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#7127953 - 02/03/12 02:54 PM
Re: South texas alligator gar trip!
[Re: Bass Bug®]
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 08/20/09
Posts: 1170
Loc: Weatherford, TX
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wow, 4.2 % of a gars diet consist of human babies 37.4% of statistics are made up. 60% of the population knows that.
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#7128082 - 02/03/12 03:24 PM
Re: South texas alligator gar trip!
[Re: Clark3]
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 01/25/05
Posts: 2464
Loc: texas
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Good looking fish, glad yal had a good time, had some good luck, and made good use of them. They are good eating and are a blast to shoot.
I bow fish, pole fish and set lines. I stay well within what the law allows.
It just absolutely Pizzes me off when people who guide get on here and say you gotta throw every frigin thing back, catfish guids, gar guids and all, why because they take advantage of the resorce to make their living day in and out.
I have cleaned catfish to 82 lbs they all ate fine, and there are plenty more out there, cleaned bass to 12 lbs, same as cats plenty more out there, but you should see the looks you get while you fillet them, and have cleaned several nice gar as well. Abide by the laws and have fun. Here is to many more good trips!
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#7131357 - 02/04/12 02:28 PM
Re: South texas alligator gar trip!
[Re: Clark3]
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 09/10/09
Posts: 1884
Loc: Tyler, Tx
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For the record I had nothing negative to say about the op, I objected to some bad information posted by another commentator. I don't have a problem with someone following the law and taking what is allowed.
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#7132444 - 02/04/12 08:28 PM
Re: South texas alligator gar trip!
[Re: Clark3]
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Outdoorsman
Registered: 06/22/10
Posts: 142
Loc: ARGYLE, TEXAS
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Interesting stats provided there...Thought ya'll used big old carp and buff for bait? Guess Gizzaed would work too...Still think i would realease rather than eat-Sounds like quite a task to clean one of those suckers!
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#7132768 - 02/04/12 09:43 PM
Re: South texas alligator gar trip!
[Re: Clark3]
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Outdoorsman
Registered: 06/27/11
Posts: 90
Loc: Mesquite
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Great hunting! I like huntin gar with a flat-top 44 blackhawk
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#7139295 - 02/06/12 04:14 PM
Re: South texas alligator gar trip!
[Re: Dawson Hefner]
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Outdoorsman
Registered: 04/23/11
Posts: 153
Loc: southwest more west than south...
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+1 I'm a field producer for a hunting television show and we usually do a couple of gator gar bow fishing trips in S. TX a year. Here is what I have learned about these fish. 1. They ARE tasty! take the meat out just like back straps on a deer, make gar balls or batter and fry or leave in whole steaks and grill or blacken and YES...they are/were commercially fished for fish stick companies. 2. Gator gar grow approximately a foot a year..so a 5-6 foot fish is approximately 6-7 years old. 3. Alligator gar are ASEXUAL, when they get to be approximately 5 foot long...they become female. 4. They are one of the most effective fresh water predators reeking havoc on game fish if left unchecked... 5. They are fun as all get out to hunt with a bow and fight once you get an arrow into them! I guess you learned all this from your buddies who have done extensive research regarding the effects of gar predation on game fish populations. I don't suppose you have ever heard of a lake by the name of Sam Rayburn? I am not a bass angler, but from what I hear there is a really good bass fishery there and it so happens that Sam Rayburn also has a large population of alligator and long nose gar. Maybe all my info is bad. What about Lake Livingston, is the fishing any good there? I guess it must not be since Lake Livingston is on the Trinity River which is the #1 river for alligator gar populations. I don't suppose you think it is possible that all these fish species happened to get along without eating each other all up before we came along to "manage" them? Guess the bass just got lucky we came along to save them from those voracious gar. Yep, you got yourself a good education from those guys you have been hiring out about why what they do is vital to the success of all the other fisherman in the area. Must be some really smart guys. +1 well said
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#7139415 - 02/06/12 04:44 PM
Re: South texas alligator gar trip!
[Re: Clark3]
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Outdoorsman
Registered: 03/26/11
Posts: 112
Loc: Houston / Tyler / Jasper
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#7139504 - 02/06/12 05:06 PM
Re: South texas alligator gar trip!
