So, with all the Layoff Rumors at AAL.

How many of the 53 VP's will get booted out
of the THOUSANDS of workers???

Care to guess? current over/under is 2.

Repost!

Probably none... They'll get rid of the people that actually work, slowing everything down even more and killing what little bit of moral their employees have left. My guys are at AA Cargo everyday of the week so we've witnessed first hand what their past layoff strategies have done to the entire process, I cant imagine it being much worse...

Nope, not a repost at all, I was looking to hav a little fun with the
number of VP's that will get booted vs the number of "workers"
like me.

Care to guess?

or are you too busy playing REPOST POLICE to actually read the
post.

citizens arrest... citizens arrest!!!

Repost. Check the OT for original post.

So, just because you have worked your way up to the position of Vice President, you do not "work" and if you are one of the workers in the trenches you do "work". Interesting perspective.

Good question indeed....


The intent was.... AAL has ALWAYS had an excessive number of
Execs vs the other airlines out there.

87 thou employees and the company has 50 plus VPs all at
multi million dollar salaries.

The entire USA has 1.

AA has a huge "good ole boy club" within it Exec level.

While I am sure some do a fine job.... do they really
need 50 plus. Each with several layers of other directors
and managers (sometimes 6 or 7 layers) of managers before reaching the worker level.

Watch and see how many MANAGERS are let go. Very few I bet.

The point here is the keep laying off the people that do the hands on work, that actually make the airline work. The supervisors and "VP" types just walk around aimlessly in their slacks and sweater vests looking like they are doing something...without the "grunts" the place comes to a stand still regardless of how many VP and or supervisors they have yet AA continues to cut the hands on employees and keep the upper management.

Few, if any, executives at this company have EVER 'worked the trenches'. Most mid-level managers are hired from within, but do not possess the education necessary to be considered as a VP.

Sadly, the majority of execs at Bankrutcy Air don't know HOW to do the jobs of the people they 'manage' or why many of the jobs are done in the first place.

At other, more professional companies, most executives have some rudimentary knowledge of the work their employees do. Not the case at this place.

They dont need to know how to do it. There's a place for all types, to say mangers haven't actually touch cargo or worked a check in desk so they don't no chit is dumb. There's no freebies they worked hard to get where they are at. It's all about cost

MM, if one doesn't know how the work gets done, how does one manage employees? How would one determine whether or not they're doing a good job or a poor job without knowing what the job is and how to do it?

This applies to all business owners and managers: if you own a convenience store, a pizza place, an air-conditioning repair company, an accounting firm or an airline, you gotta know what your employees are doing and how they get things done.

I work for a major airline.

Most of the highest level management team are either lawyers or CPAs.

That said...it is very different than at AA.

When I worked for American, I never saw any of the management team at the training center. At my company now, the CEO refers to me by my first name. AA VPs would not even consider such a thing.

I think the point is the VPs or suits had the job of making the airline profitable and a viable ongoing concern. It was their job to define the direction of the company and develop and execute a plan....and they obviously failed. So, they should be terminated/laid off just like other folks who may not have failed at their particular job at all.

I think that is where he was going. Nobody hates VPs just because they are VPs. They are disliked because they were not good at their job of leadership.

^^^^ 100% correct

I agree but we had 9/11 and American fought hard. It's an industry that is transitioning and it's do to the economy not the vps

In the spirit of the thread I'll take the under

Oh yeah, I'll say 2 VPs get shown the door - and neither of them will have had any part in the poor decision making of the past decade, they'll just be the lowest seniority VPs

Don't be suprised that as business units get compacted you see more VPs shown the door. I agree that they have failed miserably and should probably be chitcanned, but they can't fire them all and just start over. that would be worse than where they are now.


The idea that every CEO or C level executive would know how each employee under their responsibility does their job is a nice idea in fantasy land, or in a company of 25, but isn't even close to realistic anywhere else.

You think generals in the military know every detail of every mission and outpost under their command? that's why you put people in place you trust to do their job managing.

I can't stand the thoughts that vp's don't do any work and that the "hands on trench" workers run the company. Everyone has a place. I'm not defending the results that the AA execs have produced, but to say they do nothing but walk around in a suit is stupid. Are you honestly telling me that you could go grab Joe the baggage handler off the Tarmac and put him in-charge of the finances and he would do so much better cause "he really works." that's BS.

And like I said in the other post. Off all the pending layoffs there was at least one job added as I was hired by AA on Monday.

Really? Transitioning? The Airline business has been in transition since deregulation. It's a failure in management not the economy. Pan-Am, Eastern, TWA, all gone. and many others. Due to poor management.

Forgot about Braniff!

Not to hi-jack this post but my wife works for AA and they are notifying employees that insurance rates are going to be more that doubling.

Really!!

So why would they not cut a benefit like not flying their employees anywhere they want to fly for little to no dallars instead of taking away life needed benefits!!

AA just @#&$@^#$^!.

I cant speak for anything beyond the cargo end of it, but I've seen it first hand with my own 2 eyes. GO talk to some of the people in the trenches and see how it really works at AA. If you've been hired by AA you will soon find out for yourself how horrible of an operation it really is, how lazy everyone is, and how many people do next to nothing all day long. Obviously a baggage handler cant handle the finances, but what happens when more baggage handlers lose their job and the plane cant be unloaded in the required amount of time? Or when a customer that spent $4k to have a hot shipment air freighted and the airline takes 3 extra hours breaking down the flight and cant meet their time commitments thus costing the ultimate customer that just spent $4k on the shipping an additional $10k per hour while they have a line down waiting on parts. As they continue to miss their commitments more and more customers seek other airlines to handle their high priority shipments... Tons of this happened the last time they laid off, I have 3 shippers that refuse to use AA anymore as a result... combined they spend over $2 million a year on airfreight, now another airline is reaping the benefits of AA's incompetence. More shippers will follow if the time frame slows more, which I am going to assume will most certainly happen after the next round of layoffs. It sucks, but the truth of the matter is there are way to many chiefs at AA and not enough Indians.

Wife just text me and the number is 13k to be laid off