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#7095225 - 01/26/12 09:23 AM What all can you write off?
Barrett Offline
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Registered: 05/27/09
Posts: 3999
Loc: Denton Texas
I have a meeting with my CPA next week and am trying to get everything togehter. Never really done this before but was hoping I could get some advice from some of yall. THanks in advance.

So far I have:
- Gear etc (Tacklewarehouse, bass pro, cabelas)
- Lodging/hotel 2011.
- Fuel
- All tourney entry fees for 2011.
- Depreciation on tow vehicle and boat????
- Insurance?
- Also blew a lower unit in 2011 but it was covered by Insurance. I guess I could write off the premium? .

am I missing anthing. All help is very much appreciated.
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#7095241 - 01/26/12 09:26 AM Re: What all can you write off? [Re: Barrett]
Sinkey Offline
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Registered: 08/04/06
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I do most through my company. But I have to show it as gas, advertisment, travel, etc. Im not sure what all you can wihtout a company.

Get a hold of Mike Kernan, he is real good and knowledgable about that stuff.
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#7095244 - 01/26/12 09:27 AM Re: What all can you write off? [Re: Barrett]
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Registered: 06/26/01
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Loc: Tyler TX
Can you write that stuff off just being an individual? I thought you had to start a company or whatever to write off fishing expenses. How do you prove it isn't just a hobby? Can you write off expenses from a hobby? I'm a TAX IDIOT... LOL

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#7095246 - 01/26/12 09:28 AM Re: What all can you write off? [Re: Barrett]
Barrett Offline
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You can def write stuff off as an individual.
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#7095252 - 01/26/12 09:30 AM Re: What all can you write off? [Re: Barrett]
X-rayed Fish Offline
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you have to be able to differentiate a "hobby" from a "source of income"... if you can prove that you are fishing to provide for yourself/family, then it is deemed a "source of income"... this is what the auditor told me in person a few years ago when I was audited. smile She wouldnt allow any expenses, as I had a main job that provided the source of income. Luckily I missed other expenses that made up for those writeoffs. smile She told me not to do that or it would always raise a redflag.


Barrett, with the amount you won- I would say it was definately a "source of income".... writeoff every expense you incurred!!!


Edited by X-rayed Fish (01/26/12 09:32 AM)
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#7095257 - 01/26/12 09:31 AM Re: What all can you write off? [Re: Barrett]
Barrett Offline
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Loc: Denton Texas
So your saying I can't write off anything because I have a job? wtf... the CPA explained it to me earlier this week much differently. Hes the one who helped me come up with a list.
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#7095259 - 01/26/12 09:32 AM Re: What all can you write off? [Re: Barrett]
X-rayed Fish Offline
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Loc: Dallas, TX
for small fry like me who only win 1-2K... no writeoffs...

for big fry that win basschamps... writeoff everything... I should have read more of the posts.. duh!
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#7095265 - 01/26/12 09:33 AM Re: What all can you write off? [Re: Barrett]
tanker4lyfe Offline
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Registered: 11/01/09
Posts: 506
Loc: Killeen/ Ft. Hood, TX
As stated above "it must be deemed as a source of income" and not a hobby.

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#7095271 - 01/26/12 09:35 AM Re: What all can you write off? [Re: Barrett]
Barrett Offline
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Loc: Denton Texas
ok.... and how do you legally differintiate this? Start your own company?
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#7095288 - 01/26/12 09:39 AM Re: What all can you write off? [Re: Barrett]
bigcat85 Offline
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Registered: 07/19/10
Posts: 379
Loc: dallas, tx
i would think i would be able to write off at least entry fees??

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#7095313 - 01/26/12 09:43 AM Re: What all can you write off? [Re: Barrett]
Square Bill 59 Offline
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Registered: 12/05/11
Posts: 122
Loc: Kempner, Texas
Barrett,
I'm confused as well, I am working with my accountant and here are his exact words:
You should claim to be a professional fisherman to do what you asked about. In that case, all expenses relating to the fishing are deductible including travel, supplies, boat, etc.. You will also report any earnings you have on Schedule C (Self Employed).

Now if you have seen me fish the only funny part here is Pro. I will be fishing alot of Tournaments this year so figured I would try to take advantage of what I could.

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#7095327 - 01/26/12 09:45 AM Re: What all can you write off? [Re: Barrett]
Barrett Offline
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Registered: 05/27/09
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Loc: Denton Texas
Well im pumped my little 12 grand in income has now turned me into a pro fishermen. Should I change my handle on TFF now? All kidding asside I would really appreciate a little more information about this matter.
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#7095383 - 01/26/12 09:55 AM Re: What all can you write off? [Re: Barrett]
Square Bill 59 Offline
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Registered: 12/05/11
Posts: 122
Loc: Kempner, Texas
I suspect there are many Elite guys that have full time jobs and own businesses to offset their expenses. Can se assume its their sole income to support their family.

