Duff, stripers? I fished (bass fished) by the dam, comal park, that island in the middle, never graphed anything! You graph them in the same place that you graphed them last time? You launch at Potters? Man I can't believe how low the lake is, wonder how long Potters can stay open before the ramps out of water. Wow what a rambling post I just typed?
The lake is only 10 feet low not bad during a drought. The striper have been active in the morning and late afternoon try down rigging a 3/4 glow striper jig 30-50 feet around the dam area and Jacobs Creek cove. Went out about a week ago fished the point at north park and dam on the rock in 10-15 feet drop shotting a disco violet super fluke jr and a pearl blue shad Devils Spear caught 9 nothing really big just solid fish.
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Anybody got any idea what that big concrete structure is they've built on the northwest corner of Crane's Mill Park? Looks like it's about 8'x8', and will extend into the water at full pool. Maybe to anchor a walkway to a floating dock?
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Originally Posted By: duff1
Anybody got any idea what that big concrete structure is they've built on the northwest corner of Crane's Mill Park? Looks like it's about 8'x8', and will extend into the water at full pool. Maybe to anchor a walkway to a floating dock?
I didn't noticed anything like that few weeks back when i was there for tournament. Anyways never caught a [censored] at that lake got skunked big time.
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If you were headed back to the main lake from the public fishing pier, it would be on your right, before you round the end of Crane's Mill Park. It's huge, and it's been there for a year or so.
Some trivia I thought interesting: Crane's (Americanized from Crain's) Mill was a settlement of some 25 souls, with a store, school and rowdy dance hall before it sank beneath the waters. The "mill" milled shingles from Cypress, before the Civil War.
Only confirmed masochists fish Canyon for largemouth.
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Originally Posted By: duff1
If you were headed back to the main lake from the public fishing pier, it would be on your right, before you round the end of Crane's Mill Park. It's huge, and it's been there for a year or so.
Some trivia I thought interesting: Crane's (Americanized from Crain's) Mill was a settlement of some 25 souls, with a store, school and rowdy dance hall before it sank beneath the waters. The "mill" milled shingles from Cypress, before the Civil War.
Only confirmed masochists fish Canyon for largemouth.
That pier was closed we fished from the bank for cats . Few other participants got some nice strippers hooked one of their rods was broken into pieces when a stripper was hooked on LoL.
If you were headed back to the main lake from the public fishing pier, it would be on your right, before you round the end of Crane's Mill Park. It's huge, and it's been there for a year or so.
Some trivia I thought interesting: Crane's (Americanized from Crain's) Mill was a settlement of some 25 souls, with a store, school and rowdy dance hall before it sank beneath the waters. The "mill" milled shingles from Cypress, before the Civil War.
Only confirmed masochists fish Canyon for largemouth.
#7111258 - 01/30/1206:23 PMRe: Canyon lake
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Originally Posted By: parttime
Originally Posted By: duff1
If you were headed back to the main lake from the public fishing pier, it would be on your right, before you round the end of Crane's Mill Park. It's huge, and it's been there for a year or so.
Some trivia I thought interesting: Crane's (Americanized from Crain's) Mill was a settlement of some 25 souls, with a store, school and rowdy dance hall before it sank beneath the waters. The "mill" milled shingles from Cypress, before the Civil War.
Only confirmed masochists fish Canyon for largemouth.
I did notice that, not sure what the heck it is.
If you talking about the one next to the boat launch that is made for a courtesy dock to be attached to it.
Now if there is another one closer to the point where the river bends into the lake then it could be another fishing pier or dock, which would be a very nice addition if we ever get some water back in that lake.
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No, the structure I'm talking about is several hundred yards north of the ramp, well inside the park, near the end of Crane's Mill Point. Perhaps I have the compass directions confused. I'm thinking of the park as running north and south. And I'm not real clear on how long this big rectangle of concrete has been there. Can't see it on Google Earth.
Yes Duff, there weren't too many down by the dam (only saw 2 boats in 2 hours). I was thinking the water would be clearer up there so those Canyon monsters might bite my jig better.
No, the structure I'm talking about is several hundred yards north of the ramp, well inside the park, near the end of Crane's Mill Point. Perhaps I have the compass directions confused. I'm thinking of the park as running north and south. And I'm not real clear on how long this big rectangle of concrete has been there. Can't see it on Google Earth.
Yup, out towards the point, that is the one I saw too.
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Now, would you believe anyone could be so insensitive as to covertly approach panfish anglers, some of them proud holders of state records, and inquire where he might net some "perch," to be used as bait in a striper tournament?
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Yes, I saw the big concrete block. All that came to my mind is that it's going to be another improvement in the attempt to draw paying campers to the Cranes Mill Park. If it's part of a fishing pier it might not work 'cause there's shallow water for 75 ft all around it. Why don't they open the launch ramp? Am I the only one who wants to launch there?
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Well, if they're going to build a fishing pier there, I think they could extend it out into some reasonably deep water, maybe even get it to the edge of the channel. I don't look for any benefit to day use anglers to come from all this. Their intention is to convert Cranes Mill Park into a camping facility like Potters Creek, with RV hookups and whatnot.
I took a close look at that ramp the other day. You can see old bloodweeds sticking up from the water just a couple of feet from where the ramp enters the water. I surmise this marks the end of the ramp. If so, it's going to take an awful lot of water for it to become usable again.
Now, would you believe anyone could be so insensitive as to covertly approach panfish anglers, some of them proud holders of state records, and inquire where he might net some "perch," to be used as bait in a striper tournament?
Who would do a thing like that! He should be:
Well, I think it is only you who is IMPLYING that guy would be using the perch for a striper tournament. Maybe he just wants to relocate them to a pond or something?
Edited by Holzer (01/31/1209:35 AM) Edit Reason: Just added some more....
#7113561 - 01/31/1209:53 AMRe: Canyon lake
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Their intention is to convert Cranes Mill Park into a camping facility like Potters Creek, with RV hookups and whatnot.
Maybe so, but if someone does attempt to do that then they haven't done their homework, and would be leaving themselves open to a whole bunch of misery since that entire park is pretty much under the flood plane, except for an area around the fishing pier and the area between where the pay booth sits now.
That I believe is what finally killed that park in the first place, back when we had those big floods a few years back. Those few times the lake flooded over the park and killed most (hundreds) of the oaks, and left the park under water for a few weeks should rule out any idea of setting up any kind of permanent facilities I would think.
You never know though, and some investers from out of town don't care about the long haul, but just, what can I do to make money now?
I can think of no better way of relocating perch than inside the stomach of a big striper.
Now here is a nice guy. Always thinking about another fish and sharing the wealth. Duff, how about you try to follow Brandon in sharing the wealth by calling me to talk about this lake they call Canyon in more detail? It will be your good deed for the day....
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Actually, I think it's a case of our tax dollars at work. The COE has been quite secretive about these "renovations," but a little Googling took me to an environmental impact statement (2006, as I recall) for that new Comal County ramp at the end on North Cranes Mill Road. The plans for Cranes Mill Park were discussed there. They do plan to make it an oasis for RV campers and, far as I can tell, no outside "venture capital" is involved.
Actually, I think it's a case of our tax dollars at work. The COE has been quite secretive about these "renovations," but a little Googling took me to an environmental impact statement (2006, as I recall) for that new Comal County ramp at the end on North Cranes Mill Road. The plans for Cranes Mill Park were discussed there. They do plan to make it an oasis for RV campers and, far as I can tell, no outside "venture capital" is involved.
They must have heard that the TSA was coming to town and wanted to get ready for those guys, (oh how did one guy here on the forum put it) "with all those big expensive boats"...
#7114134 - 01/31/1211:59 AMRe: Canyon lake
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Originally Posted By: duff1
Actually, I think it's a case of our tax dollars at work. The COE has been quite secretive about these "renovations," but a little Googling took me to an environmental impact statement (2006, as I recall) for that new Comal County ramp at the end on North Cranes Mill Road. The plans for Cranes Mill Park were discussed there. They do plan to make it an oasis for RV campers and, far as I can tell, no outside "venture capital" is involved.
