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#7052434 - 01/15/12 07:48 AM Re: The Elites have a new boat rule [Re: Texguy02]
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fishing pro circuits it aint all glamor with million dollar rigs and homes.....I grew up fishing with/against Dave Lefebre and he was hell bent on becoming a pro......he made it, but dag gone what a tough road and he still lives VERY modestly in a small town in Northwest PA.



I like the rule, as many have mentioned before, most of these guys can barely afford Micky D's after the tourney let alone 3 or 4 boats rigged specifically for each body of water they fish.
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#7052468 - 01/15/12 08:11 AM Re: The Elites have a new boat rule [Re: Texguy02]
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I don't see a problem with it, if he has the balls to take a little boat and lose fishing time gambling on one spot then go for it. If he had lost people would call him a fool.

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#7052477 - 01/15/12 08:16 AM Re: The Elites have a new boat rule [Re: brb2825]
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Originally Posted By: brb2825
I don't see a problem with it, if he has the balls to take a little boat and lose fishing time gambling on one spot then go for it. If he had lost people would call him a fool.


Exactly, and no one would be pondering a rule change.
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#7052514 - 01/15/12 08:33 AM Re: The Elites have a new boat rule [Re: Texguy02]
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More power to him.Roland Martin used to do this all the time(won lot of tournaments)

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#7052598 - 01/15/12 09:04 AM Re: The Elites have a new boat rule [Re: Fast Lane]
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Originally Posted By: Fast Lane
Originally Posted By: Javelin
Originally Posted By: Fast Lane



Not millionaires? Have you guys looked at the total money most of these guys have won fishing tournaments? There are several millionares. Have you watch the Bass Pro's show where it has shown several of them testing/tuning crankbaits in their swimming pool's? Take a look at the house(s) those pool's are behind. And they can't afford an aluminum boat too? Give me a break....that is nonesense.


Fastlane, it takes upwards of 100K a year just to fish the elites, take any given angler and multiply that number by how long they have been pro and subtract it from career winnings, very few will not be in the red. 85% of pro's actually make very little and if it were not for sponsorships could not do it. Sure KVD, Grigsby, Braur, Ike, and a few more are living the high life most of the newer/not big name guys are picking up pennies in parking lots just to buy dinner.


The well known Pro's and Most of the Bassmaster Classic Winners are very well off. They showed Timmy Horton's House on TV the other day, he isn't broke...very far from it.


So because you saw TH's house on TV, and you've seen a couple pros testing lures in their pools, all the well known pros and most of the Classic winners are very well off?

Most of the anglers that are very well off, have businesses back home generating income, and many have several different ventures going. And while the top 5-10 have excellent sponsor packages, if they don't stay on top those dwindle rapidly. As to the comment about millionaires and "look how many have over a million in winnings", that's nonsense. A millionaire has a net liquid worth over $1M. If wealth was determined by how much we've made over our careers, the world would be full of millionaires.

I will assure you that for every pro on the Elites doing well, there are 3 who are struggling to stay out there.
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#7052726 - 01/15/12 09:54 AM Re: The Elites have a new boat rule [Re: Texguy02]
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I understand the stated rationale for the rule. There's other hidden concerns not being made public. It's pretty easy to see it's easily a crybaby rule.
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#7055402 - 01/15/12 08:53 PM Re: The Elites have a new boat rule [Re: Texguy02]
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Like some have mentioned I would have to believe alot of it comes from sponsor and tv reasons.

If a pro wins back up in a creek where the camera boat can't follow there's no footage, if he uses that little aluminum it doesn't look good for the sponsors in some ways.

I could care less if a guy chooses to fish out of a glass rig one tourney and something like an express the next. As long as they are not using jet boats,airboats or mud boats i think it's ok.

As long as it's a "bass boat", bass tracker,express,g3 whatever.