[Re: Clark3]
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Outdoorsman
Registered: 12/30/09
Posts: 154
Loc: Gilmer, TX
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I have never heard of Alligator gars being Asexual. Asexual reproduction is bearing an offspring from oneself without a mate. Sequential hermaphroditism on the other hand is changing from one sex to another. Never heard of an alligator gar doing that either. Source Please!!!
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#7142901 - 02/07/12 01:14 PM
Re: South texas alligator gar trip!
[Re: Clark3]
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Pro Angler
Registered: 01/13/06
Posts: 596
Loc: Texas
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It's funny you guys post information that was brought up about the time they were changing the laws on the Alligator Gar. TPWD was the first to admit, they didn't know much at all about the species. It was also TPWD way back that decided that alligator gar needed to be eradicated. Now that other states are running out of gator gar, not from killing them, but from damming up all their rivers, they decided to save the remaining gar in Texas. By there own admission Texas is the best place on earth for Alligator Gar fishing. A fact backed by a very successful R&R gar fisherman that used to be a commercial fisherman. Smells fishy huh. The leading biologist on this crusade was not even a Texan, the study she brought over wasn't even from Texas, but it didn't stop them from making new rules in Texas. You see, the new rule was based on the emotions of people that don't know what they are talking about, like some on here, instead of fact based science.
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#7142911 - 02/07/12 01:16 PM
Re: South texas alligator gar trip!
[Re: Clark3]
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Pro Angler
Registered: 01/13/06
Posts: 596
Loc: Texas
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Since that time, there have been more accurate studies that state that there is no harm in bowfishing the alligator gar. The current population can be sustained with the current one per day and no commercial fishing regulations. The studies on the growth potential is also very eye opening.
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#7142922 - 02/07/12 01:18 PM
Re: South texas alligator gar trip!
[Re: Clark3]
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Pro Angler
Registered: 01/13/06
Posts: 596
Loc: Texas
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#7142966 - 02/07/12 01:27 PM
Re: South texas alligator gar trip!
[Re: Clark3]
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Pro Angler
Registered: 01/13/06
Posts: 596
Loc: Texas
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We as bowfishermen still believe that TPWD's numbers are substantially low. There are way more alligator gar than they've currently been able to find, but we are helping them to get more accurate data. And all that talk about us killing the ancient creatures is hogwash too.
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#7142969 - 02/07/12 01:28 PM
Re: South texas alligator gar trip!
[Re: Clark3]
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Pro Angler
Registered: 01/13/06
Posts: 596
Loc: Texas
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Oh and Clark, nice fish man.
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#7143560 - 02/07/12 04:12 PM
Re: South texas alligator gar trip!
[Re: Clark3]
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 09/10/09
Posts: 1884
Loc: Tyler, Tx
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I am not arguing for or against bow fishing here. The links I posted were directed towards some very bad information posted by another person regarding the life cycle and eating habits of alligator gar.
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#7143682 - 02/07/12 04:39 PM
Re: South texas alligator gar trip!
[Re: C.M.Fish]
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Outdoorsman
Registered: 12/02/11
Posts: 95
Loc: Austin
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Gator gar grow approximately a foot a year..so a 5-6 foot fish is approximately 6-7 years old. what a crock of shitt. Those fish in the post are easily over 30 years old. Gar over 6 feet are decades old.
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#7156015 - 02/10/12 12:31 PM
Re: South texas alligator gar trip!
[Re: Clark3]
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Pro Angler
Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 707
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Wow. It looks a bit crude to kill the fish for no reason. Not even to eat him. At the same time though, looks like lots of fun, blasting a fish with Arrows hahahahaha.
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#7159136 - 02/11/12 11:39 AM
Re: South texas alligator gar trip!
[Re: Clark3]
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Pro Angler
Registered: 04/10/11
Posts: 899
Loc: Big Spring, TX
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I don't understand all the fuss. (or I'm confused) It's ok to kill cyotes, raccoons, hogs, etc. and leave them because they are pests, why not gar? Personally I would eat it though.
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#7160643 - 02/11/12 08:29 PM
Re: South texas alligator gar trip!
