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#7107681 - 01/29/12 07:54 PM Canyon lake
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Don't waste your time! Ice cold water, no fish and low low levels. Either the lake sucks OR I suck OR we both sucked! freak

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#7107887 - 01/29/12 08:30 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Oh, they're there. Got some great screenshots today. Anybody interested, shoot me an email addy (I can't post attachments here.)

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#7108043 - 01/29/12 08:56 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Canyon is tough lake to fish for sure haha. But they have some good ole guns out there @duff1 - safishingforum@gmail.com . will post them.
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#7108246 - 01/29/12 09:34 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: TuN3R]
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Originally Posted By: TuN3R
will post them.



popcorn

Duff, stripers? I fished (bass fished) by the dam, comal park, that island in the middle, never graphed anything! You graph them in the same place that you graphed them last time? You launch at Potters? Man I can't believe how low the lake is, wonder how long Potters can stay open before the ramps out of water. Wow what a rambling post I just typed? loco_2


Edited by grout-scout (01/29/12 09:37 PM)

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#7108273 - 01/29/12 09:37 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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canyon sucks this time of year...until the white bass get goin
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#7108284 - 01/29/12 09:40 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Well here's the images forwaded to me by duff.





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#7108303 - 01/29/12 09:44 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Nice! I def didn't see any of that today. Well the water temp was the same, but that's about it. Tell me you at least snagged one?


Edited by grout-scout (01/29/12 09:44 PM)

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#7108511 - 01/29/12 10:27 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Catch one every now and then. Must have been pretty lonely down around the dam today.

Potters Creek ramp in good shape, but the walkway to the courtesy dock is gated off, and there's no good place near the ramp to beach your boat.

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#7109108 - 01/30/12 08:12 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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The lake is only 10 feet low not bad during a drought. The striper have been active in the morning and late afternoon
try down rigging a 3/4 glow striper jig 30-50 feet
around the dam area and Jacobs Creek cove. Went out about
a week ago fished the point at north park and dam on the rock
in 10-15 feet drop shotting a disco violet super fluke jr
and a pearl blue shad Devils Spear caught 9 nothing really big
just solid fish.

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#7109324 - 01/30/12 09:21 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Anybody got any idea what that big concrete structure is they've built on the northwest corner of Crane's Mill Park? Looks like it's about 8'x8', and will extend into the water at full pool. Maybe to anchor a walkway to a floating dock?

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#7109512 - 01/30/12 10:22 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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At this time, it's the Dead Sea.

Previously, across from the Cranes Mill ramp, I could pick up a few of these:


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#7110050 - 01/30/12 12:41 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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These taken by duff on 1/27 .





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#7110070 - 01/30/12 12:47 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Cloud Dancer]
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Is that a 'Bama rig? I watched a guy chunking one yesterday. Looked like hard work to me.

Lots of bait upriver, from the first bend up through Cordoba Bend.

Perhaps I should mention that the two sets of pics above were taken in different locations.

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#7110104 - 01/30/12 12:53 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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Originally Posted By: duff1
Anybody got any idea what that big concrete structure is they've built on the northwest corner of Crane's Mill Park? Looks like it's about 8'x8', and will extend into the water at full pool. Maybe to anchor a walkway to a floating dock?


I didn't noticed anything like that few weeks back when i was there for tournament. Anyways never caught a [censored] at that lake got skunked big time.
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#7110201 - 01/30/12 01:19 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: TuN3R]
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If you were headed back to the main lake from the public fishing pier, it would be on your right, before you round the end of Crane's Mill Park. It's huge, and it's been there for a year or so.

Some trivia I thought interesting: Crane's (Americanized from Crain's) Mill was a settlement of some 25 souls, with a store, school and rowdy dance hall before it sank beneath the waters. The "mill" milled shingles from Cypress, before the Civil War.

Only confirmed masochists fish Canyon for largemouth.

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#7110214 - 01/30/12 01:24 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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I have been on that lake now twice..Once when I first moved here and for a days fishing I managed 5 bass for 12 and change...

Once this year to test and tune and then tow some dude in in a wellcraft....

Im in no hurry to go back

Jacobs creek ramp was okay as well
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#7110267 - 01/30/12 01:43 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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Originally Posted By: duff1
If you were headed back to the main lake from the public fishing pier, it would be on your right, before you round the end of Crane's Mill Park. It's huge, and it's been there for a year or so.

Some trivia I thought interesting: Crane's (Americanized from Crain's) Mill was a settlement of some 25 souls, with a store, school and rowdy dance hall before it sank beneath the waters. The "mill" milled shingles from Cypress, before the Civil War.

Only confirmed masochists fish Canyon for largemouth.


That pier was closed we fished from the bank for cats . Few other participants got some nice strippers hooked one of their rods was broken into pieces when a stripper was hooked on LoL.
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#7110300 - 01/30/12 01:54 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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Originally Posted By: duff1
If you were headed back to the main lake from the public fishing pier, it would be on your right, before you round the end of Crane's Mill Park. It's huge, and it's been there for a year or so.

Some trivia I thought interesting: Crane's (Americanized from Crain's) Mill was a settlement of some 25 souls, with a store, school and rowdy dance hall before it sank beneath the waters. The "mill" milled shingles from Cypress, before the Civil War.

Only confirmed masochists fish Canyon for largemouth.


I did notice that, not sure what the heck it is.
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#7111258 - 01/30/12 06:23 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: parttime]
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Originally Posted By: parttime
Originally Posted By: duff1
If you were headed back to the main lake from the public fishing pier, it would be on your right, before you round the end of Crane's Mill Park. It's huge, and it's been there for a year or so.

Some trivia I thought interesting: Crane's (Americanized from Crain's) Mill was a settlement of some 25 souls, with a store, school and rowdy dance hall before it sank beneath the waters. The "mill" milled shingles from Cypress, before the Civil War.

Only confirmed masochists fish Canyon for largemouth.


I did notice that, not sure what the heck it is.


If you talking about the one next to the boat launch that is made for a courtesy dock to be attached to it.

Now if there is another one closer to the point where the river bends into the lake then it could be another fishing pier or dock, which would be a very nice addition if we ever get some water back in that lake.


Edited by Jimbo (01/30/12 06:25 PM)

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#7111440 - 01/30/12 07:16 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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No, the structure I'm talking about is several hundred yards north of the ramp, well inside the park, near the end of Crane's Mill Point. Perhaps I have the compass directions confused. I'm thinking of the park as running north and south. And I'm not real clear on how long this big rectangle of concrete has been there. Can't see it on Google Earth.

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#7111468 - 01/30/12 07:22 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Yes Duff, there weren't too many down by the dam (only saw 2 boats in 2 hours). I was thinking the water would be clearer up there so those Canyon monsters might bite my jig better. hammer

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#7113004 - 01/31/12 07:16 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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Originally Posted By: duff1
No, the structure I'm talking about is several hundred yards north of the ramp, well inside the park, near the end of Crane's Mill Point. Perhaps I have the compass directions confused. I'm thinking of the park as running north and south. And I'm not real clear on how long this big rectangle of concrete has been there. Can't see it on Google Earth.

Yup, out towards the point, that is the one I saw too.
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#7113088 - 01/31/12 07:53 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Now, would you believe anyone could be so insensitive as to covertly approach panfish anglers, some of them proud holders of state records, and inquire where he might net some "perch," to be used as bait in a striper tournament?

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#7113099 - 01/31/12 07:57 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Yes, I saw the big concrete block. All that came to my mind is that it's going to be another improvement in the attempt to draw paying campers to the Cranes Mill Park. If it's part of a fishing pier it might not work 'cause there's shallow water for 75 ft all around it.
Why don't they open the launch ramp? Am I the only one who wants to launch there?
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#7113315 - 01/31/12 08:57 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Well, if they're going to build a fishing pier there, I think they could extend it out into some reasonably deep water, maybe even get it to the edge of the channel. I don't look for any benefit to day use anglers to come from all this. Their intention is to convert Cranes Mill Park into a camping facility like Potters Creek, with RV hookups and whatnot.

I took a close look at that ramp the other day. You can see old bloodweeds sticking up from the water just a couple of feet from where the ramp enters the water. I surmise this marks the end of the ramp. If so, it's going to take an awful lot of water for it to become usable again.

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#7113476 - 01/31/12 09:32 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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Originally Posted By: duff1
Now, would you believe anyone could be so insensitive as to covertly approach panfish anglers, some of them proud holders of state records, and inquire where he might net some "perch," to be used as bait in a striper tournament?


Who would do a thing like that! He should be: hung

Well, I think it is only you who is IMPLYING that guy would be using the perch for a striper tournament. Maybe he just wants to relocate them to a pond or something?


Edited by Holzer (01/31/12 09:35 AM)
Edit Reason: Just added some more....
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#7113521 - 01/31/12 09:42 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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I can think of no better way of relocating perch than inside the stomach of a big striper.

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#7113561 - 01/31/12 09:53 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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Originally Posted By: duff1
Their intention is to convert Cranes Mill Park into a camping facility like Potters Creek, with RV hookups and whatnot.


Maybe so, but if someone does attempt to do that then they haven't done their homework, and would be leaving themselves open to a whole bunch of misery since that entire park is pretty much under the flood plane, except for an area around the fishing pier and the area between where the pay booth sits now.

That I believe is what finally killed that park in the first place, back when we had those big floods a few years back. Those few times the lake flooded over the park and killed most (hundreds) of the oaks, and left the park under water for a few weeks should rule out any idea of setting up any kind of permanent facilities I would think.

You never know though, and some investers from out of town don't care about the long haul, but just, what can I do to make money now?


Edited by Jimbo (01/31/12 10:04 AM)

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#7113587 - 01/31/12 09:58 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: BrandoA]
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Originally Posted By: BrandoA
I can think of no better way of relocating perch than inside the stomach of a big striper.


Now here is a nice guy. Always thinking about another fish and sharing the wealth. Duff, how about you try to follow Brandon in sharing the wealth by calling me to talk about this lake they call Canyon in more detail? It will be your good deed for the day....
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#7113659 - 01/31/12 10:15 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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I know you guys need all the help you can get, so I'll share a little secret with you: You can buy perch at Fisherman's Corner.

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#7113686 - 01/31/12 10:23 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Jimbo]
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Actually, I think it's a case of our tax dollars at work. The COE has been quite secretive about these "renovations," but a little Googling took me to an environmental impact statement (2006, as I recall) for that new Comal County ramp at the end on North Cranes Mill Road. The plans for Cranes Mill Park were discussed there. They do plan to make it an oasis for RV campers and, far as I can tell, no outside "venture capital" is involved.

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#7113880 - 01/31/12 11:03 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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Originally Posted By: duff1
Actually, I think it's a case of our tax dollars at work. The COE has been quite secretive about these "renovations," but a little Googling took me to an environmental impact statement (2006, as I recall) for that new Comal County ramp at the end on North Cranes Mill Road. The plans for Cranes Mill Park were discussed there. They do plan to make it an oasis for RV campers and, far as I can tell, no outside "venture capital" is involved.


They must have heard that the TSA was coming to town and wanted to get ready for those guys, (oh how did one guy here on the forum put it) "with all those big expensive boats"...
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#7114134 - 01/31/12 11:59 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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Originally Posted By: duff1
Actually, I think it's a case of our tax dollars at work. The COE has been quite secretive about these "renovations," but a little Googling took me to an environmental impact statement (2006, as I recall) for that new Comal County ramp at the end on North Cranes Mill Road. The plans for Cranes Mill Park were discussed there. They do plan to make it an oasis for RV campers and, far as I can tell, no outside "venture capital" is involved.


Personally I'd rather they extended some high and dry boat ramps with my tax dollars, and I know TSA would appreciate that as well.

COE has parks and ramps all around the lake they can't keep up with and maintain let alone, build one for campers and RV's.

But that's goobermint for you.


Edited by Jimbo (01/31/12 12:05 PM)

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#7114235 - 01/31/12 12:20 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Jimbo]
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Originally Posted By: Jimbo
Originally Posted By: duff1
Actually, I think it's a case of our tax dollars at work. The COE has been quite secretive about these "renovations," but a little Googling took me to an environmental impact statement (2006, as I recall) for that new Comal County ramp at the end on North Cranes Mill Road. The plans for Cranes Mill Park were discussed there. They do plan to make it an oasis for RV campers and, far as I can tell, no outside "venture capital" is involved.


