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#7124048 - 02/02/12 05:57 PM Re: AA layoffs.... [Re: waterwolves]
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Originally Posted By: waterwolves
Where unions get it wrong is they protect bad workers and under their system the gap in pay between the most skilled workers and the least skilled workers is not wide enough. This encourages workers to do the easiest jobs because the pay is basically the same.


100% correct. Whats worse is that pay is based almost exclusively on seniority no matter how good or bad a given worker is. I've commented before that if the company had simply focused on eliminating the bad employees, the remaining workers are productive enough to do the job and get paid what they're really worth.

The union priority unfortunately is to maximize the number of workers, not to optimize pay. They get union dues based on how many people are working, so its in the unions interest to negotiate more workers at lower pay rates.

Management is SUPPOSED to focus on operating a profitable airline. Instead they focus on grabbing market share at almost any cost. This has been their failure for over 20 years, and it hasn't changed.
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#7124058 - 02/02/12 06:00 PM Re: AA layoffs.... [Re: Sniper]
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unions wheel and deal employees on a daily basis
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#7127465 - 02/03/12 01:09 PM Re: AA layoffs.... [Re: McKinney Machine]
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Originally Posted By: McKinney Machine
Originally Posted By: Martyman3
Originally Posted By: McKinney Machine
Originally Posted By: Martyman3
But isn't it upper managements job to manage effectively. And when that has failed why are the people that failed in the first place the ones that are given the golden parachutes. You get paid that kind of money your head should roll if you fail.


Hasn't almost every airline filed bankruptcy?


And if you look closely the same High ranking execs are bouncing from Airline to airline and bringing their failed style of management with them. Think I am lying look around and see how many have moved from one to another. It is a good ol boys club and this is a big reason why airlines fail.


Disagree. Airlines were fine until 9/11 and fuel cost


Let's not kid ourselves. How long were these flights grounded after 9/11 2 days? These companies lined up for bailouts because they were wining and crying that those two days of being grounded would cause bankruptcy. Really? So the companies are so poorly mismanaged they can't lose 2 days of income? What about years when they run profit, they don't set it aside for a rainy day like those of us without govt. safety nets do? The decision makers should have been fired then!

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#7127482 - 02/03/12 01:12 PM Re: AA layoffs.... [Re: Joefishin]
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Registered: 06/12/09
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Originally Posted By: Joefishin


Let's not kid ourselves. How long were these flights grounded after 9/11 2 days? These companies lined up for bailouts because they were wining and crying that those two days of being grounded would cause bankruptcy. Really? So the companies are so poorly mismanaged they can't lose 2 days of income? What about years when they run profit, they don't set it aside for a rainy day like those of us without govt. safety nets do? The decision makers should have been fired then!


You can't really be dumb enough to think that the two days of being grounded was the only effect that 9/11 had on the airline industry.

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#7127517 - 02/03/12 01:19 PM Re: AA layoffs.... [Re: bassdude10]
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Originally Posted By: bassdude10
Originally Posted By: Joefishin


Let's not kid ourselves. How long were these flights grounded after 9/11 2 days? These companies lined up for bailouts because they were wining and crying that those two days of being grounded would cause bankruptcy. Really? So the companies are so poorly mismanaged they can't lose 2 days of income? What about years when they run profit, they don't set it aside for a rainy day like those of us without govt. safety nets do? The decision makers should have been fired then!


You can't really be dumb enough to think that the two days of being grounded was the only effect that 9/11 had on the airline industry.


Nice to meet you, tks for the kind words internet stranger. No reason to get all hostile because you disagree with me and call me stupid. Perhaps something is missing in your life....

Here's an article for you, funding approved in just under 3 weeks. http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-21/us/re...rriers?_s=PM:US

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#7127782 - 02/03/12 02:18 PM Re: AA layoffs.... [Re: Joefishin]
bassdude10 Offline
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Registered: 06/12/09
Posts: 310
My point is that the airline industry suffered because many people chose not to fly after 9/11. The two days after 9/11 did hurt the companies but not nearly to the degree that lost business over the next several years did. Anyways, sorry for being rude, I just thought you came across strong also.

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