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#7067884 - 01/19/12 08:01 AM Re: A-Rig Banned!!! [Re: StreakBreaker™]
Frenzy Offline
Extreme Angler

Registered: 10/26/10
Posts: 1677
Loc: Arlington
Originally Posted By: StreakBreaker™
I think the decision is less about the mechanics of the rig and more about not wanting their pros to look like goofs on the national stage. Just throwing that out there.


No way, throwing a chandelier to catch fish makes you look cool.
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#7068094 - 01/19/12 08:52 AM Re: A-Rig Banned!!! [Re: PayneFish]
John175 ® Online   content
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Registered: 10/21/05
Posts: 45741
Loc: The Cloud
With a stupid rule like that I just crossed the Bassmaster Elite Series off my list.
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#7068138 - 01/19/12 09:10 AM Re: A-Rig Banned!!! [Re: PayneFish]
WaterLogged Offline
Extreme Angler

Registered: 11/02/09
Posts: 1634
Loc: Waxahachie, Texas
I have said before, Im not for or against the Rig, I personally dont have one and never will, but thats my choice.

My take on it being banned:

I dont think it hurts the fish, most of the time people just catch 1 fish at a time, its not going to work more times than it will.

On the Other hand:

Some states have rules based on how many hooks, this is based on Ethics and Conservation. They cant say a bass fisherman can have 5 hooks but a catfisherman cant. Its up to those states to decide this. Same with B.A.S.S, They own the Company, They make most of the Decisions based on what Elite Anglers and What fans want, I feel they are allowed to decide something that affects the business, whether its selfish or not. Any one of us running a company would do the same thing. If you let everyone else run your company it will fail eventually.


Edited by WaterLogged (01/19/12 09:11 AM)
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#7068144 - 01/19/12 09:16 AM Re: A-Rig Banned!!! [Re: PayneFish]
Huckleberry Offline
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Registered: 10/10/07
Posts: 11249
Loc: Falls Lake North Carolina
During a tournament my partner and I were idleing under a bridge and noticed a guy was throwing the A-rig. He glanced over at us and gave us a snooty look like he was the man then launched the rig under the bridge only to get it hung up in an old shredded up rope hanging from the bottom of the bridge....laughed our azzes off....the rope end he hung it in was about 2 feet out of reach.
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#7068148 - 01/19/12 09:19 AM Re: A-Rig Banned!!! [Re: PayneFish]
Hookem Offline
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Registered: 03/31/03
Posts: 11267
Loc: Central Texas
No mention of a ban for my Herd O' Lizards lure for bedding bass? cool
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#7068318 - 01/19/12 10:07 AM Re: A-Rig Banned!!! [Re: PayneFish]
joeycan24 Offline
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Registered: 05/08/08
Posts: 744
Loc: north texas
Wow, I am so upset this rule was passed. I have already spent 30,000$ coming up with a harness design that would allow 8 football jigs to be dragged on the bottom with leaders for 8 swimbaits up above it. I cant believe people are claiming this is unsportsmanlike??? After I conquered this design I was trying to develop a fiber optic transparent leader with leaders branching off to reproduce a real school of shad, not the sissy 5 bait schools the A-rig imitates, Im talking 30-40 baits. I was hoping to be able to plug my rod into my Hydrowave so it would send bait sounds down to a transmitter on the head of my harness, I want it as life-like as possible. Well that was all just a dream now that they will not be allowed. Man, if coach had only put me in in the 4th quarter, we would have taken state.......

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#7068368 - 01/19/12 10:24 AM Re: A-Rig Banned!!! [Re: joeycan24]
mattm Offline
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Registered: 08/18/07
Posts: 507
Loc: Weatherford, Texas
Yawn...so they banned the rig. I'll bet anyone that wants it 20 bucks they will still catch'em.

We get worked up over the silliest things.

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#7068381 - 01/19/12 10:25 AM Re: A-Rig Banned!!! [Re: PayneFish]
Huckleberry Offline
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Registered: 10/10/07
Posts: 11249
Loc: Falls Lake North Carolina
So when do they go on sale for under $3.00?
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#7068414 - 01/19/12 10:36 AM Re: A-Rig Banned!!! [Re: John175 ®]
SoCal Tom Offline
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Registered: 04/10/07
Posts: 6210
Loc: Garland, TX
Originally Posted By: John175 ®
With a stupid rule like that I just crossed the Bassmaster Elite Series off my list.

What list is that? I love to watch the Elites. It was a board made up of their members that recommended this. I have no issue with it. Can't wait to watch the Classic.
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#7068430 - 01/19/12 10:43 AM Re: A-Rig Banned!!! [Re: PayneFish]
COKEMAN Offline
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Registered: 06/03/02
Posts: 1675
Loc: College Station,TX
Do you guys think anyone is going to get into the sticky gray area of what constitutes a lure? I remember in one of the recent BASS mags discussing the legality of the A Rig in various states, that one state official said his group was in a debate on whether the A Rig was "5 lures attached to a line" or "1 lure with 5 appendages." Or something like that.

Anyway we have double armed spinnerbaits, buzzbaits, I think there is a crankbait with two pieces that slide up and down a wire. If a manufacturer replaced the blades on those dual arms with another fixed head, would this then be one lure since it is all one unit?