Personally I'd rather they extended some high and dry boat ramps with my tax dollars, and I know TSA would appreciate that as well.

COE has parks and ramps all around the lake they can't keep up with and maintain let alone, build one for campers and RV's.

But that's goobermint for you.

And may spend some money to stock it better....
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#7115141 - 01/31/12 04:23 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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I dont know if stocking it would do any good. There is no structure in the lake. With the highland lakes (Travis) they at least have docks, and that fishery is by far greater than Canyon.

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#7115175 - 01/31/12 04:31 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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I don't think COE stock fish anywhere. It's TP&W that normally does stockings and we know how much money they have. They don't have enough to take care of all the State Parks much less stocking program. Next thing you know the catch limits will get changed to protect what's left like they tend to do for saltwater species. All I can say is protect what's left.
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#7115885 - 01/31/12 07:14 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Holzer]
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My buddy Larry tells me them cottages (travel trailers, actually) they rent out in the Fort Sam Rec area is super nice.

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#7116227 - 01/31/12 08:18 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Holzer]
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Originally Posted By: Holzer
Originally Posted By: BrandoA
I can think of no better way of relocating perch than inside the stomach of a big striper.


Now here is a nice guy. Always thinking about another fish and sharing the wealth. Duff, how about you try to follow Brandon in sharing the wealth by calling me to talk about this lake they call Canyon in more detail? It will be your good deed for the day....


noideaHow in the world can a guy who grew up 35 miles from Canyon Lake not know anything about it? hammer Do we have a hustler in the crowd? popcorn

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#7116470 - 01/31/12 09:01 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Holzer, the only few spots I know of on Canyon that have been hot, and this is going back from past reports and experience is around the dam and the submerged humps out in from of the dam, and around the Island.

Also Jacobs creek arm directly across from the Ft. Sam retreat was producing last spring pretty good.

Then back up the lake around the bend at Craines Mill park going into the mouth of the river.

Look for the shad, and the whites, and you'll find the stripers.


Edited by Jimbo (01/31/12 09:01 PM)

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#7116774 - 01/31/12 10:17 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Holzer]
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The action will be upriver a ways come 2/25. You can avoid most of the stumps if you stay on plane, but pay close attention to your GPS chart. It will give you interesting suggestions about the location of the channel.

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#7117237 - 02/01/12 06:42 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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Originally Posted By: duff1
My buddy Larry tells me them cottages (travel trailers, actually) they rent out in the Fort Sam Rec area is super nice.

We've stayed in them a few times, they are nice.
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#7117429 - 02/01/12 07:54 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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Originally Posted By: duff1
My buddy Larry tells me them cottages (travel trailers, actually) they rent out in the Fort Sam Rec area is super nice.


They sound nice. I'm looking forward to the stay.
There are some that we will stay at that are host to the TSA that are.... well, I'll just say that I would not! invite momma and the kids shocked

I did stay at the Fort Sam rec. park once when I was a kid. I couldn't tell you a thing about the cabin, park, facilities, etc. But I'll never forget walking up on a party that was going on just in time to see a bet take place.

One guy bet another that he could break a beer bottle over his head. This dude beat him self to a bloody pulp before that bottle broke. I mean he was bleeding like a old school Rick Flair wrestling match act. He kept pushing people off who were trying to get him to stop and just kept whacking him self in the head with that bottle. That's the only thing I remember about the place.

Just for grins I might have to find some young guy who is "feeling good" and bet him $20 that he can't break a bottle over his head just so that I can relive the experience laugh
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#7117456 - 02/01/12 08:02 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Originally Posted By: grout-scout
Originally Posted By: Holzer
Originally Posted By: BrandoA
I can think of no better way of relocating perch than inside the stomach of a big striper.


Now here is a nice guy. Always thinking about another fish and sharing the wealth. Duff, how about you try to follow Brandon in sharing the wealth by calling me to talk about this lake they call Canyon in more detail? It will be your good deed for the day....


noideaHow in the world can a guy who grew up 35 miles from Canyon Lake not know anything about it? hammer Do we have a hustler in the crowd? popcorn


Well, first of all I did not grow up 35 miles from the lake. I was like 35.7 miles so get your facts right! laugh

Dad was never into fishing so we never went. The Guadalupe crossing at the 474 bridge was much closer if we ever wanted to go hang out in the water. Dad now loves to fish. But then again when I say "fish" I mean reel in the fish. Everything outside of that is all me. crazy
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#7117598 - 02/01/12 08:44 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Next weekend Team Bustin Loose will be on a recon mission searching for the exclusive Canyon Stripers. We will be bringing two boats to cover more water.

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#7117619 - 02/01/12 08:49 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: BrandoA]
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Originally Posted By: BrandoA
Next weekend Team Bustin Loose will be on a recon mission searching for the exclusive Canyon Stripers. We will be bringing two boats to cover more water.


I heard of a guy who sales breakfast tacos on the water. Be careful. You know those S.A. guys like peppers flush
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#7117643 - 02/01/12 08:56 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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I might need one you to teach me how to striper fish, this is starting to sound like fun. smile
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#7117805 - 02/01/12 09:38 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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John once you start chasing stripers all others become a thing of the past. With the exception of Reds.


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#7118051 - 02/01/12 10:39 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: parttime]
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Actually, they do look attractive from the water, and nicely shaded.

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#7118091 - 02/01/12 10:51 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Haven't caught stripper yet but i am planning to hit canyon for some strippers with a buddy . What do you usually catch them on duff ?


Edited by TuN3R (02/01/12 10:52 AM)
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#7118116 - 02/01/12 10:56 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: BrandoA]
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John once you start chasing stripers all others become a thing of the past. With the exception of Reds.

I don't know, I do get bored with trolling. But I want to give it a try.
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#7118146 - 02/01/12 11:04 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: parttime]
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Originally Posted By: BrandoA
John once you start chasing stripers all others become a thing of the past. With the exception of Reds.

I don't know, I do get bored with trolling. But I want to give it a try.


Trolling barf
Not all of us troll. I might have to do a "power drift" if there is no wind but no trolling for Team Jawbreaker. Well, more like hardly ever.

And yes, the TSA is lot of fun with some very shady characters. Not going to say any names like Brandon, Greg, Louis, Alan, George, Shannon, Shawn, Curtis, Earnie, Trent, etc. Ya, I'm not mentioning any names......
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#7118617 - 02/01/12 01:12 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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So you drift fish for Stripers? Huh, I thought everyone was down rigging. So I assume then that you use bait, live or does it matter?
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#7118628 - 02/01/12 01:15 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: parttime]
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So you drift fish for Stripers? Huh, I thought everyone was down rigging. So I assume then that you use bait, live or does it matter?


Doesn't matter i guess i remember phil hooked one and broke his rod at tourney last time on gold fish.
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#7118635 - 02/01/12 01:17 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: TuN3R]
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Originally Posted By: parttime
So you drift fish for Stripers? Huh, I thought everyone was down rigging. So I assume then that you use bait, live or does it matter?


Doesn't matter i guess i remember phil hooked one and broke his rod at tourney last time on gold fish.

It probably does matter, sure once in a while you can catch them on anything, but I'm sure there is a prefered bait.
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#7118758 - 02/01/12 01:49 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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John everybody fishes for them different. Myself I try not to limit myself. I will live bait, jig, and use downriggers when neccessary. But it is hard to beat live shadmost times of the year.

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#7118838 - 02/01/12 02:14 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Very interesting, here I thought all you guys did was drag around downriggers. Learn something new every day. For me shad are hard to keep alive, once I put them on the hook, they die.
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#7118863 - 02/01/12 02:21 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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John how are you hooking them? I like to use Mustad Light wire hooks and hook them through the eyes or nose. You have to have healthy bait first though.

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#7118877 - 02/01/12 02:26 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: parttime]
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So you drift fish for Stripers? Huh, I thought everyone was down rigging. So I assume then that you use bait, live or does it matter?


+1 to what Brandon said. Lots of different ways but most use live bait.

For me: I'm a live bait guy. Either on anchor or on the drift. Just depends on what the fish are doing and where they are hanging out.

Over the last year or two, I've learned how important "live" is. Just because they are swiming around in the tank doesn't mean that they are "lively". Theres a difference between live and lively. Stripers like baits that are lively.


I'll use lures if I need to. My lure collection consist of two kinds. Swim bait (sassy shad) and a slab.
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#7118880 - 02/01/12 02:27 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Holzer]
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Originally Posted By: parttime
So you drift fish for Stripers? Huh, I thought everyone was down rigging. So I assume then that you use bait, live or does it matter?


+1 to what Brandon said. Lots of different ways but most use live bait.

For me: I'm a live bait guy. Either on anchor or on the drift. Just depends on what the fish are doing and where they are hanging out.

Over the last year or two, I've learned how important "live" is. Just because they are swiming around in the tank doesn't mean that they are "lively". Theres a difference between live and lively. Stripers like baits that are lively.


I'll use lures if I need to. My lure collection consist of two kinds. Swim bait (sassy shad) and a slab.



What kind of live baits do you prefer ? I yet have to learn fishing for stripers.
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#7118914 - 02/01/12 02:37 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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I prefer 4-5" shad. Perch work also and I am sure on Canyon that will be a prefered bait since shad are hard to come by on the lake.

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#7118959 - 02/01/12 02:49 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: TuN3R]
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What kind of live baits do you prefer ? I yet have to learn fishing for stripers.


You know, that's kind of a hard question for me to answer right now because I'm on the fence. I've always felt that threadfin are better. But after fishing the TSA for the first time last year, it seemed that gizzards produced really well. And those bigger gizz's help keep those smaller fish off.

Reguardless, it's probably a good thing to have a little of both in the tank if you can. But man-o-man can those gizzards mess up a tank!
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#7118964 - 02/01/12 02:52 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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It's freaking hard to find gizzards this time of year at lakes like canyon. I have had some luck at calaveras finding gizzard shads and at lake dunlap or mcqueeny.
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#7118967 - 02/01/12 02:53 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Also have you tried some other minnows/gold fishes ? How about those small perch 3-4" . I catch them a lot .
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#7118979 - 02/01/12 02:58 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Gizzard vs. Threadfin



One throw on Canyon is all I need - Right?



Maybe I can find a few small gizzards like this one:


No need to worry about warning me about crappie. I learned what those look like on my graph. When bunched up tight, they can look alot like gizzards.
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#7118988 - 02/01/12 03:01 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Nice those are some good bait fish also nice crappies never caught those either . Well i am mostly bank fishing since i have no boat . I am planning to make a trip out there with a buddy will see if we can find any shads around there.
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#7119003 - 02/01/12 03:07 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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I have always prefered threadfins or yellowtails but gizzards are very good as well.

I am hoping I will have some supernova fishing lights before the Canyon tournament and will be able to draw some shad in. If not 3-4" perch will be in the tank.

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#7119005 - 02/01/12 03:08 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: TuN3R]
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I've never tried minnow or goldfish. Personally I probably wouldn't even think about it unless it was spring and the fish were up in the shallows. Fishing open water 30ft down, I'm not sure that a school of minnows or goldfish would be common. Therefore, not a "food source" for stripers in that environment. Not saying that it wouldn't work. I'd just rather try to go with something that they are eating on. As a comparisson, it makes me think of when using lures they say match your lure to the size of the bait.

Perch, I've tried but I haven't ever caught anything on a perch yet. Perch are one of the hardest things for me to get out of the bait tank. Those are the fastes swiming little boogers and they must have great eyesight. They can see that net coming towards their head from a mile away!
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#7119017 - 02/01/12 03:10 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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I can not beleive there are 66 posts talking about Canyon Lake. There is probably more posts in this thread then there are fish in Canyon.

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#7119019 - 02/01/12 03:10 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Thanks for the input let's see if everything goes fine will be giving it a shot in next few weeks.
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#7119024 - 02/01/12 03:11 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: tamale]
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I can not beleive there are 66 posts talking about Canyon Lake. There is probably more posts in this thread then there are fish in Canyon.


lol ofcourse there are some good fish in that lake you just need to find them.
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#7119380 - 02/01/12 04:45 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Holzer]
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So you drift fish for Stripers? Huh, I thought everyone was down rigging. So I assume then that you use bait, live or does it matter?


