using these all the time, unless fishing with Custom Hand-Tied Jigs. Hook a minnow through the lips, or get her started on plastic baits. Works great for us.




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#7123481 - 02/02/12 03:32 PM Re: Fishing with a kid over brush piles...any tips? [Re: Quicksilver]
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Originally Posted By: Quicksilver
Originally Posted By: topaction
I use a split shot about 4-6inches above the hook and set the depth above the pile then hand it to them. Still gets hung up, but as long as I set the depth its not as bad....now if anybody has found a way to keep them from creeping up right beside me and getting hung in the trolling motor i'm all ears laugh


LOL. Me too


x3 little man lost a rod doing that one time
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#7123763 - 02/02/12 04:46 PM Re: Fishing with a kid over brush piles...any tips? [Re: SLABXPRESS]
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Registered: 11/14/05
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I taught two Crappie Torney winner a thing or two 15 years ago doing this. Something none of us suspected worked even better. Learned more since then as well and will suggest you add it as well.

When Roberts cedars were real fresh we found a better way to fish straight down through them. Guys were selling welding rod rigs with connectors at both ends to do that. But we found a better way than those welding rods (expensive rigs). We slipped this kind of weight on the line immediately above the hook. Used at least 1/4 oz, but the size needs to fit the minnow strength.
http://www.basspro.com/Bass-Pro-Shops-Rubber-Grip-Lead-Sinkers/product/7565/41821 weight These come in wheels of different sizes so you could suit any minnow size and fitness condition.
This one used with the hook on the unchained bottom could have worked well also. But cut the chain slack off and use the smallest size swivel to attach the hook eye. I have also seen tunnel weights with bullet shaped ends but cannot find them sold off Basspro or Cabellas.

The minnow then had a very short leash (hook length) to spin around on. That short leash kept him lively when threatened and away from snagging a piece of limb and with enough weight underneath the rod tip. That short leash seemed to actually help get bites. Be sure to wrap the line around that rubber bone at least once to prevent slipping. That rubber tab sticking out sometimes could become an issue, but have since thought of improvements based upon my later years of other fishing methods.

Now try adding this concept to this method, instead use two bullet weights, put on the line butt to butt. The pointed ends will get you past most obstructions. Now Peg both with cocktail toothpicks (peg; as in jam wood into the weigh butt holes) (Cocktail tooth picks are the only round and pointed and hard wood toothpick I know of, and plastic T-jams are now sold). This jamming fixes the weight to the line (as in makes it continous feeling) where you want it, now part of the line system and prevents any weight slippage from hiding the feel of a hit.

For the few times that you will now get snagged, set up a heavy weight (2-4 oz.) you can snap swivel onto the snagged line. Least snaggy swivel clip I know ofI have added heavy snap swivels to these weights Item #1 and to these item #2 Any pointed top weight work. If you like, put this weight set up on a second pole with real heavy line. Connect the swivel to the snagged line drop it down and pop is vigorously until the snag comes loose. Makes sure the swivel test exceeds your line weight. Hung on a secong rod you prevent losses should the hooked line break or need to be broken. This system has worked on huge baits snagged on cedar wood stumps at FF. Trick with those baits was to get the weight pulling from behind the path the bait found the snag.

Other idea have an anchor and second rod ready so you can work the first while child fishes with the second one. After a trip or two make them build the second rig so they understand the importance of keeping their line free.

Hope this helps.








Edited by DonMiller (02/02/12 04:53 PM)
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#7123950 - 02/02/12 05:33 PM Re: Fishing with a kid over brush piles...any tips? [Re: DonMiller]
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Registered: 09/25/11
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Originally Posted By: DonMiller
I taught two Crappie Torney winner a thing or two 15 years ago doing this. Something none of us suspected worked even better. Learned more since then as well and will suggest you add it as well.

When Roberts cedars were real fresh we found a better way to fish straight down through them. Guys were selling welding rod rigs with connectors at both ends to do that. But we found a better way than those welding rods (expensive rigs). We slipped this kind of weight on the line immediately above the hook. Used at least 1/4 oz, but the size needs to fit the minnow strength.
http://www.basspro.com/Bass-Pro-Shops-Rubber-Grip-Lead-Sinkers/product/7565/41821 weight These come in wheels of different sizes so you could suit any minnow size and fitness condition.
This one used with the hook on the unchained bottom could have worked well also. But cut the chain slack off and use the smallest size swivel to attach the hook eye. I have also seen tunnel weights with bullet shaped ends but cannot find them sold off Basspro or Cabellas.

The minnow then had a very short leash (hook length) to spin around on. That short leash kept him lively when threatened and away from snagging a piece of limb and with enough weight underneath the rod tip. That short leash seemed to actually help get bites. Be sure to wrap the line around that rubber bone at least once to prevent slipping. That rubber tab sticking out sometimes could become an issue, but have since thought of improvements based upon my later years of other fishing methods.

Now try adding this concept to this method, instead use two bullet weights, put on the line butt to butt. The pointed ends will get you past most obstructions. Now Peg both with cocktail toothpicks (peg; as in jam wood into the weigh butt holes) (Cocktail tooth picks are the only round and pointed and hard wood toothpick I know of, and plastic T-jams are now sold). This jamming fixes the weight to the line (as in makes it continous feeling) where you want it, now part of the line system and prevents any weight slippage from hiding the feel of a hit.

For the few times that you will now get snagged, set up a heavy weight (2-4 oz.) you can snap swivel onto the snagged line. Least snaggy swivel clip I know ofI have added heavy snap swivels to these weights Item #1 and to these item #2 Any pointed top weight work. If you like, put this weight set up on a second pole with real heavy line. Connect the swivel to the snagged line drop it down and pop is vigorously until the snag comes loose. Makes sure the swivel test exceeds your line weight. Hung on a secong rod you prevent losses should the hooked line break or need to be broken. This system has worked on huge baits snagged on cedar wood stumps at FF. Trick with those baits was to get the weight pulling from behind the path the bait found the snag.

Other idea have an anchor and second rod ready so you can work the first while child fishes with the second one. After a trip or two make them build the second rig so they understand the importance of keeping their line free.

Hope this helps.








well, there you go.
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#7123987 - 02/02/12 05:43 PM Re: Fishing with a kid over brush piles...any tips? [Re: Buzzard Breath]
dwmoore Offline
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Registered: 10/23/07
Posts: 2789
Loc: teague,tx
Eric get some arkie wire weedless jig heads.Oh get rid of the minners dont teach them girls bad habits.Ha Darrell
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#7125053 - 02/02/12 09:35 PM Re: Fishing with a kid over brush piles...any tips? [Re: SLABXPRESS]
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Registered: 09/04/06
Posts: 535
Loc: EAST TEXAS
Weedless jigheads are the way to go. Probably can find some at Academy.

They are not the best quality but will work for Children.

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#7125231 - 02/02/12 10:20 PM Re: Fishing with a kid over brush piles...any tips? [Re: SLABXPRESS]
katmac Offline
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Registered: 02/17/11
Posts: 61
Loc: West Texas
Use long shank hooks,
bend the curve of the hook with needle nose pliers until the point is inside the gap.
You will miss a few fish but hang up a lot less.
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