I have lived and fished in some dang swampy places over the years and it's a little harder but there aren't a whole lot of places you can get a 18+' G3 for example you couldn't get in with a 20' skeeter.

The big leagues per say is looking more like Nascar now, i think they are trying to follow that formula for tv viewership and sponsor attraction.

Boats have to be wrapped, they allow 250hp motors now, lots of running footage in clips.

In the old days BASS had a 150hp max allowance regardless of boat lenght. Boats weren't wrapped and all of the footage was primarily just fishing.


It's a changing world and for TV they are trying to make it as Nascar as possible, but this is good in some ways for sponsorship purposes, we are starting to see alot of non fishing related sponsors that spend big advertising and sponsorship dollars.

I think as long as they use a boat that fits the rules it should be cool. Hell it would prolly make the alum boats better and sell better too, even thugh they already outsell the big glass ones.

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#7055455 - 01/15/12 09:11 PM Re: The Elites have a new boat rule [Re: txwhitetail]
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Originally Posted By: Lake Ivie Guide JR Howard
Originally Posted By: Fast Lane



Not millionaires? Have you guys looked at the total money most of these guys have won fishing tournaments? There are several millionares. Have you watch the Bass Pro's show where it has shown several of them testing/tuning crankbaits in their swimming pool's? Take a look at the house(s) those pool's are behind. And they can't afford an aluminum boat too? Give me a break....that is nonesense.


I said not all...look at how much in winnings they have and divide that by years fished....deduct the costs involved and see what you come up with. Sponsor money is where its at but I would say there are only about 10-15 of those guys making any big bucks from fishing alone.


I think there are alot of Folks that Don't understand what it cost to fish on the Elites..

Most guys say winning one will break them even for the year. That is 100 grand in expenses every year.
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#7055462 - 01/15/12 09:16 PM Re: The Elites have a new boat rule [Re: bwhatley]
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Originally Posted By: bwhatley
I guess next they're going to ask KVD to only fish for about 2-4 hrs during the day so other anglers can feel they're on a level playing field.

Then they need to give out a trophy to every angler so no one gets their feelings hurt like they do with kids sports now days. I'd hate for someone to feel like they couldn't compete with the big boys.

agreed

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#7055537 - 01/15/12 09:39 PM Re: The Elites have a new boat rule [Re: Texguy02]
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This is a career for pros. It is bussiness. A lot of people lose money and have to give up theirdream if they don't make money. That is a fact of life. If he chooses
to fish out of a smaller boat and won then it was a good decision and if bass. Will allow it then he is smart. If they outlaw it then he can gripe lime the rest of the crowd. Until then he is the winner.

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#7055704 - 01/15/12 10:36 PM Re: The Elites have a new boat rule [Re: Texguy02]
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I like the rule. Keeps it fair.

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#7058156 - 01/16/12 05:11 PM Re: The Elites have a new boat rule [Re: Texguy02]
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What a Crock!!!

BASS is worried about a "level playing field", "sportsmanship" and a "code of conduct".

Yet they allow anglers to use biological altering sound waves to assist in catching fish.

Since BASS has rewritten their rules for 2012 (for all of their tournament series's) and eliminated all references to "communication" it would appear that the use of Biosonic and Hydrowave in past years WAS a rule infraction. So it has been cleaned up now.

KVD at his best.

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#7058198 - 01/16/12 05:25 PM Re: The Elites have a new boat rule [Re: meP2too]
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Registered: 01/23/03
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Loc: Huntington,Texas
Originally Posted By: meP2too
What a Crock!!!

BASS is worried about a "level playing field", "sportsmanship" and a "code of conduct".

Yet they allow anglers to use biological altering sound waves to assist in catching fish.

Since BASS has rewritten their rules for 2012 (for all of their tournament series's) and eliminated all references to "communication" it would appear that the use of Biosonic and Hydrowave in past years WAS a rule infraction. So it has been cleaned up now.