+1 to what Brandon said. Lots of different ways but most use live bait.

For me: I'm a live bait guy. Either on anchor or on the drift. Just depends on what the fish are doing and where they are hanging out.

Over the last year or two, I've learned how important "live" is. Just because they are swiming around in the tank doesn't mean that they are "lively". Theres a difference between live and lively. Stripers like baits that are lively.


I'll use lures if I need to. My lure collection consist of two kinds. Swim bait (sassy shad) and a slab.


So if your fishing on anchor what kind of rig do you use for live bait? Hope you don't mind me asking, but I'm curious now. I used to try and keep my shad alive as long as I could before using them when catfishing but I found it works just as well to throw them from the net to ice. BTW, I was hooking them through the eyes or mouth like mentioned, but they seem to die quick. heck, most seem dead once they drop out of the net. smile
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#7119488 - 02/01/12 05:18 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Most serious striper fishermen spend money on a commercial made baitwell with all the latest bells and whistles to keep shad frisky and alive, but most of us who don't chase stripers around the state do with what we have and that's an ice chest and cheap air pump we pickup down at academy. They work fairly good with minnows and perch, so I'd learn toward using perch for bait.

Save the iced down shad for the catfish!

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#7119960 - 02/01/12 07:00 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: parttime]
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I use a 2oz egg sinker, with a 2ft leader. Longer leader or heavier/lighter weight depending on conditions.

I've never hooked my shad through the eyes. But if I were, I would make sure to push the hook through towards the front of the eye socket and not the eyes.

When fishing "down" I hook my shad through the nose.

Going through the lips where the hook is passing through the opening of the mouth is a sure sentence to the fish grave. Fish need water to pass through the mouth and past the gills to breath. So if you cover that very small opening with a hook, then you're restricting the amount of O2 that fish can get. They're already stressed out because they have a hook in their face. No need to cut their oxygen off also.
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#7121202 - 02/02/12 03:15 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Live bait? Anchoring up? Drifting? Hoo knowed? Man, I hope these stick-in-the-mud Canyon anglers are paying attention.

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#7121335 - 02/02/12 06:46 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Thanks guys, I might give this a shot after our tournament season is over. smile
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#7121606 - 02/02/12 08:15 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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I drift with live perch and catch them quite consistently. I'll also drop down 2 spoons and just let them bob with the boat action as we rock along. I'm always surprised at how many I pick up on those 2 rods.

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#7121623 - 02/02/12 08:22 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Like Holzer said if you hook'em through the eyes hook them in the front.

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#7121673 - 02/02/12 08:35 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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When you guys drift, you not dragging the weights on the bottom right? I assume you determine the depth to put the bait at based on where you graph the fish.
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#7121812 - 02/02/12 09:13 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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John thats about right. If anything run your baits a little above the fish. .

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#7122049 - 02/02/12 10:04 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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Live bait? Anchoring up? Drifting? Hoo knowed? Man, I hope these stick-in-the-mud Canyon anglers are paying attention.


We're just entertaining the crowd until "the expert" chimes in. Mr. Duff, I have my note pad and pen ready when ever you're ready to spill a little info.

All through PM of course. No need to bore this crowd with such technical detail....
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#7122068 - 02/02/12 10:08 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: tamale]
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I can not beleive there are 66 posts talking about Canyon Lake. There is probably more posts in this thread then there are fish in Canyon.



Just for the record, the quote above has my vote for the best post on this thread. breakdance
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#7122121 - 02/02/12 10:19 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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As long as Team Bustin loose catches the 2 biggest stripers out of that 66 I will be happy!!!

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#7122284 - 02/02/12 10:57 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: BrandoA]
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As long as Team Bustin loose catches the 2 biggest stripers out of that 66 I will be happy!!!


Well, theres more people fishing than just you so that means that you need to share. So this is what we're going to do. I'll let you catch the 2 biggest fish on Friday the 24th and I'll catch the 2 biggest fish on Saturday the 25th. Ya, that sounds fair...

No, I don't mind. You go first. I'm a nice guy by nature. It doesn't bother me.
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#7122640 - 02/02/12 12:11 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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No Holzer really you can have the honors Friday.

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#7123375 - 02/02/12 03:06 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Man oh Man. I fish Canyon and love it. Very-very seldom do I go and not catch fish. My personal best is 6.5 small mouth. (estiamted to be 14 years old) and 4 lb Walleye and 5.5 black. Along with a basket load of striper and whites. Bottom line is, you just have to learn how to fish it. It took me 5 years to learn how to fish the lake and now, I have confidenence that I will catch fish on that lake year around.........
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#7123594 - 02/02/12 04:01 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Holzer]
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You gentlemen want to share with us your theory on why reports about catching stripers on Canyon are such a rarity? I know you've got one.

Here's the deal on bait goldfish (and they aren't gold): They will stay alive and vigorous, in the heat of the summer, at depths of 60 ft., even more. They're kind of pricey, though.

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#7123603 - 02/02/12 04:03 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Use Black Salty's..they are hearty sum bitches. I only share this info because I need y'all to catch all the damn stripers out of this lake. Perhaps that would help the LMB population.

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#7123884 - 02/02/12 05:18 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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#7124555 - 02/02/12 07:51 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Everyone get your note books out and go to the Whites, Hybrid,
and Striper section and chech out todays catch at Canyon.

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#7124609 - 02/02/12 08:00 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: TuN3R]
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Yep, and he didn't use no stinkin live bait!

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#7124659 - 02/02/12 08:12 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: TuN3R]
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Listen TuN3R, I'm the only guy who will buy you a few cold beverages on this TFF. This is the kind of stuff that you should send to only me through PM. We need to work on this coach
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#7124683 - 02/02/12 08:18 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Well there's 50% chances for me to hit canyon tomorrow evening for few hours.
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#7124702 - 02/02/12 08:22 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Jimbo]
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Yep, and he didn't use no stinkin live bait!


So you're anti live bait?
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#7124723 - 02/02/12 08:26 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Mike Halfmann the boatmann]
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Originally Posted By: Mike Halfmann the boatmann
My personal best is 6.5 small mouth. (estiamted to be 14 years old)



Really? It takes a small mouth 14 years to reach 6 pounds! I would have never guessed that fish would grow at such a slow rate!
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#7124861 - 02/02/12 08:54 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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hammerNo wonder I don't catch fish there, I never use the ol' red shad worm bang.

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#7125384 - 02/02/12 11:11 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Holzer]
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Yep, and he didn't use no stinkin live bait!


So you're anti live bait?


I use it all the time, I'm just stir

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#7125981 - 02/03/12 07:51 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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hammerNo wonder I don't catch fish there, I never use the ol' red shad worm bang.


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#7125984 - 02/03/12 07:52 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Jimbo]
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Yep, and he didn't use no stinkin live bait!


So you're anti live bait?


I use it all the time, I'm just stir


OK, I'll admit it, I was also wink
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#7126033 - 02/03/12 08:07 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Mike Halfmann the boatmann]
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4 lb Walleye


This must have been a long time ago. They haven't stocked them since 1985 and they didn't survive long. I used to catch them in northern NM and up in MI. Good fighting fish and great eating.
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#7126042 - 02/03/12 08:09 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Back in the olden days, when trolling for walleye with my grandpa up in northern NM we used "Pink Ladys" I was surprised to see they still made them and a line that had colored sections to tell how much line was out. So, how do you guys tell now how much line you have out, without downriggers?
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#7126302 - 02/03/12 09:06 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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That colored line's a new one on me, unless you mean lead core line, which changes color every ten yards. You can get down 20-30 ft. with it, but it's like fishing with a brick tied to your line. I use Jet Divers and Davis Fish Seekers for deep trolling. Each time the line runs across the spool= 8 ft. (You can also mark your line.) Just got me an Abu line counter reel, which seems like a sweet piece of equipment.

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#7126419 - 02/03/12 09:21 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: parttime]
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For me, the easiest way is to 1st find an area that is fairly clear of stumps, trees and such. Then, start traveling at the speed you want to troll at. Let line out by counting the pulls or just a general count of time. Once you touch bottom, then you know the relation to speed/count of line out you need to reach that depth.

As an example:
Your in 25ft.
Start moving the boat at the speed you want to troll at. Let's just say 3mph for this example.
Start letting line out. Counting: 1 mississippi, 2 miss, 3 miss, etc.
After everty two counts or so you'll need to hold the spool for a bit so that you can start pulling that lure.
At count 17, you hold the spool and start dragging your lure and you fill it bouncing off the bottom.

Then you know, moving the boat at 3mph, letting line out for a count of 17, and trolling with this lure will get it down approx. 25ft.

Then write it down somewhere so that you never have to do that again. wink

I'm not a troller but before I had the boat I have now I used to do it alot. The example above is how I do it. Brandon or someone else may chime in here with a much better technique. I just gave you an example of one way to find out without the "fancy equipment".
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#7126420 - 02/03/12 09:21 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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And just to give the pot a stir myself, pay no attention to those who sing the praises of the "Hell-Pet" rig. If you rig it so as to get some serious depth from it, with a bell sinker, it will wear you out trying to get it back to the boat.

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#7126494 - 02/03/12 09:31 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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I have a very simple approach. I use the thats about right method when free line trolling. I never used the hell-pet combo but do freeline DD22's. I let out approx 100ft or so of line. With 20-30lb braid the DD22's will dive approx 23-25ft.

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#7126670 - 02/03/12 10:04 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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And just to give the pot a stir myself, pay no attention to those who sing the praises of the "Hell-Pet" rig. If you rig it so as to get some serious depth from it, with a bell sinker, it will wear you out trying to get it back to the boat.


That reminded me of my chunkin and windin days!

Canyon has had it's up's and down's when it comes to stripers, but many years back there was some fast surface action right at the point in the main lake at the mouth of Tom Creek.

Back then I threw a humongous 10" rapala type stick bait, and ripped it on the surface over those big surfacing stripers, and caught and landed some pretty nice ones.

Just thinking about it makes my arms ache.

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#7126729 - 02/03/12 10:16 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Jimbo]
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And just to give the pot a stir myself, pay no attention to those who sing the praises of the "Hell-Pet" rig. If you rig it so as to get some serious depth from it, with a bell sinker, it will wear you out trying to get it back to the boat.


That reminded me of my chunkin and windin days!

Canyon has had it's up's and down's when it comes to stripers, but many years back there was some fast surface action right at the point in the main lake at the mouth of Tom Creek.

Back then I threw a humongous 10" rapala type stick bait, and ripped it on the surface over those big surfacing stripers, and caught and landed some pretty nice ones.

Just thinking about it makes my arms ache.



Jimbo this fall on Buchanan we got into some great topwater action. One morning we followed a school on top for almost 3 miles. I don't know how many we caught that morning.

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#7126894 - 02/03/12 10:48 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Jimbo]
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They were coming to the top early this fall in Comal Cove, not far from the Island. Nothing real big, though. When they get going, even the small ones will try to play with a Zara Superspook.

The problem with trolling crankbaits is that they don't mix with brush too well. Speaking of which, if you go to the website of the Comal County Historical Association, you will find there somewhere 46 color slides taken as the dam was being constructed. This gives you a feel for the areas that had been cleared for pasture, and the wooded areas (primarily along the channel.)

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#7126927 - 02/03/12 10:56 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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This is a great thread guys, got me itching to try for some stripers again. I say again because about two years ago I got the bug and we tried trolling the dam area and didn't catch anything. After that I ran back to my catfish. smile
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#7126967 - 02/03/12 11:05 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Will have to check that out Duff. Thanks.


John I would bet Canyon would be a dynamite night time lake trolling. With all the recreation boaters during the summer months I bet those stripers come out at night. Seems that way on Buchanan anyways.

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#7127226 - 02/03/12 12:14 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: parttime]
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Not sure this would be the best time of year for it. I expect Hendo will let drop when the "bite is on."

Back before the Great Flood, there was a guy who used to anchor up and spend the night next to the dam. He caught some big ones downlining with live bait beneath his green lights. I've never heard stripers on top at night, though. I'm not sure the shad are there for them to chase. The biologists claim that the microscopic creatures shad feed on are attracted to light, and when it goes, they sink down out of reach, causing the shad to hole up in brush and rocks where they aren't so vulnerable. The accounts of this phenomenon aren't terribly consistent. I do recall that Bill Dance claims to have won a tournament by following the threadfins out of the brush to open water every morning.