Personally I'd rather they extended some high and dry boat ramps with my tax dollars, and I know TSA would appreciate that as well.
COE has parks and ramps all around the lake they can't keep up with and maintain let alone, build one for campers and RV's.
Actually, I think it's a case of our tax dollars at work. The COE has been quite secretive about these "renovations," but a little Googling took me to an environmental impact statement (2006, as I recall) for that new Comal County ramp at the end on North Cranes Mill Road. The plans for Cranes Mill Park were discussed there. They do plan to make it an oasis for RV campers and, far as I can tell, no outside "venture capital" is involved.
Personally I'd rather they extended some high and dry boat ramps with my tax dollars, and I know TSA would appreciate that as well.
COE has parks and ramps all around the lake they can't keep up with and maintain let alone, build one for campers and RV's.
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I dont know if stocking it would do any good. There is no structure in the lake. With the highland lakes (Travis) they at least have docks, and that fishery is by far greater than Canyon.
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I don't think COE stock fish anywhere. It's TP&W that normally does stockings and we know how much money they have. They don't have enough to take care of all the State Parks much less stocking program. Next thing you know the catch limits will get changed to protect what's left like they tend to do for saltwater species. All I can say is protect what's left.
I can think of no better way of relocating perch than inside the stomach of a big striper.
Now here is a nice guy. Always thinking about another fish and sharing the wealth. Duff, how about you try to follow Brandon in sharing the wealth by calling me to talk about this lake they call Canyon in more detail? It will be your good deed for the day....
How in the world can a guy who grew up 35 miles from Canyon Lake not know anything about it? Do we have a hustler in the crowd?
#7116470 - 01/31/1209:01 PMRe: Canyon lake
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Holzer, the only few spots I know of on Canyon that have been hot, and this is going back from past reports and experience is around the dam and the submerged humps out in from of the dam, and around the Island.
Also Jacobs creek arm directly across from the Ft. Sam retreat was producing last spring pretty good.
Then back up the lake around the bend at Craines Mill park going into the mouth of the river.
Look for the shad, and the whites, and you'll find the stripers.
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The action will be upriver a ways come 2/25. You can avoid most of the stumps if you stay on plane, but pay close attention to your GPS chart. It will give you interesting suggestions about the location of the channel.
My buddy Larry tells me them cottages (travel trailers, actually) they rent out in the Fort Sam Rec area is super nice.
They sound nice. I'm looking forward to the stay. There are some that we will stay at that are host to the TSA that are.... well, I'll just say that I would not! invite momma and the kids
I did stay at the Fort Sam rec. park once when I was a kid. I couldn't tell you a thing about the cabin, park, facilities, etc. But I'll never forget walking up on a party that was going on just in time to see a bet take place.
One guy bet another that he could break a beer bottle over his head. This dude beat him self to a bloody pulp before that bottle broke. I mean he was bleeding like a old school Rick Flair wrestling match act. He kept pushing people off who were trying to get him to stop and just kept whacking him self in the head with that bottle. That's the only thing I remember about the place.
Just for grins I might have to find some young guy who is "feeling good" and bet him $20 that he can't break a bottle over his head just so that I can relive the experience
I can think of no better way of relocating perch than inside the stomach of a big striper.
Now here is a nice guy. Always thinking about another fish and sharing the wealth. Duff, how about you try to follow Brandon in sharing the wealth by calling me to talk about this lake they call Canyon in more detail? It will be your good deed for the day....
How in the world can a guy who grew up 35 miles from Canyon Lake not know anything about it? Do we have a hustler in the crowd?
Well, first of all I did not grow up 35 miles from the lake. I was like 35.7 miles so get your facts right!
Dad was never into fishing so we never went. The Guadalupe crossing at the 474 bridge was much closer if we ever wanted to go hang out in the water. Dad now loves to fish. But then again when I say "fish" I mean reel in the fish. Everything outside of that is all me.
Next weekend Team Bustin Loose will be on a recon mission searching for the exclusive Canyon Stripers. We will be bringing two boats to cover more water.
Next weekend Team Bustin Loose will be on a recon mission searching for the exclusive Canyon Stripers. We will be bringing two boats to cover more water.
I heard of a guy who sales breakfast tacos on the water. Be careful. You know those S.A. guys like peppers
John once you start chasing stripers all others become a thing of the past. With the exception of Reds.
I don't know, I do get bored with trolling. But I want to give it a try.
Trolling Not all of us troll. I might have to do a "power drift" if there is no wind but no trolling for Team Jawbreaker. Well, more like hardly ever.
And yes, the TSA is lot of fun with some very shady characters. Not going to say any names like Brandon, Greg, Louis, Alan, George, Shannon, Shawn, Curtis, Earnie, Trent, etc. Ya, I'm not mentioning any names......
John everybody fishes for them different. Myself I try not to limit myself. I will live bait, jig, and use downriggers when neccessary. But it is hard to beat live shadmost times of the year.
Very interesting, here I thought all you guys did was drag around downriggers. Learn something new every day. For me shad are hard to keep alive, once I put them on the hook, they die.
John how are you hooking them? I like to use Mustad Light wire hooks and hook them through the eyes or nose. You have to have healthy bait first though.
So you drift fish for Stripers? Huh, I thought everyone was down rigging. So I assume then that you use bait, live or does it matter?
+1 to what Brandon said. Lots of different ways but most use live bait.
For me: I'm a live bait guy. Either on anchor or on the drift. Just depends on what the fish are doing and where they are hanging out.
Over the last year or two, I've learned how important "live" is. Just because they are swiming around in the tank doesn't mean that they are "lively". Theres a difference between live and lively. Stripers like baits that are lively.
I'll use lures if I need to. My lure collection consist of two kinds. Swim bait (sassy shad) and a slab.
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Originally Posted By: Holzer
Originally Posted By: parttime
So you drift fish for Stripers? Huh, I thought everyone was down rigging. So I assume then that you use bait, live or does it matter?
+1 to what Brandon said. Lots of different ways but most use live bait.
For me: I'm a live bait guy. Either on anchor or on the drift. Just depends on what the fish are doing and where they are hanging out.
Over the last year or two, I've learned how important "live" is. Just because they are swiming around in the tank doesn't mean that they are "lively". Theres a difference between live and lively. Stripers like baits that are lively.
I'll use lures if I need to. My lure collection consist of two kinds. Swim bait (sassy shad) and a slab.
What kind of live baits do you prefer ? I yet have to learn fishing for stripers.
What kind of live baits do you prefer ? I yet have to learn fishing for stripers.
You know, that's kind of a hard question for me to answer right now because I'm on the fence. I've always felt that threadfin are better. But after fishing the TSA for the first time last year, it seemed that gizzards produced really well. And those bigger gizz's help keep those smaller fish off.
Reguardless, it's probably a good thing to have a little of both in the tank if you can. But man-o-man can those gizzards mess up a tank!
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It's freaking hard to find gizzards this time of year at lakes like canyon. I have had some luck at calaveras finding gizzard shads and at lake dunlap or mcqueeny.
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Nice those are some good bait fish also nice crappies never caught those either . Well i am mostly bank fishing since i have no boat . I am planning to make a trip out there with a buddy will see if we can find any shads around there.
I have always prefered threadfins or yellowtails but gizzards are very good as well.
I am hoping I will have some supernova fishing lights before the Canyon tournament and will be able to draw some shad in. If not 3-4" perch will be in the tank.
I've never tried minnow or goldfish. Personally I probably wouldn't even think about it unless it was spring and the fish were up in the shallows. Fishing open water 30ft down, I'm not sure that a school of minnows or goldfish would be common. Therefore, not a "food source" for stripers in that environment. Not saying that it wouldn't work. I'd just rather try to go with something that they are eating on. As a comparisson, it makes me think of when using lures they say match your lure to the size of the bait.