How is the Hydrowave "biological altering"?? It just makes the fish think that there is food around, like ringing a dinner bell. It in no way changes the fish or their behaivior biologically.
KVD at his best.


Edited by Javelin (01/16/12 05:25 PM)

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#7058519 - 01/16/12 06:43 PM Re: The Elites have a new boat rule [Re: Texguy02]
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Well maybe they'll "negotiate" for special circumstances like they did with Wellman. When in Rome........
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#7059202 - 01/16/12 08:54 PM Re: The Elites have a new boat rule [Re: Javelin]
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Registered: 12/07/03
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Loc: dallas,tx,usa
Originally Posted By: Javelin
Originally Posted By: meP2too
What a Crock!!!

BASS is worried about a "level playing field", "sportsmanship" and a "code of conduct".

Yet they allow anglers to use biological altering sound waves to assist in catching fish.

Since BASS has rewritten their rules for 2012 (for all of their tournament series's) and eliminated all references to "communication" it would appear that the use of Biosonic and Hydrowave in past years WAS a rule infraction. So it has been cleaned up now.



How is the Hydrowave "biological altering"?? It just makes the fish think that there is food around, like ringing a dinner bell. It in no way changes the fish or their behaivior biologically.
KVD at his best.


You might want to read their website, altering the fish's environment by sounds that effect the feeding reflex is biological manipulation, and that is real "sportsman" like.

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#7059221 - 01/16/12 08:56 PM Re: The Elites have a new boat rule [Re: Texguy02]
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Don't crankbaits with rattles, buzzbaits, Pop R type baits and jig rattles all make sounds that make fish think food is around?
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#7059335 - 01/16/12 09:18 PM Re: The Elites have a new boat rule [Re: Texguy02]
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i know when I open my package of hostess powdered donuts... the water starts boiling!! those little fat greenies are suckers for a powdered donut!! just like me smile

I think BASS made a good ruling... keep the playing field a little more even keeled. SO what if some have the extra resources... some dont.. and it keeps it more in line with the rest of the competition.
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#7059344 - 01/16/12 09:19 PM Re: The Elites have a new boat rule [Re: Texguy02]
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I don't think the issue is who has or can buy an aluminum boat to fish a particular tournament. Like one of the pros said, the problem is that some of these guys live in the Northeast or the West. How do they bring two boats to the tournament lake from 500-1,000 miles away?

An Alabama pro fishing Guntersville or Neely Henry can drive home and get his aluminum boat a lot easier than a guy who lives in Michigan or New Jersey.

Again, the rule doesn't say that you can't fish from an aluminum boat. It just says you have to fish from the same boat all year.


Edited by Razorback (01/18/12 12:32 PM)

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#7059466 - 01/16/12 09:45 PM Re: The Elites have a new boat rule [Re: Texguy02]
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It's all about the money. The big sponsors don't want a guy to win a tournament in an aluminum boat! I don't really blame'em. That said I don't have a problem with the rule.
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#7059470 - 01/16/12 09:45 PM Re: The Elites have a new boat rule [Re: Texguy02]
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I think the rule change is good. No doubt it has been tossed around all year and the guys at BASS get most of their rule change input from the Elite fishermen. Majority rules.
meP2too I would go easy on yellow flagging KVD for unsportsmanlike conduct. Several guys on here have one and I'm pretty sure we are good sportsmen. I'm sure the fly fishermen on the banks think our trolling motors are a bad thing too.

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#7062383 - 01/17/12 05:31 PM Re: The Elites have a new boat rule [Re: Mark Perry]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Perry
Don't crankbaits with rattles, buzzbaits, Pop R type baits and jig rattles all make sounds that make fish think food is around?


Yes they do, but the ANGLER has to determine at what speed or cadence of retreive is required to entice the strike. That is the sporting / talent aspect.

A post cold front blue bird day should be fished as such, just as mother nature intended. Too many people are after instant self gratification.

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