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#7127625 - 02/03/12 01:43 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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I usually always stay at the Ft. Sam retreat and remember hearing of that guy fishing near the dam, and I believe he was launching out of Ft. Sam and that is how I found out about it.

My memory isn't so great but I think it was April or early May I would go out well before daylight and go around the bend toward the dam and sit adrift just off the point about a hundred yards from the bank and just listen.

You could hear the shad and stripers breaking water but you couldn't see them, and I would troll toward the sound using my troll motor, and as I got closer to the sound I would cast as far as I could and then all H#)) would break loose.

It's hard to do on a weekend though, with just too much boat traffic, and now even during the week it probably wouldn't work too well either.

It's a popular lake and about the only one in the area besides Braunig and Calaveras that still has a little water left in it.

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#7129920 - 02/03/12 11:57 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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This has been fun reading. If y'all can remember that far back we caught the devil out of those fish last summer. Yes`we were Down rigging,and trust me parttime there is nothing boring about down rigging Canyon Lake on Sat. with about 100 Boats, wakeboarders and jet fleas. Not counting divers and the bass fisherman that thinks because he got to the hump first he owns the lake. For the most part we tried to get there early but sometimes the fish wouldn't look at the clock and feed when we thought they should. Not all of us are lucky like duff and get to fish during the week. Come on retirement. wish I could be out there with you guy's on the 25th but working Rodeo maybe next time
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#7130093 - 02/04/12 05:37 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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BTW, for anyone staying at Fort Sam rec area, I'd call and ask if the ramp is open. Last time we had the lake down like this, the ramp was unusable.
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#7130452 - 02/04/12 09:12 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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If you dont have any downrigger the rapala Deep Tail Dancer
sizes 9 and 11 will do the trick from 15-30 ft.

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#7130518 - 02/04/12 09:38 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: parttime]
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BTW, for anyone staying at Fort Sam rec area, I'd call and ask if the ramp is open. Last time we had the lake down like this, the ramp was unusable.


I'll be staying there. Its my understanding that the ramp is open. But you never really know until you see for your self. Unless the hosting site is close to Fort Sam, we'll have to travel to the hosting site for captains meeting and launch tourney morning anyways.
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#7130639 - 02/04/12 10:21 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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after the rain we just got, the lake should have caught some water
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#7130784 - 02/04/12 11:06 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Holzer]
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BTW, for anyone staying at Fort Sam rec area, I'd call and ask if the ramp is open. Last time we had the lake down like this, the ramp was unusable.


I'll be staying there. Its my understanding that the ramp is open. But you never really know until you see for your self. Unless the hosting site is close to Fort Sam, we'll have to travel to the hosting site for captains meeting and launch tourney morning anyways.


The ramp won't be a problem even if it's closed.

Just go out the gate and turn left, and turn left again right after you pass the chainlink fence around the boat dealership on the left before the intersection, and follow the sign to the boat ramp. That ramp has never been closed even during the lakes lowest level and it's within sight of the fishing pier/marina at the retreat, and it's free.

You can then have someone drive the trailer back to camp or park it in the Ft. Sam marina parking lot and beach your boat.

Been there, done that! cheers


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#7133120 - 02/04/12 11:47 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Jimbo]
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Thanks Jimbo, that's some good info to know.

Question:
Up here in the DFW, the boat ramps that are free you usually stay away from, because when you get back to the ramp IF your truck is still there, it is usually broke in to. Are the "free" ramps at canyon the same kind of seniero?
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#7133187 - 02/05/12 12:43 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Holzer]
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I have never had any problems at all while parked at the ramps at Canyon. The areas are fairly safe and I have never seen or heard of any problems. Just my 2cents

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#7133628 - 02/05/12 08:31 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Never had a prob either Holz, of course I always launch at Potters Creek.

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#7133675 - 02/05/12 08:43 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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i have never had one problem with my truck at a ramp.
we have pulled several all nighters over the years and never worry about the truck. (not sayin it won't happen tomm)
the county sherrif's usually have a good presence around the lake.

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#7133834 - 02/05/12 09:32 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Same here, I have used Jacobs creek ramp (one near Fort Sam Rec) and never had an issue other than a lot of people not knowing how to back a boat or to load it before getting on the ramp. It is a looonnnggg ramp. Free ramps get real crowded on Canyon.

So, what is the "best" time of year to try for these stripers?
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#7133836 - 02/05/12 09:34 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: fishinnb]
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i have never had one problem with my truck at a ramp.
we have pulled several all nighters over the years and never worry about the truck. (not sayin it won't happen tomm)
the county sherrif's usually have a good presence around the lake.


True that! We'll all prob get our tires & tools stolen next time we go since we all feel pretty safe there hammer.

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#7133855 - 02/05/12 09:38 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Holzer]
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It really doesn't make much difference nowdays on which lake you launch at, or whether it be a park where you pay, or a free ramp, there is always going to be those opportunist thieves who are looking for something of value and know that you are nowhere around when they see an empty trailer, and no boats around.

Anywhere around Canyon is fairly safe, and by that I mean there isn't your typical "Hot Spots" where numerous breakins or vandals have frequented, and the neighborhoods around there haven't turned getto with graffiti for the most part, and people keep a close watch on what goes on, but you stil will have your cruisers looking for an easy target.

Just keep your vehicle locked and don't leave valuables or stuff in the open that they can see.

That said, I wouldn't worry about it during the day, but you might be pushing your luck leaving your truck parked over night on some, not all of those free ramps.


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#7136642 - 02/05/12 09:52 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Jimbo]
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Thanks for all the info on the ramps fellas cheers
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#7136953 - 02/05/12 11:04 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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So when's the TSA scouting party going to be reporting? I expect they'll be teaching the greybeards some new tricks.

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#7137603 - 02/06/12 08:43 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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John the best time for stripers in my opinion is spring and fall. July and August are the toughest.


Duff scouting group will be out in full force this weekend.

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#7137610 - 02/06/12 08:45 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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#7137613 - 02/06/12 08:46 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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When you guys drift, I assume your using drift socks, correct?
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#7140467 - 02/06/12 08:55 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: parttime]
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When you guys drift, I assume your using drift socks, correct?


Just depends on wind and how fast your boat drifts. Other times also depends on the fish. At times, if you drift at a faster pace "pulling that bait by the fish" you can get a reaction strike.

That's just one of those "just depends" questions.
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#7140480 - 02/06/12 08:57 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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So when's the TSA scouting party going to be reporting? I expect they'll be teaching the greybeards some new tricks.


Team Jawbreaker will be in town the evening of the 22nd and on the water the 23rd and 24th. I'm not sure yet how much time I'll get on the water on the 23rd and 24th but hope that I can formulate some kind of idea as to where to fish on the 25th.
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#7140929 - 02/06/12 10:16 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Well Holzer, I can absolutely gauranty you the fish will be between the dam and the river! Oh, no need to thank me for that special report. cheers Good luck

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#7141272 - 02/07/12 01:47 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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The problem with trolling crankbaits is that they don't mix with brush too well. Speaking of which, if you go to the website of the Comal County Historical Association, you will find there somewhere 46 color slides taken as the dam was being constructed. This gives you a feel for the areas that had been cleared for pasture, and the wooded areas (primarily along the channel.)


I found that slideshow if anyone is interested in taking a look. Pretty cool stuff. Thanks for letting us know Duff. Here's the link: http://www.co.comal.tx.us/Historical/Canyon_Lake/Canyon_Dam.htm
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#7141385 - 02/07/12 05:53 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Yes, and they will be on the humps, points and drop-offs, except when they're not.

I know, I know, we're a sorry lot.

Glad you enjoyed the pics, John. You and your girlfriend have any luck the other day? You should be able to pick up a few whites up around the first bend, if this little cool spell hasn't given them lockjaw.

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#7142308 - 02/07/12 10:51 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Thanks for the link. Good stuff.

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#7142544 - 02/07/12 11:51 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Well Holzer, I can absolutely gauranty you the fish will be between the dam and the river! Oh, no need to thank me for that special report. cheers Good luck


You TFF rookies will never learn! You're supposed to send secret information like this to me via PM and not for everyone else to see laugh
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#7142713 - 02/07/12 12:29 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Holzer I am sorry but those details have been PM'ed to me. A little hint they are killing them on Dunlap.

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#7144434 - 02/07/12 07:39 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: BrandoA]
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Holzer I am sorry but those details have been PM'ed to me. A little hint they are killing them on Dunlap.


rolfmao

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#7148276 - 02/08/12 04:39 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Don't let it DIE!!!!! Sorry guys, I enjoyed this thread. smile
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#7149641 - 02/08/12 09:53 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: parttime]
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Don't let it DIE!!!!! Sorry guys, I enjoyed this thread. smile


Ha! I was thinking the same thing earlier today.

So is this thread "officially" the longest thread on Canyon? laugh


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#7149654 - 02/08/12 09:58 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: parttime]
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Are any of the Canyon regulars planning to come to the TSA weigh in for a meet and greet? I guess it would be a good time to see if these "outsiders" can come to town and figure out how to catch a few within a day. Reguardless, it's always good to put a face with the screen name. You can find me easy at the TSA weigh in. I'm the only good looking one... bolt
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#7149676 - 02/08/12 10:05 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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#7149689 - 02/08/12 10:07 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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#7149924 - 02/08/12 11:31 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Holzer]
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Are any of the Canyon regulars planning to come to the TSA weigh in for a meet and greet? I guess it would be a good time to see if these "outsiders" can come to town and figure out how to catch a few within a day. Reguardless, it's always good to put a face with the screen name. You can find me easy at the TSA weigh in. I'm the only good looking one... bolt


I really hope you guys do well, and please, please post results and some pictures would be nice.

Striper fishing on Canyon has not recovered from the days of pre flood when the water went over the spillway for the first time in it's history several years back, and some of the guides that used to report have either stopped guiding or have gone under the radar, but I really have heard little about the striper fishing and I haven't personally caught anything to brag about in quite a few years either.

You hotshots (respectfully) better do your stuff, and lets see some pictures!


Edited by Jimbo (02/08/12 11:36 PM)

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#7150178 - 02/09/12 05:00 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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What time does the keg party start?

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#7150710 - 02/09/12 08:59 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Jimbo]
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Originally Posted By: Jimbo
Originally Posted By: Holzer
Are any of the Canyon regulars planning to come to the TSA weigh in for a meet and greet? I guess it would be a good time to see if these "outsiders" can come to town and figure out how to catch a few within a day. Reguardless, it's always good to put a face with the screen name. You can find me easy at the TSA weigh in. I'm the only good looking one... bolt


I really hope you guys do well, and please, please post results and some pictures would be nice.

Striper fishing on Canyon has not recovered from the days of pre flood when the water went over the spillway for the first time in it's history several years back, and some of the guides that used to report have either stopped guiding or have gone under the radar, but I really have heard little about the striper fishing and I haven't personally caught anything to brag about in quite a few years either.

You hotshots (respectfully) better do your stuff, and lets see some pictures!



I remember that flood. Didn't the dam almost break? It is going to be tough I suppose but it only takes the right 2 bites 2 fish to win. I am really excited about getting out there this weekend to pre-fish. Love fishing new water.


Duff weigh-in is at 3:00


Edited by BrandoA (02/09/12 09:01 AM)

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#7150987 - 02/09/12 09:49 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Dont take to many out! Leave some for the rest of us when y'all are done. We are going to medina the next couple of weekends so wont be up there to see all the little feeches yall bring in. But please do post up pics.

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#7151103 - 02/09/12 10:13 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Jimbo]
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Originally Posted By: Holzer
Are any of the Canyon regulars planning to come to the TSA weigh in for a meet and greet? I guess it would be a good time to see if these "outsiders" can come to town and figure out how to catch a few within a day. Reguardless, it's always good to put a face with the screen name. You can find me easy at the TSA weigh in. I'm the only good looking one... bolt


I really hope you guys do well, and please, please post results and some pictures would be nice.

Striper fishing on Canyon has not recovered from the days of pre flood when the water went over the spillway for the first time in it's history several years back, and some of the guides that used to report have either stopped guiding or have gone under the radar, but I really have heard little about the striper fishing and I haven't personally caught anything to brag about in quite a few years either.

You hotshots (respectfully) better do your stuff, and lets see some pictures!