Perch, I've tried but I haven't ever caught anything on a perch yet. Perch are one of the hardest things for me to get out of the bait tank. Those are the fastes swiming little boogers and they must have great eyesight. They can see that net coming towards their head from a mile away!
So you drift fish for Stripers? Huh, I thought everyone was down rigging. So I assume then that you use bait, live or does it matter?
+1 to what Brandon said. Lots of different ways but most use live bait.
For me: I'm a live bait guy. Either on anchor or on the drift. Just depends on what the fish are doing and where they are hanging out.
Over the last year or two, I've learned how important "live" is. Just because they are swiming around in the tank doesn't mean that they are "lively". Theres a difference between live and lively. Stripers like baits that are lively.
I'll use lures if I need to. My lure collection consist of two kinds. Swim bait (sassy shad) and a slab.
So if your fishing on anchor what kind of rig do you use for live bait? Hope you don't mind me asking, but I'm curious now. I used to try and keep my shad alive as long as I could before using them when catfishing but I found it works just as well to throw them from the net to ice. BTW, I was hooking them through the eyes or mouth like mentioned, but they seem to die quick. heck, most seem dead once they drop out of the net.
#7119488 - 02/01/1205:18 PMRe: Canyon lake
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Most serious striper fishermen spend money on a commercial made baitwell with all the latest bells and whistles to keep shad frisky and alive, but most of us who don't chase stripers around the state do with what we have and that's an ice chest and cheap air pump we pickup down at academy. They work fairly good with minnows and perch, so I'd learn toward using perch for bait.
I use a 2oz egg sinker, with a 2ft leader. Longer leader or heavier/lighter weight depending on conditions.
I've never hooked my shad through the eyes. But if I were, I would make sure to push the hook through towards the front of the eye socket and not the eyes.
When fishing "down" I hook my shad through the nose.
Going through the lips where the hook is passing through the opening of the mouth is a sure sentence to the fish grave. Fish need water to pass through the mouth and past the gills to breath. So if you cover that very small opening with a hook, then you're restricting the amount of O2 that fish can get. They're already stressed out because they have a hook in their face. No need to cut their oxygen off also.
I drift with live perch and catch them quite consistently. I'll also drop down 2 spoons and just let them bob with the boat action as we rock along. I'm always surprised at how many I pick up on those 2 rods.
When you guys drift, you not dragging the weights on the bottom right? I assume you determine the depth to put the bait at based on where you graph the fish.
Live bait? Anchoring up? Drifting? Hoo knowed? Man, I hope these stick-in-the-mud Canyon anglers are paying attention.
We're just entertaining the crowd until "the expert" chimes in. Mr. Duff, I have my note pad and pen ready when ever you're ready to spill a little info.
All through PM of course. No need to bore this crowd with such technical detail....
As long as Team Bustin loose catches the 2 biggest stripers out of that 66 I will be happy!!!
Well, theres more people fishing than just you so that means that you need to share. So this is what we're going to do. I'll let you catch the 2 biggest fish on Friday the 24th and I'll catch the 2 biggest fish on Saturday the 25th. Ya, that sounds fair...
No, I don't mind. You go first. I'm a nice guy by nature. It doesn't bother me.
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Man oh Man. I fish Canyon and love it. Very-very seldom do I go and not catch fish. My personal best is 6.5 small mouth. (estiamted to be 14 years old) and 4 lb Walleye and 5.5 black. Along with a basket load of striper and whites. Bottom line is, you just have to learn how to fish it. It took me 5 years to learn how to fish the lake and now, I have confidenence that I will catch fish on that lake year around.........
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You gentlemen want to share with us your theory on why reports about catching stripers on Canyon are such a rarity? I know you've got one.
Here's the deal on bait goldfish (and they aren't gold): They will stay alive and vigorous, in the heat of the summer, at depths of 60 ft., even more. They're kind of pricey, though.
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Use Black Salty's..they are hearty sum bitches. I only share this info because I need y'all to catch all the damn stripers out of this lake. Perhaps that would help the LMB population.
Listen TuN3R, I'm the only guy who will buy you a few cold beverages on this TFF. This is the kind of stuff that you should send to only me through PM. We need to work on this
This must have been a long time ago. They haven't stocked them since 1985 and they didn't survive long. I used to catch them in northern NM and up in MI. Good fighting fish and great eating.
Back in the olden days, when trolling for walleye with my grandpa up in northern NM we used "Pink Ladys" I was surprised to see they still made them and a line that had colored sections to tell how much line was out. So, how do you guys tell now how much line you have out, without downriggers?
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That colored line's a new one on me, unless you mean lead core line, which changes color every ten yards. You can get down 20-30 ft. with it, but it's like fishing with a brick tied to your line. I use Jet Divers and Davis Fish Seekers for deep trolling. Each time the line runs across the spool= 8 ft. (You can also mark your line.) Just got me an Abu line counter reel, which seems like a sweet piece of equipment.
For me, the easiest way is to 1st find an area that is fairly clear of stumps, trees and such. Then, start traveling at the speed you want to troll at. Let line out by counting the pulls or just a general count of time. Once you touch bottom, then you know the relation to speed/count of line out you need to reach that depth.
As an example: Your in 25ft. Start moving the boat at the speed you want to troll at. Let's just say 3mph for this example. Start letting line out. Counting: 1 mississippi, 2 miss, 3 miss, etc. After everty two counts or so you'll need to hold the spool for a bit so that you can start pulling that lure. At count 17, you hold the spool and start dragging your lure and you fill it bouncing off the bottom.
Then you know, moving the boat at 3mph, letting line out for a count of 17, and trolling with this lure will get it down approx. 25ft.
Then write it down somewhere so that you never have to do that again.
I'm not a troller but before I had the boat I have now I used to do it alot. The example above is how I do it. Brandon or someone else may chime in here with a much better technique. I just gave you an example of one way to find out without the "fancy equipment".
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And just to give the pot a stir myself, pay no attention to those who sing the praises of the "Hell-Pet" rig. If you rig it so as to get some serious depth from it, with a bell sinker, it will wear you out trying to get it back to the boat.
I have a very simple approach. I use the thats about right method when free line trolling. I never used the hell-pet combo but do freeline DD22's. I let out approx 100ft or so of line. With 20-30lb braid the DD22's will dive approx 23-25ft.
#7126670 - 02/03/1210:04 AMRe: Canyon lake
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And just to give the pot a stir myself, pay no attention to those who sing the praises of the "Hell-Pet" rig. If you rig it so as to get some serious depth from it, with a bell sinker, it will wear you out trying to get it back to the boat.
That reminded me of my chunkin and windin days!
Canyon has had it's up's and down's when it comes to stripers, but many years back there was some fast surface action right at the point in the main lake at the mouth of Tom Creek.
Back then I threw a humongous 10" rapala type stick bait, and ripped it on the surface over those big surfacing stripers, and caught and landed some pretty nice ones.
And just to give the pot a stir myself, pay no attention to those who sing the praises of the "Hell-Pet" rig. If you rig it so as to get some serious depth from it, with a bell sinker, it will wear you out trying to get it back to the boat.
That reminded me of my chunkin and windin days!
Canyon has had it's up's and down's when it comes to stripers, but many years back there was some fast surface action right at the point in the main lake at the mouth of Tom Creek.
Back then I threw a humongous 10" rapala type stick bait, and ripped it on the surface over those big surfacing stripers, and caught and landed some pretty nice ones.
Just thinking about it makes my arms ache.
Jimbo this fall on Buchanan we got into some great topwater action. One morning we followed a school on top for almost 3 miles. I don't know how many we caught that morning.
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They were coming to the top early this fall in Comal Cove, not far from the Island. Nothing real big, though. When they get going, even the small ones will try to play with a Zara Superspook.