[Re: Dawson Hefner]
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Outdoorsman
Registered: 01/21/11
Posts: 148
Loc: Duncanville, TX
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I am not arguing for or against bow fishing here. The links I posted were directed towards some very bad information posted by another person regarding the life cycle and eating habits of alligator gar. I fall on my sword for not making a disclaimer on my earlier post such as "I admit that I have not done any FORMAL research and am only going off of what a guide, who has been focused on alligator gar and carp for the better part of 30 years, has told me...but this is what I was told"....I admit that I should have dug a little deeper before I posted and hey....I made a mistake. That being said I'm glad that the misinformation was pointed out and aplaude those that posted links to good information...and "boo" those that react out of emotion instead of simply saying..."You're misinformed, here's some better info you may want to take a look at..." but hey...nobody handles everything right all the time....and that's all I have to say about that.....On another note, I have been to your site and it looks like you are good at what you do and have a passion for the fish and the adventure they provide...guess that's why you reacted the way you did...
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#7160659 - 02/11/12 08:34 PM
Re: South texas alligator gar trip!
[Re: PanfishProsecutor]
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Outdoorsman
Registered: 01/21/11
Posts: 148
Loc: Duncanville, TX
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Gator gar grow approximately a foot a year..so a 5-6 foot fish is approximately 6-7 years old. what a crock of shitt. Those fish in the post are easily over 30 years old. Gar over 6 feet are decades old. I fall on my sword for not making a disclaimer on my earlier post such as "I admit that I have not done any FORMAL research and am only going off of what a guide, who has been focused on alligator gar and carp for the better part of 30 years, has told me...but this is what I was told"....I admit that I should have dug a little deeper before I posted and hey....I made a mistake. That being said I'm glad that the misinformation was pointed out and aplaude those that posted links to good information...and "boo" those that react out of emotion instead of simply saying..."You're misinformed, here's some better info you may want to take a look at..." but hey...nobody handles everything right all the time....and that's all I have to say about that.....
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#7160704 - 02/11/12 08:43 PM
Re: South texas alligator gar trip!
[Re: Clark3]
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Capt. CUDA
Registered: 07/01/04
Posts: 4546
Loc: little elm tx
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this thread sucks. I'm all for live n let live, but sticking 40-60 year old fish with arrows for joy pics & some sub-par fish meat just doesn't appeal to me. Sorry for being a buzz-kill, but that's how I feel. and yes, I've had gar meat. tastes just like drum. good luck with your endeavor, maybe post on bowfishing section next time to avoid people like me saying the wrong thing... 
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#7160718 - 02/11/12 08:45 PM
Re: South texas alligator gar trip!
[Re: Dock Boy]
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Outdoorsman
Registered: 01/21/11
Posts: 148
Loc: Duncanville, TX
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I have never heard of Alligator gars being Asexual. Asexual reproduction is bearing an offspring from oneself without a mate. Sequential hermaphroditism on the other hand is changing from one sex to another. Never heard of an alligator gar doing that either. Source Please!!! You're right, "Sequential hermaphroditism" is what I meant. A guide that I have fished with a few times kept calling the big fish that we saw or that had been taken "girls"....so I asked if the females were inherently larger than males...he told me that when they get around 6 foot or so...they become female and then we saw an example of what he was talking about where several 3-4 foot fish were around a large fish during the spawn. The large (6 foot type fish)was the only one in the area and the other fish kinda surrounded it...haven't looked up any info...just what I was told....
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#7162440 - 02/12/12 11:45 AM
Re: South texas alligator gar trip!
[Re: lite-liner]
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Pro Angler
Registered: 04/10/11
Posts: 899
Loc: Big Spring, TX
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this thread sucks. I'm all for live n let live, but sticking 40-60 year old fish with arrows for joy pics & some sub-par fish meat just doesn't appeal to me. Sorry for being a buzz-kill, but that's how I feel. and yes, I've had gar meat. tastes just like drum. good luck with your endeavor, maybe post on bowfishing section next time to avoid people like me saying the wrong thing... no one made you click
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#7166690 - 02/13/12 11:25 AM
Re: South texas alligator gar trip!
[Re: Clark3]
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Pro Angler
Registered: 01/13/06
Posts: 596
Loc: Texas
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It would be nice to have a bowfishing section. It was proposed once, but didn't have anyone that could moderate it, so it didn't
happen.
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