I'm interested to see how it goes. I hear alot about "the lack of fish" in the lake but when I go to the TPWD website, I see stockcings of striped bass almost every year starting in 1991. Seems to me that there has to be some fish somewhere in that lake.
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#7151179 - 02/09/12 10:25 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Holzer I am sure some of those fish got flushed out during that flood. That was like a 1000yr flood.

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#7151646 - 02/09/12 12:05 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: BrandoA]
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Not sure what the growth rate of the striped bass is but since then (2002) TPWD has stocked Canyon Lake with over 300,000 striped bass. Now of course, all 300,000 of those fish didn't survive, but still seems to me that there should be some fish in that lake.

I also am currious as to this "can't catch bait" on this lake thing. Why stock with so many striped bass each year if there is a low count of bait fish? I guess, unless that lake is just flat out loaded with perch or crappie.
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#7151657 - 02/09/12 12:07 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Holzer I am guessing what makes catching bait so hard is the fact that this lake is extremely clear. Under lights at night I bet a person can catch some. Or at least I am going to try.

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#7151760 - 02/09/12 12:28 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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I caught a few shad in a cast net on canyon once....once.
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#7152116 - 02/09/12 01:58 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: BrandoA]
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Holzer I am guessing what makes catching bait so hard is the fact that this lake is extremely clear. Under lights at night I bet a person can catch some. Or at least I am going to try.


My guess is because there is none in there. What shad that werent eaten by the starving black bass and striper, were washed over the damn with the black bass and striper in hot pursuit during the Great Flood of '02.

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#7152597 - 02/09/12 04:16 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Found this article dated, June 2011


TPWD’s efforts have paid off. The lake-record striper, 38 pounds, was caught in 1997. More typical of Canyon’s striped bass fishery, however, are the 7-pound fish being marked on Nixon’s graph, said Steve Magnelia, Inland Fisheries biologist with TPWD.

Since the department first stocked stripers in Canyon Lake in 1973, more than 2 million of the fish have gone into the lake, most of them fingerling size, about an inch long.

As with any small fish stocked in open waters, the survival rate is minuscule. Survivability of striped bass fingerlings varies from year to year, Magnelia said, and because stripers do not reproduce naturally in the lake, the continued annual stocking efforts have proved to be the most efficient way to sustain the Canyon Lake fishery.

As they grow, the young striper’s diet gradually shifts to gizzard shad, the primary forage species in the lake. With change of diet comes a growth spurt.

“It takes about two or three growing seasons for stripers to (reach) 20 inches,” Magnelia said. Legal keeper size on Canyon is 18 inches.

Striped bass do grow much larger than the Canyon Lake record. The state record of 53 pounds came from the Brazos River in 1999, and there are stripers in that class just below Canyon Dam in the Guadalupe River.

A few striped bass from the lake have gotten into the river, where they have been documented in surveys conducted by Magnelia, who also monitors that stretch of the river as part of his duties.

“We routinely find (stripers) over 20 pounds in the river,” he said, “and there are 30-50 pounders in there.”


Canyon Lake has been stocked with striped bass since 1973 and stockings have continued most years through 2002. The amount of forage fish in Canyon has been a limiting factor in the development of a good striper fishery. Lack of prey has kept numbers of fish stocked below average. Even though numbers of fish are lower than comparable fisheries, fishing pressure is also less and there is a good population of quality fish.
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#7152657 - 02/09/12 04:30 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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#7152708 - 02/09/12 04:43 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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I caught a few stripers last year in the 12-14# range. Those were the biggest I have caught on the lake since the flood.
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#7152776 - 02/09/12 04:53 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Ranger R]
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Found this article dated, June 2011
Striped bass do grow much larger than the Canyon Lake record. The state record of 53 pounds came from the Brazos River in 1999, and there are stripers in that class just below Canyon Dam in the Guadalupe River.

A few striped bass from the lake have gotten into the river, where they have been documented in surveys conducted by Magnelia, who also monitors that stretch of the river as part of his duties.

“We routinely find (stripers) over 20 pounds in the river,” he said, “and there are 30-50 pounders in there.”


Canyon Lake has been stocked with striped bass since 1973 and stockings have continued most years through 2002. The amount of forage fish in Canyon has been a limiting factor in the development of a good striper fishery. Lack of prey has kept numbers of fish stocked below average. Even though numbers of fish are lower than comparable fisheries, fishing pressure is also less and there is a good population of quality fish.
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What's funny is they fail to mention in that article as to why those stripers caught in the river are 20 pounders and some are in the 30-50 pound range, but the answer is simple.

Trout stockings!

I know several people personally who have caught stripers in the 30 and 40 pound range just below the gates.

The problem with Canyon as mentioned at the end of the article, is there isn't enough forage base in the lake to grow them, and up until the flood in 02 that forage base was pretty strong.

Today, not so much!


Edited by Jimbo (02/09/12 04:58 PM)

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#7153213 - 02/09/12 06:46 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Do the math, and you'll see that TP&W is stocking Canyon with only a third the number of stripers per acre as Buchanan. The biologists classify Canyon as "oligotrophic," meaning poor in nutrients. This results in a shortage of the microscopic organisms needed for a healthy shad population. But that limestone clear water sure is pretty, isn't it?

I winded myself with the net the other day up river, but finally got some nice, bait sized shad. Two of them, to be exact.

Hey, Hendo, you talking about the stripers you caught on silver spoons, next to the dam?

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#7153328 - 02/09/12 07:14 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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Hey, Hendo, you talking about the stripers you caught on silver spoons, next to the dam?


They're at the dam! They're at the dam!



I just figured that the stockings were on the lesser end due to the size of the lake.
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#7153488 - 02/09/12 07:53 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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I believe that 80% of the fish are in 20% of the lake here
at Canyon.I depend on my electronics a lot. Find them, then
try to make them bite. KT lures and Pirk minnows,( If your
going artifical.) The lake is low, so there are some tree
tops sticking up in 60' water. Some of the points are shallow
also, sooo swing wide, if you going around. Hope this helps.

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#7153501 - 02/09/12 07:57 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Holzer]
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Originally Posted By: Holzer
Originally Posted By: duff1
Hey, Hendo, you talking about the stripers you caught on silver spoons, next to the dam?


They're at the dam! They're at the dam!




hammerWell yeah, duh! Didn't you get that pm from me regarding the shopping basket full of stripers I left tied up for you at Lookout Park? Remember I said all I wanted was $500 bucks? woot


The real reason there are no stripers in Canyon is easy! One word...... Duff, he caught them all.

Oh and just in case anyone of you are taking the basket full of stripers seriously, don't, I was just kidding. What ramp are you fellas weighing in at?

And Cat isn't lying, there are some shallow points! scared


Edited by grout-scout (02/09/12 07:59 PM)

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#7153691 - 02/09/12 08:45 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Anyone finding themselves in a studious frame of mind can Google up the 2008 Canyon Reservoir Survey Report for 34 pages of pdf reading pleasure.

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#7153720 - 02/09/12 08:51 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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#7153876 - 02/09/12 09:20 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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Originally Posted By: duff1
Anyone finding themselves in a studious frame of mind can Google up the 2008 Canyon Reservoir Survey Report for 34 pages of pdf reading pleasure.


Hey Duff, can you give us the cliff note version? grin


Edited by grout-scout (02/09/12 09:21 PM)
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#7154018 - 02/09/12 09:49 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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You already did, in the post you started this thread with.

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#7154050 - 02/09/12 09:54 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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Hey, Hendo, you talking about the stripers you caught on silver spoons, next to the dam?


hahaha...is that what I said? LOL. My ol man always taught me if somebody asks where you caught them to say, "I caught em up by the damn on silver spoons".

not by the damn
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#7154334 - 02/09/12 11:18 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Weighing in at Turkey Cove ramp..





WOW..

Due to low lake levels and current seasonal park closures, the following boat ramps are closed: 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 16, 18, 22, 23


Edited by Ranger R (02/09/12 11:21 PM)

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#7154382 - 02/09/12 11:44 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Ranger R]
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Originally Posted By: Ranger R

Weighing in at Turkey Cove ramp..





WOW..

Due to low lake levels and current seasonal park closures, the following boat ramps are closed: 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 16, 18, 22, 23


Yep, the circus is coming to town, and it's going to be at the only ramp that's open!

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#7154611 - 02/10/12 05:55 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Fish Inspector 2/16/2011: "Sweet Hendo, what part of the lake did you find them?"

Hendo: "up by the dam on johnson spoons. . . LOL."

One must be very careful here. There are those who believe Canyonites have engaged in a conspiracy of disinformation to discourage outsiders from sharing in the harvest of this amazingly prolific fishery.

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#7154812 - 02/10/12 07:38 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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Originally Posted By: duff1
There are those who believe Canyonites have engaged in a conspiracy of disinformation to discourage outsiders from sharing in the harvest of this amazingly prolific fishery.


Google "Duff fishing on Canyon" and you can see how easy it is to catch fish on this lake.

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#7154819 - 02/10/12 07:44 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Seriously, they can knock you right out of the boat out there.

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#7154824 - 02/10/12 07:46 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Originally Posted By: grout-scout
Remember I said all I wanted was $500 bucks? woot



I gave it to a friend of yours. She is a waitress at this restaurant called Tiffanys Cabaret. She said she would give it to you next time she seen you. She looked like a nice gal.
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#7154849 - 02/10/12 07:56 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Holzer]
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Originally Posted By: Holzer
Originally Posted By: grout-scout
Remember I said all I wanted was $500 bucks? woot



I gave it to a friend of yours. She is a waitress at this restaurant called Tiffanys Cabaret. She said she would give it to you next time she seen you. She looked like a nice gal.


Was she the waitress or the pole dancer hmmm. I get them all confused, lol, kidding of course. Never been in that dump hole, I don't think it's even open anymore.?.? Good luck fellas, you are gonna need it.

Hey Duff, I have this funny feeling these guys are going to dump this thread as soon as their tourney is over! But then again the fishing is soooo great they just might come back.


Edited by grout-scout (02/10/12 01:28 PM)

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#7155129 - 02/10/12 09:13 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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I don't know. Canyon isnt that far from me and always like to fish different water.

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#7155135 - 02/10/12 09:14 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Next big thread: Buchaanon. Stay tuned wink

Hopefully the write up on the TSA Canyon tourney will come out shortly after. With lots of pic of all those 20 pounders of course smile
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#7155166 - 02/10/12 09:21 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Holzer]
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Originally Posted By: Holzer
Next big thread: Buchaanon. Stay tuned wink

Hopefully the write up on the TSA Canyon tourney will come out shortly after. With lots of pic of all those 20 pounders of course smile


You may have to sneak over below the dam if your looking for a 20 pounder, and just make sure you use a lure in a rainbow trout pattern because using the real thing is illegal I believe.

Seriously, I'm looking forward to eating a lot of crow when you guys finish out your tourney. cheers


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#7155209 - 02/10/12 09:33 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Regarding Buchanan, we have a lot of reports:

http://www.austinbassfishing.com/forum/striped-hybrid-white-bass-reports/


But never have fished Canyon before. And this weekend for pre-fishing, looks tough. Potters Creek boat ramp is OPEN per park rangers. We will see.Need all the help from Mother Nature we can get. wink

Today: A chance of showers and thunderstorms before noon, then a slight chance of showers. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 61. North northwest wind between 5 and 15 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph. Chance of precipitation is 50%.

Tonight: Mostly clear, with a low around 36. North northeast wind between 5 and 10 mph.

Saturday: Sunny, with a high near 54. Northeast wind between 10 and 15 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph.

Saturday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low around 33. Northeast wind around 10 mph.

Sunday: A slight chance of showers, then a chance of showers and thunderstorms after noon. Partly sunny, with a high near 46. East wind between 10 and 15 mph. Chance of precipitation is 40%.




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#7155219 - 02/10/12 09:35 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Holzer]
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Originally Posted By: Holzer
Next big thread: Buchaanon. Stay tuned wink

Hopefully the write up on the TSA Canyon tourney will come out shortly after. With lots of pic of all those 20 pounders of course smile



Heck don't know anything about Buchanan wink But Holzer in your case I will tell you where you can launch. Without Kerry you may get lost and end up in Del Rio or something.