The problem with trolling crankbaits is that they don't mix with brush too well. Speaking of which, if you go to the website of the Comal County Historical Association, you will find there somewhere 46 color slides taken as the dam was being constructed. This gives you a feel for the areas that had been cleared for pasture, and the wooded areas (primarily along the channel.)
This is a great thread guys, got me itching to try for some stripers again. I say again because about two years ago I got the bug and we tried trolling the dam area and didn't catch anything. After that I ran back to my catfish.
John I would bet Canyon would be a dynamite night time lake trolling. With all the recreation boaters during the summer months I bet those stripers come out at night. Seems that way on Buchanan anyways.
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Not sure this would be the best time of year for it. I expect Hendo will let drop when the "bite is on."
Back before the Great Flood, there was a guy who used to anchor up and spend the night next to the dam. He caught some big ones downlining with live bait beneath his green lights. I've never heard stripers on top at night, though. I'm not sure the shad are there for them to chase. The biologists claim that the microscopic creatures shad feed on are attracted to light, and when it goes, they sink down out of reach, causing the shad to hole up in brush and rocks where they aren't so vulnerable. The accounts of this phenomenon aren't terribly consistent. I do recall that Bill Dance claims to have won a tournament by following the threadfins out of the brush to open water every morning.
#7127625 - 02/03/1201:43 PMRe: Canyon lake
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I usually always stay at the Ft. Sam retreat and remember hearing of that guy fishing near the dam, and I believe he was launching out of Ft. Sam and that is how I found out about it.
My memory isn't so great but I think it was April or early May I would go out well before daylight and go around the bend toward the dam and sit adrift just off the point about a hundred yards from the bank and just listen.
You could hear the shad and stripers breaking water but you couldn't see them, and I would troll toward the sound using my troll motor, and as I got closer to the sound I would cast as far as I could and then all H#)) would break loose.
It's hard to do on a weekend though, with just too much boat traffic, and now even during the week it probably wouldn't work too well either.
It's a popular lake and about the only one in the area besides Braunig and Calaveras that still has a little water left in it.
This has been fun reading. If y'all can remember that far back we caught the devil out of those fish last summer. Yes`we were Down rigging,and trust me parttime there is nothing boring about down rigging Canyon Lake on Sat. with about 100 Boats, wakeboarders and jet fleas. Not counting divers and the bass fisherman that thinks because he got to the hump first he owns the lake. For the most part we tried to get there early but sometimes the fish wouldn't look at the clock and feed when we thought they should. Not all of us are lucky like duff and get to fish during the week. Come on retirement. wish I could be out there with you guy's on the 25th but working Rodeo maybe next time
BTW, for anyone staying at Fort Sam rec area, I'd call and ask if the ramp is open. Last time we had the lake down like this, the ramp was unusable.
I'll be staying there. Its my understanding that the ramp is open. But you never really know until you see for your self. Unless the hosting site is close to Fort Sam, we'll have to travel to the hosting site for captains meeting and launch tourney morning anyways.
#7130784 - 02/04/1211:06 AMRe: Canyon lake
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BTW, for anyone staying at Fort Sam rec area, I'd call and ask if the ramp is open. Last time we had the lake down like this, the ramp was unusable.
I'll be staying there. Its my understanding that the ramp is open. But you never really know until you see for your self. Unless the hosting site is close to Fort Sam, we'll have to travel to the hosting site for captains meeting and launch tourney morning anyways.
The ramp won't be a problem even if it's closed.
Just go out the gate and turn left, and turn left again right after you pass the chainlink fence around the boat dealership on the left before the intersection, and follow the sign to the boat ramp. That ramp has never been closed even during the lakes lowest level and it's within sight of the fishing pier/marina at the retreat, and it's free.
You can then have someone drive the trailer back to camp or park it in the Ft. Sam marina parking lot and beach your boat.
Question: Up here in the DFW, the boat ramps that are free you usually stay away from, because when you get back to the ramp IF your truck is still there, it is usually broke in to. Are the "free" ramps at canyon the same kind of seniero?
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I have never had any problems at all while parked at the ramps at Canyon. The areas are fairly safe and I have never seen or heard of any problems. Just my
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i have never had one problem with my truck at a ramp. we have pulled several all nighters over the years and never worry about the truck. (not sayin it won't happen tomm) the county sherrif's usually have a good presence around the lake.
Same here, I have used Jacobs creek ramp (one near Fort Sam Rec) and never had an issue other than a lot of people not knowing how to back a boat or to load it before getting on the ramp. It is a looonnnggg ramp. Free ramps get real crowded on Canyon.
So, what is the "best" time of year to try for these stripers?
i have never had one problem with my truck at a ramp. we have pulled several all nighters over the years and never worry about the truck. (not sayin it won't happen tomm) the county sherrif's usually have a good presence around the lake.
True that! We'll all prob get our tires & tools stolen next time we go since we all feel pretty safe there .
#7133855 - 02/05/1209:38 AMRe: Canyon lake
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It really doesn't make much difference nowdays on which lake you launch at, or whether it be a park where you pay, or a free ramp, there is always going to be those opportunist thieves who are looking for something of value and know that you are nowhere around when they see an empty trailer, and no boats around.
Anywhere around Canyon is fairly safe, and by that I mean there isn't your typical "Hot Spots" where numerous breakins or vandals have frequented, and the neighborhoods around there haven't turned getto with graffiti for the most part, and people keep a close watch on what goes on, but you stil will have your cruisers looking for an easy target.
Just keep your vehicle locked and don't leave valuables or stuff in the open that they can see.
That said, I wouldn't worry about it during the day, but you might be pushing your luck leaving your truck parked over night on some, not all of those free ramps.
When you guys drift, I assume your using drift socks, correct?
Just depends on wind and how fast your boat drifts. Other times also depends on the fish. At times, if you drift at a faster pace "pulling that bait by the fish" you can get a reaction strike.
That's just one of those "just depends" questions.
So when's the TSA scouting party going to be reporting? I expect they'll be teaching the greybeards some new tricks.
Team Jawbreaker will be in town the evening of the 22nd and on the water the 23rd and 24th. I'm not sure yet how much time I'll get on the water on the 23rd and 24th but hope that I can formulate some kind of idea as to where to fish on the 25th.
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The problem with trolling crankbaits is that they don't mix with brush too well. Speaking of which, if you go to the website of the Comal County Historical Association, you will find there somewhere 46 color slides taken as the dam was being constructed. This gives you a feel for the areas that had been cleared for pasture, and the wooded areas (primarily along the channel.)
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Yes, and they will be on the humps, points and drop-offs, except when they're not.
I know, I know, we're a sorry lot.
Glad you enjoyed the pics, John. You and your girlfriend have any luck the other day? You should be able to pick up a few whites up around the first bend, if this little cool spell hasn't given them lockjaw.
Are any of the Canyon regulars planning to come to the TSA weigh in for a meet and greet? I guess it would be a good time to see if these "outsiders" can come to town and figure out how to catch a few within a day. Reguardless, it's always good to put a face with the screen name. You can find me easy at the TSA weigh in. I'm the only good looking one...
#7149924 - 02/08/1211:31 PMRe: Canyon lake
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Are any of the Canyon regulars planning to come to the TSA weigh in for a meet and greet? I guess it would be a good time to see if these "outsiders" can come to town and figure out how to catch a few within a day. Reguardless, it's always good to put a face with the screen name. You can find me easy at the TSA weigh in. I'm the only good looking one...
I really hope you guys do well, and please, please post results and some pictures would be nice.
Striper fishing on Canyon has not recovered from the days of pre flood when the water went over the spillway for the first time in it's history several years back, and some of the guides that used to report have either stopped guiding or have gone under the radar, but I really have heard little about the striper fishing and I haven't personally caught anything to brag about in quite a few years either.
You hotshots (respectfully) better do your stuff, and lets see some pictures!