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#7095394 - 01/26/12 09:57 AM Re: What all can you write off? [Re: Barrett]
Fish AKA Jerry Offline
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You can write off anything you want..just don't get audited.Some tax advisores will push the envelope and if there is a gray area they will advise you to take it. Others will tell you not to cross the line at all.The time and expense of an audit,not to mention penalties and interest, can add up quickly business or no business.
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#7095400 - 01/26/12 09:59 AM Re: What all can you write off? [Re: Barrett]
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I think you can still write off stuff if it is a hobby but you can't write off more than the amount you of income you made off of the tournaments. SO if you had $12k in income, you can only write off $12k in expenses.

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#7095402 - 01/26/12 09:59 AM Re: What all can you write off? [Re: Fish AKA Jerry]
Barrett Offline
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Loc: Denton Texas
Originally Posted By: Fish AKA Jerry
You can write off anything you want..just don't get audited.Some tax advisores will push the envelope and if there is a gray area they will advise you to take it. Others will tell you not to cross the line at all.The time and expense of an audit,not to mention penalties and interest, can add up quickly business or no business.


It seems that this entire subject is a gray area.

I have recepits to back up every thing I could possibly write off. So my question is... can I write off fishing related expenses as stated above? I have a real job as well where I get my taxes taken out every pay check.
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#7095411 - 01/26/12 10:02 AM Re: What all can you write off? [Re: Barrett]
ba$$fan Offline
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Registered: 02/08/07
Posts: 1085
Loc: Fort Worth, TX
Originally Posted By: Barrett
Originally Posted By: Fish AKA Jerry
You can write off anything you want..just don't get audited.Some tax advisores will push the envelope and if there is a gray area they will advise you to take it. Others will tell you not to cross the line at all.The time and expense of an audit,not to mention penalties and interest, can add up quickly business or no business.


It seems that this entire subject is a gray area.

I have recepits to back up every thing I could possibly write off. So my question is... can I write off fishing related expenses as stated above? I have a real job as well where I get my taxes taken out every pay check.


I would recommend listening to a tax professional, not a bunch of fishermen.
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#7095419 - 01/26/12 10:03 AM Re: What all can you write off? [Re: Barrett]
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Barrett Big Bass Mc, LLC. Has a nice ring to it!
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#7095422 - 01/26/12 10:04 AM Re: What all can you write off? [Re: Barrett]
holt's dad Offline
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Registered: 12/12/11
Posts: 70
Loc: Stephenville
Not sure if its on the same line guys, but up until last year, I rodeoed professionally. I also had a career. My book keeper had me keep every receipt I could. I wrote off entry fees, fuel, and any equine products. This included feed, vet bills, etc. It really made a differance at the end of the year. Now that i am fishing instead of rodeoing, I haven't asked her about this issue. Im sure that it cant be very differant.

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#7095426 - 01/26/12 10:04 AM Re: What all can you write off? [Re: Barrett]
adam_p Online   shocked
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also, you might be better off setting it up as a business since you are BBMC after all and will in all likely hood have to do this with your ever growing winnings in the future. This way you can show that you lost money and get the most out of the stuff you are writing off.


Edited by adam_p (01/26/12 10:06 AM)

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#7095432 - 01/26/12 10:05 AM Re: What all can you write off? [Re: adam_p]
Razorback Offline
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Registered: 08/31/01
Posts: 2183
Loc: Tyler, TX, USA
Originally Posted By: adam_p
I think you can still write off stuff if it is a hobby but you can't write off more than the amount you of income you made off of the tournaments. SO if you had $12k in income, you can only write off $12k in expenses.


I think this is the answer. You can't show a loss from fishing to offset your other income. If you paid $750 in entry fees and got one check for $600 for finishing second in a tournament you certainly did not have any income from fishing.

In years that I received a 1099 I've filled out a Schedule C.

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#7095433 - 01/26/12 10:05 AM Re: What all can you write off? [Re: Barrett]
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#7095482 - 01/26/12 10:16 AM Re: What all can you write off? [Re: adam_p]
Bullet20XrD Offline
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Registered: 02/27/07
Posts: 1076
Originally Posted By: adam_p
I think you can still write off stuff if it is a hobby but you can't write off more than the amount you of income you made off of the tournaments. SO if you had $12k in income, you can only write off $12k in expenses.


^^This^^
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#7095559 - 01/26/12 10:29 AM Re: What all can you write off? [Re: Barrett]
Frenzy Offline
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Registered: 10/26/10
Posts: 1677
Loc: Arlington
Id definately talk to a CPA. I would think that if you report your winnings as income and pay the taxes on it, there's probably some deductions out there but I wouldn't expect as much as a true Pro who's only job is to fish.
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#7095568 - 01/26/12 10:30 AM Re: What all can you write off? [Re: Bullet20XrD]
Alwims Offline
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Registered: 12/02/10
Posts: 447
Loc: Missouri Guy Fishing Falcon
Personally and PLEASE don't anyone take offence, I would ONLY listen to my CPA on this one. He/she is trained to know this stuff. Advice on here about fishing related stuff is the best in the world, but legal advice, not so much. He said, she said is just poor advice. Go to the legal experts for legal advice. Go to fishing experts here for fishing advice. Remember, this is my opinion and it's worth exactly what you paid for it.
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