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#7155943 - 02/10/12 12:12 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: BrandoA]
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Without Kerry you may get lost and end up in Del Rio or something.


Sadly, that's not all that far from the truth. Last year while driving to the Cedar Creek tournament. I was in Weatherford when I realized that I was driving in the wrong direction. Hopefully I will not miss my exit going to this Canyon Tourney. I've been to the lake before, but this will be the first to go the way I will be traveling. I-35 barf
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#7156098 - 02/10/12 12:52 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Holzer]
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Originally Posted By: Holzer
Originally Posted By: BrandoA
Without Kerry you may get lost and end up in Del Rio or something.


Sadly, that's not all that far from the truth. Last year while driving to the Cedar Creek tournament. I was in Weatherford when I realized that I was driving in the wrong direction. Hopefully I will not miss my exit going to this Canyon Tourney. I've been to the lake before, but this will be the first to go the way I will be traveling. I-35 barf



just take the 306 exit and turn right....if you get to New Braunfels you missed the exit. If you are launching at #1 or #2(turkey cove) you will need to turn left on 2673 in Sattler then a right on Island View....follow boat ramp signs from there.

this may help http://g.co/maps/n9zcx
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#7156844 - 02/10/12 04:50 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Hendo]
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Thanks Hendo. I hope that 306 is well marked. By the time I get down there it will be Wednesday evening. I don't see that well in the dark.
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#7156990 - 02/10/12 05:36 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Using Hendo's map if you go past the intersection of 2673 and continue straight the next light you can turn left on which is called S. Access road, and it will take you right past the foot of the dam and you will cross the outlet which is where everyone fishes for those trout (and 20+ stripers) and then there is a little honky tonk and RV park.

You might check there if you are still looking for a place to park some RV's.

The name of the place slips my mind and maybe someone can come up with the name of the establishment.

Also if you continue on the S Access rd. it comes out right there at Sattler and take a right at the intersection on 2673 and follow his instructions getting to Turkey cove. If you go straight the S Access road turns into river road and passes all the camps on the Guadalupe below Canyon lake and eventually comes out in New Braunfels so it's kind of a short cut although slower than going all the way back to 306 and backtracking to get to the stores there in New Braunfels which I would recommmend rather than paying the prices there at the lake.

Also I highly recommend if you try that little town of Gruene just off 306 when you make that right turn off I35, go past the RR tracks and intersection, and take a left on Hunter road and it takes you right into Gruene Hall, and try the Grist Mill restaurant right next door, if your looking for a good place to eat out if you get tired of camp food, and the women folk will thank you for taking them since the little town is full of small shops, and just a fun place to spend a few hours.


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#7157029 - 02/10/12 05:53 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Holzer]
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Originally Posted By: Holzer
Thanks Hendo. I hope that 306 is well marked. By the time I get down there it will be Wednesday evening. I don't see that well in the dark.


It is. It is the same exit as Gruene. It's only about 10 minutes south of San Marcos, so start watching for it then.
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#7157363 - 02/10/12 07:50 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Hendo]
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Thanks for the help Jimbo & Hendo. I'll be staying at the Fort Sam Rec Park. Not sure about tourney morning yet. I hope that there is some beach area that I might be able to rest the nose of the boat on other than rock. The Turkey lodge website said that they had a courtsey dock. Hopefully I can just tie up to that.
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#7157519 - 02/10/12 08:34 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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The Turkey Creek ramp is open, but the dock is resting on terra firma. It's pretty rocky all around there. I have seen boats beached in a little cove to the side of the lodge, but the water was much higher then. Might want to have Brando and Ranger scope it out for you.

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#7157835 - 02/10/12 09:52 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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Ya, Alan told me that it was rocky there and he wouldn't recomend it. As crazy as it sounds, I was looking on google maps and it looks like there is s secondary cove next to the ramp. It crossed my mind to bring some extra rope to run across the cove to tie up to.

I also have a Minn Kota I-Pilot. I could just push the boat off into the water and then hit the anchor lock. But man would that suck if something should go wrong and you loose power, big wind, short, etc. come up.
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#7157910 - 02/10/12 10:25 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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You've lost me on the rope business. You could just anchor up in that side cove and swim to the bank.

If you discount for the time it would take to run your boat from the Ft. Sam Rec. area to the Lodge, you shouldn't lose more than 15 minutes by driving. It's not that far.

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#7158441 - 02/11/12 08:23 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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If you discount for the time it would take to run your boat from the Ft. Sam Rec. area to the Lodge, you shouldn't lose more than 15 minutes by driving. It's not that far.


OK. It looks further on the map I guess.

On that rope thing, I guess I didn't write it out well. What I was referring to was... well never mind hammer
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#7164838 - 02/12/12 09:18 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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popcorn

You boys get lock-jaw in the fingers?

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#7165719 - 02/13/12 07:34 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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popcorn

You boys get lock-jaw in the fingers?


Ya, it will be hard to get much out of someone from about now until the afternoon of the 25th. cool
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#7166466 - 02/13/12 10:36 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Beautiful lake. Man that water is clear by the damn. Robert caught a new lake record Flathead and we boated another 18lb blue. Lost two more huge cats. As for stripers we picked up a few. They were skinny!!!!

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#7166634 - 02/13/12 11:11 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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#7167096 - 02/13/12 12:33 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Looks like Holzer has found some new playmates! grin Looking forward to meeting some of you at the weigh-in. Holzer will be the littlest guy there.
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#7167749 - 02/13/12 03:09 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: BrandoA]
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Beautiful lake. Man that water is clear by the damn. Robert caught a new lake record Flathead and we boated another 18lb blue. Lost two more huge cats. As for stripers we picked up a few. They were skinny!!!!

Brandon, what was the weight on the Flathead?
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#7167782 - 02/13/12 03:17 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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John we are thinking 50lbs. It bottomed out my 40lb scale. Pm your email and I will send some pics.

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#7168163 - 02/13/12 04:45 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Did you get it on a certified scale? Need that to be a record, there are several of us with certified scales down here. I'll pm my email addy, would like to see the beast!
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#7168824 - 02/13/12 07:42 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: parttime]
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Did you get it on a certified scale? Need that to be a record, there are several of us with certified scales down here. I'll pm my email addy, would like to see the beast!


Post some pics of that bad boy!!! Guess I need to give up bass fishing over there and try fishing for: crappie, whites, catfish, stripers, carp, gar, perch, minnows.

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#7169110 - 02/13/12 08:37 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Originally Posted By: parttime
Did you get it on a certified scale? Need that to be a record, there are several of us with certified scales down here. I'll pm my email addy, would like to see the beast!


Post some pics of that bad boy!!! Guess I need to give up bass fishing over there and try fishing for: crappie, whites, catfish, stripers, carp, gar, perch, minnows.


Are there any tree bass in this lake? When those things hit you think you caught a big one and are all pumped up! For about a second.
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#7169299 - 02/13/12 09:01 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Lost many expensive cranks to the infamous and mysterious (also elusive) tree bass! I've hooked many, landed none. Even had one jump up and try to take my lower unit out once. scared

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#7169717 - 02/13/12 10:26 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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#7169864 - 02/13/12 11:37 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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All the local TPWD cert scales only went to 30lbs. I hope to get an official weight on Tuesday morning. Here is a pic of me and fish. I weigh 170lbs.

Current lake certified Flathead Catfish record in 23.00lbs. This thing was very heavy! I feel like I doubled it, especially on a rod and reel.



You judge the weight.

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#7170078 - 02/14/12 05:54 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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nice catch!

what happened to the picture?
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#7172660 - 02/14/12 06:03 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Hendo]
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Catching Bait:
If you had to pick one, which one would you get the best bait (shad) out of?

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#7173213 - 02/14/12 08:11 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Easier to find on Cally for me.
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#7173859 - 02/14/12 10:28 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: parttime]
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#7173936 - 02/14/12 10:55 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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#7174522 - 02/15/12 07:26 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Hendo]
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Thanks! So is there any "go to" spot on Cally? Like at a hot water discharge or something? I'm not wanting to be there long or at the ramp after dark... Should I be concerned about being at the ramp after dark? Don't know anything about the place. Never been.
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#7174564 - 02/15/12 07:42 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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you can try going to the wall... there is always bait there... make sure you try both sides of it...sometimes they are on the lake side pushed up against the wall... and be scared after dark... well not unless your a puss smile
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#7174600 - 02/15/12 07:56 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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While castnetting,if you should catch a black looking creature with extremely long pectoral and dorsal fins and it has a hard shelled armored body don't touch it!

If you touch it, they turn into a Chupacabra and will suck out all your blood!

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#7174604 - 02/15/12 07:58 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Jimbo]
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While castnetting,if you should catch a black looking creature with extremely long pectoral and dorsal fins and it has a hard shelled armored body don't touch it!

If you touch it, they turn into a Chupacabra and will suck out all your blood!



hahaha those sucker fish will mess up the cast net too .

There shouldn't be any issue fishing over the night if you are fishing over 8pm then make sure you paid extra cash LoL their recent changes on fee sucks .

I have always fished till dark once in a while till 3-4am in the morning .
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#7174633 - 02/15/12 08:09 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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You shouldn't have any trouble catching bait on either lake. I always hit the reeds.

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#7174731 - 02/15/12 08:36 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Just put in at the deep ramp (one to right as you pull into the park) and cast net right there in the deep water ramp cove.
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#7175470 - 02/15/12 11:14 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: jsb91010]
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Originally Posted By: jsb91010
well not unless your a puss smile


rolfmao

I probably do have that look of being a wuss? I'll have to get in the gym a little more I guess rolleyes



Thanks again for the all the info on places. Not really looking forward to traveling that far for bait. I hope that I can prove those Canyon guys wrong and find some to catch on Canyon.
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#7175666 - 02/15/12 12:04 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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If you can get on the Guad under I-35, you can find good bait in the river....
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#7175867 - 02/15/12 12:58 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Why, accessing the Guad is no problem at all. You can do that right below the dam. They even have a nice parking area and a concrete stairway for your comfort and convenience.

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#7176095 - 02/15/12 01:53 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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Why, accessing the Guad is no problem at all. You can do that right below the dam. They even have a nice parking area and a concrete stairway for your comfort and convenience.


Maybe it's just me, but it bothered me just a little when someone was throwing a cast net right around where your trying to catch rainbow trout.

Just kidding, but it may be a little too crowded this time of year to do that unless it's at some odd hours of the night.

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#7176174 - 02/15/12 02:14 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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Why, accessing the Guad is no problem at all. You can do that right below the dam. They even have a nice parking area and a concrete stairway for your comfort and convenience.


I like those shad that have a brownish tint to them with a few speckles on the tail. They are a great bait!
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#7179892 - 02/16/12 11:47 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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#7180328 - 02/16/12 01:37 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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try taking tilapia to canyon... it's like a rare delicacy to them canyon fish
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#7180939 - 02/16/12 03:54 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: jsb91010]
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try taking tilapia to canyon... it's like a rare delicacy to them canyon fish


Think that might be a tad ILLEGAL, right?



Edited by grout-scout (02/16/12 05:27 PM)

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#7180948 - 02/16/12 03:56 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Originally Posted By: jsb91010
try taking tilapia to canyon... it's like a rare delicacy to them canyon fish


Think that might be a tad ILLEGAL, right?


How is that illegal ? Tilapia is not game fish and you are not suppose to throw them back at lake here once u catch them.
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#7181220 - 02/16/12 05:10 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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They are an invasive species, they have to be eviscerated before they leave the water you catch them on. Then you can do with them as you please.
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#7181293 - 02/16/12 05:28 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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try taking tilapia to canyon... it's like a rare delicacy to them canyon fish


Think that might be a tad ILLEGAL, right?



O.K, O.K, you are right! It is only illegal if you get caught. And you know what they say? "If your not cheating, your not trying".

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#7181460 - 02/16/12 06:18 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: parttime]
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They are an invasive species, they have to be eviscerated before they leave the water you catch them on. Then you can do with them as you please.


Yes Talapia are not to be transported live to another body of water as you say.

Don't know what the fine would be, but I've not heard of anyone being caught but I wouldn't want to be the first.

That said, I tried to find it on the TPWD website and I know it's there because I've read it before, but I hate their website because it's so hard to navigate through it and find what you are looking for and it's almost like they make it difficult on purpose since it's a sneaky way for them to make some revenue by keeping the public ignorant.