Are any of the Canyon regulars planning to come to the TSA weigh in for a meet and greet? I guess it would be a good time to see if these "outsiders" can come to town and figure out how to catch a few within a day. Reguardless, it's always good to put a face with the screen name. You can find me easy at the TSA weigh in. I'm the only good looking one...
I really hope you guys do well, and please, please post results and some pictures would be nice.
Striper fishing on Canyon has not recovered from the days of pre flood when the water went over the spillway for the first time in it's history several years back, and some of the guides that used to report have either stopped guiding or have gone under the radar, but I really have heard little about the striper fishing and I haven't personally caught anything to brag about in quite a few years either.
You hotshots (respectfully) better do your stuff, and lets see some pictures!
I remember that flood. Didn't the dam almost break? It is going to be tough I suppose but it only takes the right 2 bites 2 fish to win. I am really excited about getting out there this weekend to pre-fish. Love fishing new water.
Dont take to many out! Leave some for the rest of us when y'all are done. We are going to medina the next couple of weekends so wont be up there to see all the little feeches yall bring in. But please do post up pics.
Are any of the Canyon regulars planning to come to the TSA weigh in for a meet and greet? I guess it would be a good time to see if these "outsiders" can come to town and figure out how to catch a few within a day. Reguardless, it's always good to put a face with the screen name. You can find me easy at the TSA weigh in. I'm the only good looking one...
I really hope you guys do well, and please, please post results and some pictures would be nice.
Striper fishing on Canyon has not recovered from the days of pre flood when the water went over the spillway for the first time in it's history several years back, and some of the guides that used to report have either stopped guiding or have gone under the radar, but I really have heard little about the striper fishing and I haven't personally caught anything to brag about in quite a few years either.
You hotshots (respectfully) better do your stuff, and lets see some pictures!
I'm interested to see how it goes. I hear alot about "the lack of fish" in the lake but when I go to the TPWD website, I see stockcings of striped bass almost every year starting in 1991. Seems to me that there has to be some fish somewhere in that lake.
Not sure what the growth rate of the striped bass is but since then (2002) TPWD has stocked Canyon Lake with over 300,000 striped bass. Now of course, all 300,000 of those fish didn't survive, but still seems to me that there should be some fish in that lake.
I also am currious as to this "can't catch bait" on this lake thing. Why stock with so many striped bass each year if there is a low count of bait fish? I guess, unless that lake is just flat out loaded with perch or crappie.
Holzer I am guessing what makes catching bait so hard is the fact that this lake is extremely clear. Under lights at night I bet a person can catch some. Or at least I am going to try.
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Holzer I am guessing what makes catching bait so hard is the fact that this lake is extremely clear. Under lights at night I bet a person can catch some. Or at least I am going to try.
My guess is because there is none in there. What shad that werent eaten by the starving black bass and striper, were washed over the damn with the black bass and striper in hot pursuit during the Great Flood of '02.
TPWD’s efforts have paid off. The lake-record striper, 38 pounds, was caught in 1997. More typical of Canyon’s striped bass fishery, however, are the 7-pound fish being marked on Nixon’s graph, said Steve Magnelia, Inland Fisheries biologist with TPWD.
Since the department first stocked stripers in Canyon Lake in 1973, more than 2 million of the fish have gone into the lake, most of them fingerling size, about an inch long.
As with any small fish stocked in open waters, the survival rate is minuscule. Survivability of striped bass fingerlings varies from year to year, Magnelia said, and because stripers do not reproduce naturally in the lake, the continued annual stocking efforts have proved to be the most efficient way to sustain the Canyon Lake fishery.
As they grow, the young striper’s diet gradually shifts to gizzard shad, the primary forage species in the lake. With change of diet comes a growth spurt.
“It takes about two or three growing seasons for stripers to (reach) 20 inches,” Magnelia said. Legal keeper size on Canyon is 18 inches.
Striped bass do grow much larger than the Canyon Lake record. The state record of 53 pounds came from the Brazos River in 1999, and there are stripers in that class just below Canyon Dam in the Guadalupe River.
A few striped bass from the lake have gotten into the river, where they have been documented in surveys conducted by Magnelia, who also monitors that stretch of the river as part of his duties.
“We routinely find (stripers) over 20 pounds in the river,” he said, “and there are 30-50 pounders in there.”
Canyon Lake has been stocked with striped bass since 1973 and stockings have continued most years through 2002. The amount of forage fish in Canyon has been a limiting factor in the development of a good striper fishery. Lack of prey has kept numbers of fish stocked below average. Even though numbers of fish are lower than comparable fisheries, fishing pressure is also less and there is a good population of quality fish. ]
#7152776 - 02/09/1204:53 PMRe: Canyon lake
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Found this article dated, June 2011 Striped bass do grow much larger than the Canyon Lake record. The state record of 53 pounds came from the Brazos River in 1999, and there are stripers in that class just below Canyon Dam in the Guadalupe River.
A few striped bass from the lake have gotten into the river, where they have been documented in surveys conducted by Magnelia, who also monitors that stretch of the river as part of his duties.
“We routinely find (stripers) over 20 pounds in the river,” he said, “and there are 30-50 pounders in there.”
Canyon Lake has been stocked with striped bass since 1973 and stockings have continued most years through 2002. The amount of forage fish in Canyon has been a limiting factor in the development of a good striper fishery. Lack of prey has kept numbers of fish stocked below average. Even though numbers of fish are lower than comparable fisheries, fishing pressure is also less and there is a good population of quality fish. ]
What's funny is they fail to mention in that article as to why those stripers caught in the river are 20 pounders and some are in the 30-50 pound range, but the answer is simple.
Trout stockings!
I know several people personally who have caught stripers in the 30 and 40 pound range just below the gates.
The problem with Canyon as mentioned at the end of the article, is there isn't enough forage base in the lake to grow them, and up until the flood in 02 that forage base was pretty strong.
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Do the math, and you'll see that TP&W is stocking Canyon with only a third the number of stripers per acre as Buchanan. The biologists classify Canyon as "oligotrophic," meaning poor in nutrients. This results in a shortage of the microscopic organisms needed for a healthy shad population. But that limestone clear water sure is pretty, isn't it?
I winded myself with the net the other day up river, but finally got some nice, bait sized shad. Two of them, to be exact.
Hey, Hendo, you talking about the stripers you caught on silver spoons, next to the dam?
#7153488 - 02/09/1207:53 PMRe: Canyon lake
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I believe that 80% of the fish are in 20% of the lake here at Canyon.I depend on my electronics a lot. Find them, then try to make them bite. KT lures and Pirk minnows,( If your going artifical.) The lake is low, so there are some tree tops sticking up in 60' water. Some of the points are shallow also, sooo swing wide, if you going around. Hope this helps.
Hey, Hendo, you talking about the stripers you caught on silver spoons, next to the dam?
They're at the dam! They're at the dam!
Well yeah, duh! Didn't you get that pm from me regarding the shopping basket full of stripers I left tied up for you at Lookout Park? Remember I said all I wanted was $500 bucks?
The real reason there are no stripers in Canyon is easy! One word...... Duff, he caught them all.
Oh and just in case anyone of you are taking the basket full of stripers seriously, don't, I was just kidding. What ramp are you fellas weighing in at?
And Cat isn't lying, there are some shallow points!
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Hey, Hendo, you talking about the stripers you caught on silver spoons, next to the dam?
hahaha...is that what I said? LOL. My ol man always taught me if somebody asks where you caught them to say, "I caught em up by the damn on silver spoons".
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Fish Inspector 2/16/2011: "Sweet Hendo, what part of the lake did you find them?"
Hendo: "up by the dam on johnson spoons. . . LOL."
One must be very careful here. There are those who believe Canyonites have engaged in a conspiracy of disinformation to discourage outsiders from sharing in the harvest of this amazingly prolific fishery.
There are those who believe Canyonites have engaged in a conspiracy of disinformation to discourage outsiders from sharing in the harvest of this amazingly prolific fishery.