Pot stirring finished, carry on.
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#7068569 - 01/19/12 11:30 AM Re: A-Rig Banned!!! [Re: PayneFish]
ChrisTexan Offline
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Registered: 08/19/10
Posts: 127
This is my issue with banning it, because, for example we have spinner/buzz baits with trailer hooks, segmented swimbaits with multiple hooks, etc. An "a-rig" (or more simple example, a jig and drop-shot), is counted as 2 lures because someone says so, but it could be argued it's a "widely segmented" single lure with 2 parts (like a segmented swimbait, which has 2 or many more pieces of the "lure" attached with fabric, metal pins, etc, in the middle of it... an a-rig is multiple "lure pieces" joined by metal wires (conceivably heavy flouro could be used similarly to make the comparison even more equal).
Bottom line, trying to define a lure-type to decide if it's legal or not, is getting into nasty areas, the one-line/one-rod rule is very simple, I have already elsewhere proposed this "fix" for ALL the different lure challenges presented by this situation:

For any rig, no more than 3 separate "hook-unit-attachments" may be made, consisting of no more than 3 separate hook-points per attachment point.

This doesn't outlaw ANY rig specifically, you could have an a-rig with 3 hooks (single or treble) (and "x" number of dummy lures), a spinnerbait with a trailer hook (2 attachments), a jig-and-drop shot rig, but more importantly, swimbaits, triple-treble topwaters, etc, are under it (other than large 4x trebles, but this covers nearly all "reasonable" bass rig setups)

This also allows for open creativity, you could have a "flock of mayflies" on the surface as a topwater setup (I'm trademarking/copywriting that name right here and now!! LOL), so long as only 3 have hooks.

The argument about fish "tangling" in so many a-rig hooks becomes much weaker, although still possible, there is no "pulling pressure" against any hooks other than the one in their mouth (the rest of the rig is going to try to move with their movements so they'll tend to stay "away" mosstly), worst case they get a few tiny surface sticks like we do when hnading crankbaits in general, with no blood or penetration worth mentioning.

I've had/seen some nasty hooked fish on normal crankbaits, and even one belly-hooked on a chatterbait, stuff happens, but with fewer (and therefore more widely spaced) hooks, that's not going to be a major problem.


Edited by ChrisTexan (01/19/12 11:30 AM)

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#7068592 - 01/19/12 11:35 AM Re: A-Rig Banned!!! [Re: PayneFish]
Bank beater 1 Offline
Angler

Registered: 12/13/11
Posts: 423
Loc: Houston
What about a flutter spoon with a feather treble hook on the line above it. Seen this done a bunch would it also be kicked.

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#7068938 - 01/19/12 01:31 PM Re: A-Rig Banned!!! [Re: PayneFish]
WaterLogged Offline
Extreme Angler

Registered: 11/02/09
Posts: 1634
Loc: Waxahachie, Texas
Even if the 95% wasnt accurate, If 51% didnt want it, its a majority vote. Im sure that the 51% are made up of people at the top of the pack as well as the bottom.
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#7133996 - 02/05/12 10:09 AM Re: A-Rig Banned!!! [Re: Bluetick]
Fast Lane Offline
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Registered: 07/24/06
Posts: 2868
Loc: Tyler, texas
Originally Posted By: Bluetick
Originally Posted By: fouzman
Kriet told me this morning that 95% of the Elite ANGLERS supported the ban, fwiw.


I had a conference call this morning with KVD, Clunn, Nixon, Ike, and both Martins. They all said they were fine with it.


That was funny.. rolfmao martini

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#7134021 - 02/05/12 10:15 AM Re: A-Rig Banned!!! [Re: SoCal Tom]
John175 ® Online   content
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Registered: 10/21/05
Posts: 45741
Loc: The Cloud
Originally Posted By: SoCal Tom
Originally Posted By: John175 ®
With a stupid rule like that I just crossed the Bassmaster Elite Series off my list.

What list is that? I love to watch the Elites. It was a board made up of their members that recommended this. I have no issue with it. Can't wait to watch the Classic.
You can fish em if you want but not me.
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#7134108 - 02/05/12 10:34 AM Re: A-Rig Banned!!! [Re: PayneFish]
AuburnTiger Bassin34 Offline
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Registered: 01/21/12
Posts: 182
Loc: Diamondhead, MS
Ehh. Never tried it, probably never will.
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#7138297 - 02/06/12 11:47 AM Re: A-Rig Banned!!! [Re: Bullet20XrD]
ShawnMead (torquetwister) Offline
Extreme Angler

Registered: 03/30/06
Posts: 1914
Loc: Crandall, TX.
Originally Posted By: Bullet20XrD
If it's presenting a lure to a fish that is the sporting part to you, throw an a-rig out and let it sink to the bottom and just sit there. Guess what happens... absolutely nothing. You still have to present the dang thing.

Thats the difference between live-bait and a hunk of wires, hooks, and plastic.

The problem with banning a specific bait is the precendence that you set. Where does it end?

To me, an electronic device that simulates a baitfish school and puts fish in a biting mood takes the "sport" out of it. A side-imaging device that an angler uses to drive next to me and mark a spot I am fishing takes the "sport" out of it. A guy that hires a guide for three days straight prior to a tournament and then pays them a % of winnings takes the "sport" out of it. Guys that galavant around as "pros" that buy or purchase information from the best locals takes the "sport" out of it.

I understand that technology has advanced, lures have advanced, money buys success, etc... But to say that the A-rig will be the end all be all of fishing lures is absurd. And the proponents of banning tha A-rig say that it endangers the bass??? Give me a break, you endanger a bass every time you throw a lure with a hook in the water.

There will always be those anglers that have an advantage, be it money, time, or technology. I can accept that. But banning a lure before you even know what its capable of is kind of a knee-jerk reaction to things. Give it a year and see what happens.



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