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#7182420 - 02/16/12 10:09 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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You are right Jimbo. TPWD website sucks!
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#7182933 - 02/17/12 06:22 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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General Fishing Rules

Prohibited Acts

It is a violation to:

Possess tilapia, grass carp, or any other fish listed as harmful or potentially harmful, without immediately removing the intestines, except on waters where a valid Triploid Grass Carp Permit is in effect. In those waters, it is illegal to possess grass carp. Any grass carp caught must be immediately returned to the water unharmed.

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#7182948 - 02/17/12 06:31 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Give greets to Warden Stewman for me as I know she will be on Canyon Lake during a big event. She loves her job.

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#7183046 - 02/17/12 07:25 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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I believe that you are required to gut that fish the moment you catch them at that point you can do anything you like

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#7183213 - 02/17/12 08:22 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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How does Lonestar work for bait down there?
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#7183300 - 02/17/12 08:40 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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I know Tilipa are consider invasive but what damage do they do?

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#7183638 - 02/17/12 10:25 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: BrandoA]
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Tilapia can cause problems for native flora and fauna in several ways. They will compete with other species for food and can disrupt the ecological balance. Tilapia can also cause turbidity in clear waters since they are fond of digging. Turbidity will reduce the amount of available light in the water, which affects all organisms relying on photosynthesis.
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#7183695 - 02/17/12 10:45 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Thanks Hendo. Good information.

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#7183723 - 02/17/12 10:54 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Haha thanks for clearing up !

I am just wondering if you hit calaveras on summer time every freaking angler out there is fishing with live tilapias . That's why i asked that question.
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#7184151 - 02/17/12 12:39 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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I know it's the law and they want to keep the Talapia out of the rivers and streams where they are not established, but I doubt that they would survive in the cold waters of Canyon Lake.

The reason they are so prolific at Braunig and Calaveras is because of the power plants warm water outlets.

Braunig used to be full of them, but not so much anymore, and one of the reasons they allow the commercial castnetters at Calaveras to help keep them in check.

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#7184174 - 02/17/12 12:44 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Those reds are reason tilapias are decreasing at cali /braunig.
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#7184426 - 02/17/12 02:05 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: TuN3R]
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Those reds are reason tilapias are decreasing at cali /braunig.


Yep, I agree 100%, and after they got done with the bass, and crappie that's all they had left!

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#7185088 - 02/17/12 05:26 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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#7185125 - 02/17/12 05:39 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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So....tilapia as a cut bait is not appropriate?
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#7185181 - 02/17/12 05:59 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Jimbo]
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Must be why I haven't seen a decent Crappie out of either lake in years.

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#7185306 - 02/17/12 06:39 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Well hell, I guess they couldn't make Canyon any worse, might as well let them suckers go free there. Falcon & Amistad are full of them and have big ol bass.

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#7185311 - 02/17/12 06:39 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Steven168]
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So....tilapia as a cut bait is not appropriate?


They are fine as long as the are dead, dead, dead! Guts removed too.

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#7186751 - 02/18/12 07:46 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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got 2.5 inches of rain last night and it is still pouring. this is exactly what canyon needs before summer. did a job at the lake yesterday and all the feeder creeks had a little running water in them. good news!

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#7186768 - 02/18/12 07:55 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: fishinnb]
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Great news fishinnb! I might make it up there next weekend to start looking for the whites.

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#7186991 - 02/18/12 08:51 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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We need about 10" of rain in Kerville. That would flood the Guadalupe and help to fill up Canyon.

the river is only flowing at 160 cfs right now...an improvement, but not enough to make a difference.
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#7187185 - 02/18/12 09:45 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Hendo]
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Yep, give me 2.5 to 3.0 inches a day for about five straight days back to back, and then were talking!

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#7187280 - 02/18/12 10:16 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Now they're saying 60% chance of rain for 2/25. Good thing these TSA boys are tough as rawhide.

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#7188087 - 02/18/12 02:32 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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Now they're saying 60% chance of rain for 2/25. Good thing these TSA boys are tough as rawhide.


rolfmao and we all know fish bite better in the rain stir. There better be lot's of limits if I drive over to watch the weigh in.

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#7188949 - 02/18/12 06:54 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Jimbo]
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Originally Posted By: Jimbo
Yep, give me 2.5 to 3.0 inches a day for about five straight days back to back


eeks


Rain is good. It will help keep the smell down for some of these guys. bolt
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#7193928 - 02/20/12 08:31 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Holzer signing off. Hope to have something good to say after Saturday. If you see me at the weigh in come by and say hi.
That is unless I owe you money or dated your sister years ago bolt
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#7198593 - 02/21/12 09:39 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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He should be easy to spot. Big ugly guy who resembles Shrek.

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#7217259 - 02/26/12 02:51 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Sound like they had a pretty good tourney, heard an 18 pounder was caught.
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#7218158 - 02/26/12 07:51 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: parttime]
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#7218776 - 02/26/12 10:16 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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http://texasfishingforum.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7138046/6/TSA_comes_to_CANYON_LAKE_Febru


Canyon must have lived up to it's reputation! 3 or 4 fish caught?

Time for this thread to die?


Edited by grout-scout (02/26/12 10:18 PM)

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#7219452 - 02/27/12 08:20 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Thank you guys for letting me know that the shad in Calaveras is the SORRIEST BAIT known in Texas!

I caught bait in Lewisville on Tuesday afternoon. It bounced around in my tank for 300 miles Wednesday. Fished with that bait Thursday and Friday. Threw out the last few I had Friday afternoon when I caught bait on Cally. All my cally bait was dead by 10 a.m. Sat. morning. Stripers don't like dead bait realmad I caught fish very similar to the 2nd & 3rd place teams on Thursday & Friday. On Saturday, fishing with dead bait - 0 stripers frown
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#7219456 - 02/27/12 08:21 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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I told you to check up dunlap for gizzard shads LoL .
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#7219462 - 02/27/12 08:22 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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There was a big 18# fish caught. We caught 3 limits Sat. With the exception of the 18# fatty all the fish were skinny. Its sad that a 21-22" fish weighs only 3lbs.

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#7219468 - 02/27/12 08:23 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Holzer]
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Originally Posted By: Holzer
Thank you guys for letting me know that the shad in Calaveras is the SORRIEST BAIT known in Texas!

I caught bait in Lewisville on Tuesday afternoon. It bounced around in my tank for 300 miles Wednesday. Fished with that bait Thursday and Friday. Threw out the last few I had Friday afternoon when I caught bait on Cally. All my cally bait was dead by 10 a.m. Sat. morning. Stripers don't like dead bait realmad I caught fish very similar to the 2nd & 3rd place teams on Thursday & Friday. On Saturday, fishing with dead bait - 0 stripers frown



Holzer I wonder if the temperature change caused the death. You should have called I would have given you some shiners.

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#7219472 - 02/27/12 08:25 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Down the road there are few baitshops around that lake lol .


Edited by TuN3R (02/27/12 08:25 AM)
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#7219478 - 02/27/12 08:26 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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#7219503 - 02/27/12 08:31 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Thanks Brandon. I learned a few things on this trip. I just may have to do that in the future if that ever happens again. I wished I would have called you more while on the water just to stay in touch. But I was so focused on trying to find something that would work I got a little tunnel vision.


TuN3R, I wanted to. But traveling with family and all, I didn't have as much time as I had planed. I needed to go to a "for sure, not take to long" place rather than to go looking around. If I ever want to catch 200 small threadfin shad in one throw, I know what lake to go to juggle
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#7219533 - 02/27/12 08:39 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Next time don't hesitate. Luckly from hear on out catching bait shouldn't be an issue. I was plesantly surprised on how well Jumbo Shiners worked. Great back up bait for sure.


Edited by BrandoA (02/27/12 10:24 AM)

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#7219820 - 02/27/12 09:54 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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We've been catching 6-8 inch shad on Cally, in the cove of the Deep water ramp, I believe that is what I suggested.
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#7219969 - 02/27/12 10:32 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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I am guessing the reason for the die off is the extreme temperature change from Caly to canyon.

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#7220010 - 02/27/12 10:46 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: parttime]
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Originally Posted By: parttime
We've been catching 6-8 inch shad on Cally, in the cove of the Deep water ramp, I believe that is what I suggested.


Tried. FULL of 2 inch threads. Tried there, to the left by those docks, straight across next to the trees, and at the mouth of that cove. FuLL, FULL, FULL of 2 in threafin shad.
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#7220024 - 02/27/12 10:49 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: BrandoA]
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Most likely. That and once "death" happens in the tank it's a unstoppable train. At 930, I drained my tank, got any dead shad out of it and refilled with lake water. My last 5 shad perked up a little. But still were not worth a dang.
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#7220490 - 02/27/12 12:52 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Originally Posted By: grout-scout
http://texasfishingforum.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7138046/6/TSA_comes_to_CANYON_LAKE_Febru


Canyon must have lived up to it's reputation! 3 or 4 fish caught?

Time for this thread to die?


And I was all set to eat a big plate of crow!

Oh well, Guess now they'll believe us locals, but I was hoping they'd prove us wrong! thumb

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#7220719 - 02/27/12 01:47 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Two weeks ago while pre fishing we somewhere around 40-50 keepers in two days. Sat we caught a 15 keepers and several unders so IMO Canyon wasn't as tough as I anticipated. The fish quality was surprising. I wouldn't have guessed that a 21-23" fish would weigh 2.5-3.25lbs.

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#7221046 - 02/27/12 03:05 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: BrandoA]
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Canyon has been stocked heavily over the years so nobody ever said there wasn't enough fish to keep it interesting, it's just that the lake is lacking in forage fish which is the reason for the stripers to be long and skinny as mentioned in the thread, and those Keepers you caught probably should have been larger stripers had they had that forage base.

I just figured that with a big tournament the pro's would prove that point, and they seem to have done that!

It kind of speaks volumes when people are transporting in shad from another lake in an attempt to catch fish, with live bait that Canyon lake should have been able to produce.

I'm not knocking your prowess as a striper angler at all, or anyone who participated, but just making reference to what had been said earlier about the lake since all the inquiries, and I was wishing you guys good luck with what lake you had to work with, and after all, you all seemed to do well.



Edited by Jimbo (02/27/12 03:08 PM)

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#7221101 - 02/27/12 03:15 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Got ya. Yeah I was shocked at how skinny those fish were. Maybe the state needs to start stocking shad.


Edited by BrandoA (02/27/12 03:15 PM)

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#7221332 - 02/27/12 04:12 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: BrandoA]
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Got ya. Yeah I was shocked at how skinny those fish were. Maybe the state needs to start stocking shad.


I believe they tried that already but the lake doesn't have the nutrients to support the plankton, and lower life forms in the food chain to support the shad.

Someone called it the dead sea!....It's not quite that, but it won't ever be a lake Fork or Toledo Bend.

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#7221699 - 02/27/12 05:31 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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It is what it is, and it's never been real good. If I'm following the methodology correctly, the two best fish caught by the team taking second place weighed about 8 lbs, and two weighing about 6 lbs. took third. How many anglers per team? Three? Four?

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#7222449 - 02/27/12 08:15 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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Originally Posted By: duff1
It is what it is, and it's never been real good. If I'm following the methodology correctly, the two best fish caught by the team taking second place weighed about 8 lbs, and two weighing about 6 lbs. took third. How many anglers per team? Three? Four?


It's a "family friendly" association so there is no limit to how many people to a team (that I know of). But most teams are 2 people.
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#7223419 - 02/27/12 11:24 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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You shoudda went with goldfish.

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#7223626 - 02/28/12 04:51 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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Originally Posted By: duff1
You shoudda went with goldfish.



Shhhhhhhhhhhsssssssssssh!....Now you did it!

All the pet shops will be out!

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#7223694 - 02/28/12 06:19 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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That reminds me of an ol' boy from Austin I used to run into from time to time out there. He was big on goldfish, and usually did pretty well. He claimed he had to resort to guile to get them because, according to him, pet shops refuse to sell them to you if they know you're using them for bait. He would tell them he was buying them to feed to other fish in his outdoor pond. Apparently, pet shops stock "feeder" goldfish for this very purpose.

You ever notice that sign on N. Cranes Mill Road advertising "feeder mice"? Weird. Maybe some trotliners use them for bait.