Google "Duff fishing on Canyon" and you can see how easy it is to catch fish on this lake.
I gave it to a friend of yours. She is a waitress at this restaurant called Tiffanys Cabaret. She said she would give it to you next time she seen you. She looked like a nice gal.
I gave it to a friend of yours. She is a waitress at this restaurant called Tiffanys Cabaret. She said she would give it to you next time she seen you. She looked like a nice gal.
Was she the waitress or the pole dancer . I get them all confused, lol, kidding of course. Never been in that dump hole, I don't think it's even open anymore.?.? Good luck fellas, you are gonna need it.
Hey Duff, I have this funny feeling these guys are going to dump this thread as soon as their tourney is over! But then again the fishing is soooo great they just might come back.
#7155166 - 02/10/1209:21 AMRe: Canyon lake
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Next big thread: Buchaanon. Stay tuned
Hopefully the write up on the TSA Canyon tourney will come out shortly after. With lots of pic of all those 20 pounders of course
You may have to sneak over below the dam if your looking for a 20 pounder, and just make sure you use a lure in a rainbow trout pattern because using the real thing is illegal I believe.
Seriously, I'm looking forward to eating a lot of crow when you guys finish out your tourney.
But never have fished Canyon before. And this weekend for pre-fishing, looks tough. Potters Creek boat ramp is OPEN per park rangers. We will see.Need all the help from Mother Nature we can get.
Today: A chance of showers and thunderstorms before noon, then a slight chance of showers. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 61. North northwest wind between 5 and 15 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph. Chance of precipitation is 50%.
Tonight: Mostly clear, with a low around 36. North northeast wind between 5 and 10 mph.
Saturday: Sunny, with a high near 54. Northeast wind between 10 and 15 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph.
Saturday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low around 33. Northeast wind around 10 mph.
Sunday: A slight chance of showers, then a chance of showers and thunderstorms after noon. Partly sunny, with a high near 46. East wind between 10 and 15 mph. Chance of precipitation is 40%.
Hopefully the write up on the TSA Canyon tourney will come out shortly after. With lots of pic of all those 20 pounders of course
Heck don't know anything about Buchanan But Holzer in your case I will tell you where you can launch. Without Kerry you may get lost and end up in Del Rio or something.
Without Kerry you may get lost and end up in Del Rio or something.
Sadly, that's not all that far from the truth. Last year while driving to the Cedar Creek tournament. I was in Weatherford when I realized that I was driving in the wrong direction. Hopefully I will not miss my exit going to this Canyon Tourney. I've been to the lake before, but this will be the first to go the way I will be traveling. I-35
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Originally Posted By: Holzer
Originally Posted By: BrandoA
Without Kerry you may get lost and end up in Del Rio or something.
Sadly, that's not all that far from the truth. Last year while driving to the Cedar Creek tournament. I was in Weatherford when I realized that I was driving in the wrong direction. Hopefully I will not miss my exit going to this Canyon Tourney. I've been to the lake before, but this will be the first to go the way I will be traveling. I-35
just take the 306 exit and turn right....if you get to New Braunfels you missed the exit. If you are launching at #1 or #2(turkey cove) you will need to turn left on 2673 in Sattler then a right on Island View....follow boat ramp signs from there.
#7156990 - 02/10/1205:36 PMRe: Canyon lake
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Using Hendo's map if you go past the intersection of 2673 and continue straight the next light you can turn left on which is called S. Access road, and it will take you right past the foot of the dam and you will cross the outlet which is where everyone fishes for those trout (and 20+ stripers) and then there is a little honky tonk and RV park.
You might check there if you are still looking for a place to park some RV's.
The name of the place slips my mind and maybe someone can come up with the name of the establishment.
Also if you continue on the S Access rd. it comes out right there at Sattler and take a right at the intersection on 2673 and follow his instructions getting to Turkey cove. If you go straight the S Access road turns into river road and passes all the camps on the Guadalupe below Canyon lake and eventually comes out in New Braunfels so it's kind of a short cut although slower than going all the way back to 306 and backtracking to get to the stores there in New Braunfels which I would recommmend rather than paying the prices there at the lake.
Also I highly recommend if you try that little town of Gruene just off 306 when you make that right turn off I35, go past the RR tracks and intersection, and take a left on Hunter road and it takes you right into Gruene Hall, and try the Grist Mill restaurant right next door, if your looking for a good place to eat out if you get tired of camp food, and the women folk will thank you for taking them since the little town is full of small shops, and just a fun place to spend a few hours.
Thanks for the help Jimbo & Hendo. I'll be staying at the Fort Sam Rec Park. Not sure about tourney morning yet. I hope that there is some beach area that I might be able to rest the nose of the boat on other than rock. The Turkey lodge website said that they had a courtsey dock. Hopefully I can just tie up to that.
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The Turkey Creek ramp is open, but the dock is resting on terra firma. It's pretty rocky all around there. I have seen boats beached in a little cove to the side of the lodge, but the water was much higher then. Might want to have Brando and Ranger scope it out for you.
Ya, Alan told me that it was rocky there and he wouldn't recomend it. As crazy as it sounds, I was looking on google maps and it looks like there is s secondary cove next to the ramp. It crossed my mind to bring some extra rope to run across the cove to tie up to.
I also have a Minn Kota I-Pilot. I could just push the boat off into the water and then hit the anchor lock. But man would that suck if something should go wrong and you loose power, big wind, short, etc. come up.
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You've lost me on the rope business. You could just anchor up in that side cove and swim to the bank.
If you discount for the time it would take to run your boat from the Ft. Sam Rec. area to the Lodge, you shouldn't lose more than 15 minutes by driving. It's not that far.
If you discount for the time it would take to run your boat from the Ft. Sam Rec. area to the Lodge, you shouldn't lose more than 15 minutes by driving. It's not that far.
OK. It looks further on the map I guess.
On that rope thing, I guess I didn't write it out well. What I was referring to was... well never mind
Beautiful lake. Man that water is clear by the damn. Robert caught a new lake record Flathead and we boated another 18lb blue. Lost two more huge cats. As for stripers we picked up a few. They were skinny!!!!
Beautiful lake. Man that water is clear by the damn. Robert caught a new lake record Flathead and we boated another 18lb blue. Lost two more huge cats. As for stripers we picked up a few. They were skinny!!!!
Did you get it on a certified scale? Need that to be a record, there are several of us with certified scales down here. I'll pm my email addy, would like to see the beast!
Did you get it on a certified scale? Need that to be a record, there are several of us with certified scales down here. I'll pm my email addy, would like to see the beast!
Post some pics of that bad boy!!! Guess I need to give up bass fishing over there and try fishing for: crappie, whites, catfish, stripers, carp, gar, perch, minnows.
Did you get it on a certified scale? Need that to be a record, there are several of us with certified scales down here. I'll pm my email addy, would like to see the beast!
Post some pics of that bad boy!!! Guess I need to give up bass fishing over there and try fishing for: crappie, whites, catfish, stripers, carp, gar, perch, minnows.
Are there any tree bass in this lake? When those things hit you think you caught a big one and are all pumped up! For about a second.
Lost many expensive cranks to the infamous and mysterious (also elusive) tree bass! I've hooked many, landed none. Even had one jump up and try to take my lower unit out once.
Thanks! So is there any "go to" spot on Cally? Like at a hot water discharge or something? I'm not wanting to be there long or at the ramp after dark... Should I be concerned about being at the ramp after dark? Don't know anything about the place. Never been.
you can try going to the wall... there is always bait there... make sure you try both sides of it...sometimes they are on the lake side pushed up against the wall... and be scared after dark... well not unless your a puss
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#7174600 - 02/15/1207:56 AMRe: Canyon lake
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While castnetting,if you should catch a black looking creature with extremely long pectoral and dorsal fins and it has a hard shelled armored body don't touch it!
If you touch it, they turn into a Chupacabra and will suck out all your blood!
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Originally Posted By: Jimbo
While castnetting,if you should catch a black looking creature with extremely long pectoral and dorsal fins and it has a hard shelled armored body don't touch it!
If you touch it, they turn into a Chupacabra and will suck out all your blood!
hahaha those sucker fish will mess up the cast net too .
There shouldn't be any issue fishing over the night if you are fishing over 8pm then make sure you paid extra cash LoL their recent changes on fee sucks .
I have always fished till dark once in a while till 3-4am in the morning .
I probably do have that look of being a wuss? I'll have to get in the gym a little more I guess
Thanks again for the all the info on places. Not really looking forward to traveling that far for bait. I hope that I can prove those Canyon guys wrong and find some to catch on Canyon.
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Why, accessing the Guad is no problem at all. You can do that right below the dam. They even have a nice parking area and a concrete stairway for your comfort and convenience.
#7176095 - 02/15/1201:53 PMRe: Canyon lake
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Why, accessing the Guad is no problem at all. You can do that right below the dam. They even have a nice parking area and a concrete stairway for your comfort and convenience.
Maybe it's just me, but it bothered me just a little when someone was throwing a cast net right around where your trying to catch rainbow trout.
Just kidding, but it may be a little too crowded this time of year to do that unless it's at some odd hours of the night.
Why, accessing the Guad is no problem at all. You can do that right below the dam. They even have a nice parking area and a concrete stairway for your comfort and convenience.
I like those shad that have a brownish tint to them with a few speckles on the tail. They are a great bait!
#7181460 - 02/16/1206:18 PMRe: Canyon lake
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Originally Posted By: parttime
They are an invasive species, they have to be eviscerated before they leave the water you catch them on. Then you can do with them as you please.
Yes Talapia are not to be transported live to another body of water as you say.
Don't know what the fine would be, but I've not heard of anyone being caught but I wouldn't want to be the first.
That said, I tried to find it on the TPWD website and I know it's there because I've read it before, but I hate their website because it's so hard to navigate through it and find what you are looking for and it's almost like they make it difficult on purpose since it's a sneaky way for them to make some revenue by keeping the public ignorant.
Possess tilapia, grass carp, or any other fish listed as harmful or potentially harmful, without immediately removing the intestines, except on waters where a valid Triploid Grass Carp Permit is in effect. In those waters, it is illegal to possess grass carp. Any grass carp caught must be immediately returned to the water unharmed.
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Tilapia can cause problems for native flora and fauna in several ways. They will compete with other species for food and can disrupt the ecological balance. Tilapia can also cause turbidity in clear waters since they are fond of digging. Turbidity will reduce the amount of available light in the water, which affects all organisms relying on photosynthesis.
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Haha thanks for clearing up !
I am just wondering if you hit calaveras on summer time every freaking angler out there is fishing with live tilapias . That's why i asked that question.
#7184151 - 02/17/1212:39 PMRe: Canyon lake
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I know it's the law and they want to keep the Talapia out of the rivers and streams where they are not established, but I doubt that they would survive in the cold waters of Canyon Lake.
The reason they are so prolific at Braunig and Calaveras is because of the power plants warm water outlets.
Braunig used to be full of them, but not so much anymore, and one of the reasons they allow the commercial castnetters at Calaveras to help keep them in check.
Well hell, I guess they couldn't make Canyon any worse, might as well let them suckers go free there. Falcon & Amistad are full of them and have big ol bass.
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got 2.5 inches of rain last night and it is still pouring. this is exactly what canyon needs before summer. did a job at the lake yesterday and all the feeder creeks had a little running water in them. good news!
Holzer signing off. Hope to have something good to say after Saturday. If you see me at the weigh in come by and say hi. That is unless I owe you money or dated your sister years ago
Thank you guys for letting me know that the shad in Calaveras is the SORRIEST BAIT known in Texas!
I caught bait in Lewisville on Tuesday afternoon. It bounced around in my tank for 300 miles Wednesday. Fished with that bait Thursday and Friday. Threw out the last few I had Friday afternoon when I caught bait on Cally. All my cally bait was dead by 10 a.m. Sat. morning. Stripers don't like dead bait I caught fish very similar to the 2nd & 3rd place teams on Thursday & Friday. On Saturday, fishing with dead bait - 0 stripers
There was a big 18# fish caught. We caught 3 limits Sat. With the exception of the 18# fatty all the fish were skinny. Its sad that a 21-22" fish weighs only 3lbs.
Thank you guys for letting me know that the shad in Calaveras is the SORRIEST BAIT known in Texas!
I caught bait in Lewisville on Tuesday afternoon. It bounced around in my tank for 300 miles Wednesday. Fished with that bait Thursday and Friday. Threw out the last few I had Friday afternoon when I caught bait on Cally. All my cally bait was dead by 10 a.m. Sat. morning. Stripers don't like dead bait I caught fish very similar to the 2nd & 3rd place teams on Thursday & Friday. On Saturday, fishing with dead bait - 0 stripers
Holzer I wonder if the temperature change caused the death. You should have called I would have given you some shiners.
Thanks Brandon. I learned a few things on this trip. I just may have to do that in the future if that ever happens again. I wished I would have called you more while on the water just to stay in touch. But I was so focused on trying to find something that would work I got a little tunnel vision.
TuN3R, I wanted to. But traveling with family and all, I didn't have as much time as I had planed. I needed to go to a "for sure, not take to long" place rather than to go looking around. If I ever want to catch 200 small threadfin shad in one throw, I know what lake to go to
Next time don't hesitate. Luckly from hear on out catching bait shouldn't be an issue. I was plesantly surprised on how well Jumbo Shiners worked. Great back up bait for sure.
We've been catching 6-8 inch shad on Cally, in the cove of the Deep water ramp, I believe that is what I suggested.
Tried. FULL of 2 inch threads. Tried there, to the left by those docks, straight across next to the trees, and at the mouth of that cove. FuLL, FULL, FULL of 2 in threafin shad.
Most likely. That and once "death" happens in the tank it's a unstoppable train. At 930, I drained my tank, got any dead shad out of it and refilled with lake water. My last 5 shad perked up a little. But still were not worth a dang.
Two weeks ago while pre fishing we somewhere around 40-50 keepers in two days. Sat we caught a 15 keepers and several unders so IMO Canyon wasn't as tough as I anticipated. The fish quality was surprising. I wouldn't have guessed that a 21-23" fish would weigh 2.5-3.25lbs.
#7221046 - 02/27/1203:05 PMRe: Canyon lake
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Jimbo
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Canyon has been stocked heavily over the years so nobody ever said there wasn't enough fish to keep it interesting, it's just that the lake is lacking in forage fish which is the reason for the stripers to be long and skinny as mentioned in the thread, and those Keepers you caught probably should have been larger stripers had they had that forage base.
I just figured that with a big tournament the pro's would prove that point, and they seem to have done that!
It kind of speaks volumes when people are transporting in shad from another lake in an attempt to catch fish, with live bait that Canyon lake should have been able to produce.
I'm not knocking your prowess as a striper angler at all, or anyone who participated, but just making reference to what had been said earlier about the lake since all the inquiries, and I was wishing you guys good luck with what lake you had to work with, and after all, you all seemed to do well.
#7221332 - 02/27/1204:12 PMRe: Canyon lake
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Originally Posted By: BrandoA
Got ya. Yeah I was shocked at how skinny those fish were. Maybe the state needs to start stocking shad.
I believe they tried that already but the lake doesn't have the nutrients to support the plankton, and lower life forms in the food chain to support the shad.
Someone called it the dead sea!....It's not quite that, but it won't ever be a lake Fork or Toledo Bend.
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It is what it is, and it's never been real good. If I'm following the methodology correctly, the two best fish caught by the team taking second place weighed about 8 lbs, and two weighing about 6 lbs. took third. How many anglers per team? Three? Four?