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#7223977 - 02/28/12 08:03 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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We tried some goldfish that were left over from the weekend before. I think we caught 1 or 2 on them.

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#7224294 - 02/28/12 09:17 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Perhaps those mice would be a better option. See, I'm thinking that, if you hooked them through the nape of the neck, they might look real enticing as they threshed around on top. Might have to train them how to swim first, though.

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#7225004 - 02/28/12 12:06 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
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Originally Posted By: duff1
You shoudda went with goldfish.


I changed the water in my tank with the shad I brought with me twice while I was down there. If I had known that the shad out of Cally wouldn't have lasted 24hrs I would have. Goldfish, minnows, shrimp, crawfish, anything but those worthless pieces of %#@& out of calaveras! bang
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#7225061 - 02/28/12 12:25 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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so how fared the trollers, slabbers, and crankbait chunkers?

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#7225096 - 02/28/12 12:31 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Duff I don't think anybody trolled or chunked crankbaits. Robert jigged up one small striper on a chartruse slab and that was it.

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#7225631 - 02/28/12 03:06 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: BrandoA]
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I think Team Lone Palm was doing some trolling.
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#7225944 - 02/28/12 04:28 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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We've been buying hybrid bluegill for several years from
Fishermans Corner they are a little expensive but they
really hold up for drift fishing for stripers or juglining
for blue cats. When you need bait a little expense is worth
the trouble.

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#7226048 - 02/28/12 04:56 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Your professional striper angler doesn't rely on locals for info.

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#7227338 - 02/28/12 09:38 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Hey Canyon Lakers

If you wanted to fish the river end of the lake where would
you put in ? What ramps are open ?

thanks !

Chris

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Edited by doctorxring (02/28/12 11:31 PM)

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#7227856 - 02/29/12 12:34 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: doctorxring]
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Originally Posted By: doctorxring
Hey Canyon Lakers

If you wanted to fish the river end of the lake where would
you put in ? What ramps are open ?

thanks !

Chris

.


Boat ramp #6 might be your closest one right now, but you will have to round the Crane's Mill Park peninsula. It's a bit of haul, but ramps #7 and #8 are closed, as well as the Crane's Mill Park. I believe #6 is your best bet (right now) if you are putting in from the south side of the lake.
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#7228249 - 02/29/12 07:33 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: doctorxring]
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Your best option might depend on whether you have someone to back your trailer down the ramp for you. At the ramp Steve's talking about, on the Tom Creek Arm, someone has placed some old tires in the water, beside the ramp, and it's easy to run your boat up on them and step ashore. The Potters Creek Ramp is a lot closer, but there's nothing but sharp rock on either side of the ramp. The courtesy dock is still afloat, but the walkway has been gated off. Saw a guy the other day tie up to the dock and wade to the bank with hip boots, but that might be the hard way to go about it.

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#7228483 - 02/29/12 08:35 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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During the tournament we put in at Potters without issue. .


Edited by BrandoA (03/01/12 07:53 AM)

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#7228597 - 02/29/12 09:06 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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It's not the cable but the Dock Closed sign that troubles me. Use it at the wrong time and you risk getting a citation. That area is policed. Too, the walkway is pulling loose from where it's anchored at the top.

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#7228641 - 02/29/12 09:17 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: BrandoA]
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Wait minute. Did y'all put in at the ramp inside the Potters Creek camping area? That one is only available to campers. I'm talking about the free ramp, and there's no cable, but a waist high padlocked gate at the top of the walkway with a "Closed" sign on it.

Forgot to mention that one advantage of the Potters Creek ramp is that it takes you by Fishermans Corner, where you can usually find anything you need for fishing.

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#7228840 - 02/29/12 10:02 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Duff it might have been a gate. Not really sure cause I was always in the boat. But it was the free one. I never went into Fishermans Corner but Steve said it was nice. Their hours are strange for a bait shop though.

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#7228912 - 02/29/12 10:30 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Duffster, don't turn me in but I used the dock also bolt. I crawled under the pipe fence/handrail and I will admit I had a little pucker factor when I saw the walkway bolts broken free from the concrete. I can def. see the liability reasons as to why they shut it down, freaking steep! And yes the thought about the sheriffs dept crossed my mind, so I hurried. ninja cheers

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#7228997 - 02/29/12 10:52 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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A little explanation on the low weights. We had suspected, and pretty much confirmed Saturday, that our new scale is off quite a bit. Our two fish weighed 6-11 and 4-8 on our electronic scale in the boat. The third place team also mentioned his fish weighed heavier on his scale. The eighteen pounder weighed just that on the first place team's Boga but only pushed 16.14 on the weigh-in scale.

Since Brandon's bad luck with finding a certified scale in the area to weigh his catfish, Team Lone Palm brought one to the tournament. They had a youngster fishing with them and mentioned there were several breakable Jr. records on Canyon. They wanted to make sure they had one.

They certified the 18 pounder and found Piggy Perch and our scales to be pretty much right on. So the real numbers were 11+lbs for second and 9+ for third. That's a reasonable weight for a February tournament on any lake in post-frontal conditions. Capt John took our scale to have it calibrated and certified before the next tournament

Alan and I were fairly impressed with the fish population on Canyon. Yes, we brought bait from Belton, but we do that for every tournament. It's mainly for backup if we can't find it on the tournament lake. In our experience local bait seems to be more effective than transported bait on most lakes.

The Canyon stripers didn't seem to mind at all though. We started catching almost immediately after stopping on our first spot. They moved out after about an hour so we trollmotored accross the river channel to a shallow flat and hit them again. I know we caught over 40 fish from those two spots and went through about 80 shad. We actually only cranked the big motor twice all day. Once at the launch and once to head to the weigh-in.

Congrats again to George Bryant and team Shearwater for that beautiful fish! It was definitely the biggest striper I'd ever laid hands on.

Nice to meet some of you guys. You have a beautiful lake.
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#7229588 - 02/29/12 01:09 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Ok so let me get this strait you guy's did locate and catch fish, even though the were running small. is that right? I am sorry that I could not be out there to meet ya'll but I had a previous function and could not get away, hopefully next time.
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#7229764 - 02/29/12 02:03 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Over the three days of fishing we caught over 50 18-25" stripers and probably twice that many throw backs. The largest, based on my digital scale which later checked to be accurate within 2oz, was 5.9lbs. According to our scales our 2 fish should have been around 7bs. But overall I would say the fish were skinny.

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#7229788 - 02/29/12 02:09 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Yessir. After studying the map, we had 7 or 8 spots marked to check out Saturday morning. I had never been on the lake and Alan said he hadn't fished it in over 20 years, and then just for crappie and whites.

We stopped and graphed 3 spots and marked some fish at two of them. They didn't look too great and there were other guys in those areas so we continued upriver.

We stopped at a spot where a major creek channel met the river channel and marked a few more fish than we had the previous spots. Since this was the furthest west spot we had marked on the map we decided to drop some baits. We had a pull down almost immediately and boated a 18 1/4" fish. We spent the next hour upgrading and had about six pounds before they shut off.

We moved across the river and started working a flat from about 10' to 25', dragging baits with the trollmotor. Most of the fish we caught there, including the two we weighed, came out of 10'-15'. We stayed there the rest of the day just working up and down the side of the river channel shallow-deeper-shallow.
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#7230127 - 02/29/12 03:36 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Mr. G, did y'all catch any decent sized black bass, you know maybe by mistake?

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#7230232 - 02/29/12 03:58 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
parttime Offline
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Loc: San Antonio
Great feedback from the tournament guys! I am looking forward to chasing some of these stripers this coming spring!
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#7230276 - 02/29/12 04:12 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
BrandoA Offline
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Registered: 06/09/11
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Most of the teams were fishing Mystic Point and I believe that is where the big fish was caught. We fished a long ridge just out of Cranes Mill Marina. Most of the fish we caught were in 20-30 ft of water fishing our baits a couple of reels off the bottom. The numbers were there and the length, just not weight nor that one anchor fish.

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#7231485 - 02/29/12 08:57 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: tamale]
MrG Offline
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Loc: Belton, TX
Originally Posted By: tamale
Mr. G, did y'all catch any decent sized black bass, you know maybe by mistake?
Only one small one, maybe 12". I did mention to Alan that with the surface temp around 58, that shallow flat we were on might get right in a week or so.

We do run into a few greenies from time to time. These Belton fish were all on at the same time and all released.
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#7232324 - 03/01/12 03:43 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
duff1 Offline
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Loc: Central Texas
You're admitting to a federal offense, man. That's a COE ramp.

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#7232633 - 03/01/12 07:39 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
Holzer Offline
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Loc: Roanoke, Texas
Originally Posted By: duff1
You're admitting to a federal offense, man. That's a COE ramp.


I broke the law once. I "let one go" in my wifes car. That little prank got me 2 years probation flame
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#7232902 - 03/01/12 08:51 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
BrandoA Offline
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Loc: Marble Falls
Holzer your lucky it wasnt a life sentence!!!

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#7232964 - 03/01/12 09:10 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
duff1 Offline
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Loc: Central Texas
Tell you what, podnah. Let's go in together on a 12 year note for a striper rig with a top-of-the-line shad tank, dedicate our Saturdays to catching and hauling in bait from somewhere, and then we can go out on Sundays and catch us some of these 3 pound stripers. Well, I don't know, though. On second thought, that sounds more like hard work than fun.

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#7233003 - 03/01/12 09:19 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
BrandoA Offline
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Registered: 06/09/11
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Loc: Marble Falls
Now your talking Duff!!!!!

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#7233190 - 03/01/12 09:58 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
duff1 Offline
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Might as well invest in some accurate measuring tapes and scales, while we're at it.

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#7233204 - 03/01/12 10:00 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
BrandoA Offline
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Registered: 06/09/11
Posts: 1315
Loc: Marble Falls
Don't get those cloth tapes!!! I had one that was off 2" once and it cost me. Those Berkley scales are pretty good. Checked mine here at the office and it was within 2oz of our certified mail scale.

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#7233317 - 03/01/12 10:24 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
Holzer Offline
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Registered: 11/09/03
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Originally Posted By: duff1
Tell you what, podnah. Let's go in together on a 12 year note for a striper rig with a top-of-the-line shad tank, dedicate our Saturdays to catching and hauling in bait from somewhere, and then we can go out on Sundays and catch us some of these 3 pound stripers. Well, I don't know, though. On second thought, that sounds more like hard work than fun.


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#7233614 - 03/01/12 11:41 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Holzer]
duff1 Offline
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Loc: Central Texas
"Whadda ya mean them shad is dead?"

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#7233753 - 03/01/12 12:20 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: duff1]
Holzer Offline
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Loc: Roanoke, Texas
Someone had to come in last place. I guess I just got my turn out of the way as fast as I could rolleyes
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#7234901 - 03/01/12 05:35 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Registered: 11/04/03
Posts: 376
Loc: The Republic of Texas
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Edited by doctorxring (03/03/12 06:45 PM)

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#7234939 - 03/01/12 05:47 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
duff1 Offline
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Loc: Central Texas
What's that, 24 and a half? Congratulations.

We don't need no stinkin' shad.

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#7236256 - 03/01/12 10:09 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
Holzer Offline
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Registered: 11/09/03
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Loc: Roanoke, Texas
It's been fun rock
Holzer out

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#7236821 - 03/02/12 05:42 AM Re: Canyon lake [Re: Holzer]
duff1 Offline
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Registered: 03/12/06
Posts: 760
Loc: Central Texas
The pics were a hoot. Good luck on Buchanan.

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#7292003 - 03/15/12 08:09 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
MSFish Offline
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Registered: 03/15/12
Posts: 1
When will the white bass start running up river?

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#7292694 - 03/15/12 10:21 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
doctorxring Offline
Angler

Registered: 11/04/03
Posts: 376
Loc: The Republic of Texas
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If they are going to run at all, they should already be there.

If I could get in anywhere closer than Tom Creek I would
be there this week. But with this wind I'm not gonna.

Next week maybe, or next year likely.
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#7300322 - 03/17/12 10:31 PM Re: Canyon lake [Re: grout-scout]
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Went out today. Was able to get to the first set of rapids. Was able to see a few smaller fish in the clear spots. Saw a few folks pulling in some with minnows on the bottom, but didnt see any full stringers. The guys with john boats and kayaks were able to up river further. Not sure how they were doing.
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