It is what it is, and it's never been real good. If I'm following the methodology correctly, the two best fish caught by the team taking second place weighed about 8 lbs, and two weighing about 6 lbs. took third. How many anglers per team? Three? Four?
It's a "family friendly" association so there is no limit to how many people to a team (that I know of). But most teams are 2 people.
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That reminds me of an ol' boy from Austin I used to run into from time to time out there. He was big on goldfish, and usually did pretty well. He claimed he had to resort to guile to get them because, according to him, pet shops refuse to sell them to you if they know you're using them for bait. He would tell them he was buying them to feed to other fish in his outdoor pond. Apparently, pet shops stock "feeder" goldfish for this very purpose.
You ever notice that sign on N. Cranes Mill Road advertising "feeder mice"? Weird. Maybe some trotliners use them for bait.
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Perhaps those mice would be a better option. See, I'm thinking that, if you hooked them through the nape of the neck, they might look real enticing as they threshed around on top. Might have to train them how to swim first, though.
I changed the water in my tank with the shad I brought with me twice while I was down there. If I had known that the shad out of Cally wouldn't have lasted 24hrs I would have. Goldfish, minnows, shrimp, crawfish, anything but those worthless pieces of %#@& out of calaveras!
We've been buying hybrid bluegill for several years from Fishermans Corner they are a little expensive but they really hold up for drift fishing for stripers or juglining for blue cats. When you need bait a little expense is worth the trouble.
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Loc: Canyon Lake, Texas USA
Originally Posted By: doctorxring
Hey Canyon Lakers
If you wanted to fish the river end of the lake where would you put in ? What ramps are open ?
thanks !
Chris
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Boat ramp #6 might be your closest one right now, but you will have to round the Crane's Mill Park peninsula. It's a bit of haul, but ramps #7 and #8 are closed, as well as the Crane's Mill Park. I believe #6 is your best bet (right now) if you are putting in from the south side of the lake. Steven
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Your best option might depend on whether you have someone to back your trailer down the ramp for you. At the ramp Steve's talking about, on the Tom Creek Arm, someone has placed some old tires in the water, beside the ramp, and it's easy to run your boat up on them and step ashore. The Potters Creek Ramp is a lot closer, but there's nothing but sharp rock on either side of the ramp. The courtesy dock is still afloat, but the walkway has been gated off. Saw a guy the other day tie up to the dock and wade to the bank with hip boots, but that might be the hard way to go about it.
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It's not the cable but the Dock Closed sign that troubles me. Use it at the wrong time and you risk getting a citation. That area is policed. Too, the walkway is pulling loose from where it's anchored at the top.
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Wait minute. Did y'all put in at the ramp inside the Potters Creek camping area? That one is only available to campers. I'm talking about the free ramp, and there's no cable, but a waist high padlocked gate at the top of the walkway with a "Closed" sign on it.
Forgot to mention that one advantage of the Potters Creek ramp is that it takes you by Fishermans Corner, where you can usually find anything you need for fishing.
Duff it might have been a gate. Not really sure cause I was always in the boat. But it was the free one. I never went into Fishermans Corner but Steve said it was nice. Their hours are strange for a bait shop though.
Duffster, don't turn me in but I used the dock also . I crawled under the pipe fence/handrail and I will admit I had a little pucker factor when I saw the walkway bolts broken free from the concrete. I can def. see the liability reasons as to why they shut it down, freaking steep! And yes the thought about the sheriffs dept crossed my mind, so I hurried.
A little explanation on the low weights. We had suspected, and pretty much confirmed Saturday, that our new scale is off quite a bit. Our two fish weighed 6-11 and 4-8 on our electronic scale in the boat. The third place team also mentioned his fish weighed heavier on his scale. The eighteen pounder weighed just that on the first place team's Boga but only pushed 16.14 on the weigh-in scale.
Since Brandon's bad luck with finding a certified scale in the area to weigh his catfish, Team Lone Palm brought one to the tournament. They had a youngster fishing with them and mentioned there were several breakable Jr. records on Canyon. They wanted to make sure they had one.
They certified the 18 pounder and found Piggy Perch and our scales to be pretty much right on. So the real numbers were 11+lbs for second and 9+ for third. That's a reasonable weight for a February tournament on any lake in post-frontal conditions. Capt John took our scale to have it calibrated and certified before the next tournament
Alan and I were fairly impressed with the fish population on Canyon. Yes, we brought bait from Belton, but we do that for every tournament. It's mainly for backup if we can't find it on the tournament lake. In our experience local bait seems to be more effective than transported bait on most lakes.
The Canyon stripers didn't seem to mind at all though. We started catching almost immediately after stopping on our first spot. They moved out after about an hour so we trollmotored accross the river channel to a shallow flat and hit them again. I know we caught over 40 fish from those two spots and went through about 80 shad. We actually only cranked the big motor twice all day. Once at the launch and once to head to the weigh-in.
Congrats again to George Bryant and team Shearwater for that beautiful fish! It was definitely the biggest striper I'd ever laid hands on.
Nice to meet some of you guys. You have a beautiful lake.
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Ok so let me get this strait you guy's did locate and catch fish, even though the were running small. is that right? I am sorry that I could not be out there to meet ya'll but I had a previous function and could not get away, hopefully next time.
Over the three days of fishing we caught over 50 18-25" stripers and probably twice that many throw backs. The largest, based on my digital scale which later checked to be accurate within 2oz, was 5.9lbs. According to our scales our 2 fish should have been around 7bs. But overall I would say the fish were skinny.
Yessir. After studying the map, we had 7 or 8 spots marked to check out Saturday morning. I had never been on the lake and Alan said he hadn't fished it in over 20 years, and then just for crappie and whites.
We stopped and graphed 3 spots and marked some fish at two of them. They didn't look too great and there were other guys in those areas so we continued upriver.
We stopped at a spot where a major creek channel met the river channel and marked a few more fish than we had the previous spots. Since this was the furthest west spot we had marked on the map we decided to drop some baits. We had a pull down almost immediately and boated a 18 1/4" fish. We spent the next hour upgrading and had about six pounds before they shut off.
We moved across the river and started working a flat from about 10' to 25', dragging baits with the trollmotor. Most of the fish we caught there, including the two we weighed, came out of 10'-15'. We stayed there the rest of the day just working up and down the side of the river channel shallow-deeper-shallow.
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Most of the teams were fishing Mystic Point and I believe that is where the big fish was caught. We fished a long ridge just out of Cranes Mill Marina. Most of the fish we caught were in 20-30 ft of water fishing our baits a couple of reels off the bottom. The numbers were there and the length, just not weight nor that one anchor fish.
Mr. G, did y'all catch any decent sized black bass, you know maybe by mistake?
Only one small one, maybe 12". I did mention to Alan that with the surface temp around 58, that shallow flat we were on might get right in a week or so.
We do run into a few greenies from time to time. These Belton fish were all on at the same time and all released.
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Tell you what, podnah. Let's go in together on a 12 year note for a striper rig with a top-of-the-line shad tank, dedicate our Saturdays to catching and hauling in bait from somewhere, and then we can go out on Sundays and catch us some of these 3 pound stripers. Well, I don't know, though. On second thought, that sounds more like hard work than fun.
Don't get those cloth tapes!!! I had one that was off 2" once and it cost me. Those Berkley scales are pretty good. Checked mine here at the office and it was within 2oz of our certified mail scale.
Tell you what, podnah. Let's go in together on a 12 year note for a striper rig with a top-of-the-line shad tank, dedicate our Saturdays to catching and hauling in bait from somewhere, and then we can go out on Sundays and catch us some of these 3 pound stripers. Well, I don't know, though. On second thought, that sounds more like hard work than fun.
Went out today. Was able to get to the first set of rapids. Was able to see a few smaller fish in the clear spots. Saw a few folks pulling in some with minnows on the bottom, but didnt see any full stringers. The guys with john boats and kayaks were able to up river further. Not sure how they were doing.