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#6990941 - 12/30/11 07:01 AM 4 stroke or 2 stroke ?
champion 22 Offline
Green Horn

Registered: 12/05/11
Posts: 4
I am in the process of repowering my 22` Champion and was wondering what to go back with. I t currently had a Merc 225 efi Should consider a 4 stroke or 2 stroke ?

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#6991013 - 12/30/11 07:37 AM Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22]
the big white dually Offline
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Registered: 11/23/08
Posts: 3594
Loc: whitney tx and brazos below wh...
4 stroke
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#6991172 - 12/30/11 08:27 AM Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22]
Skip Offline
TFF Team Angler

Registered: 10/25/00
Posts: 3386
Loc: Hewitt,Texas
2 Stroke.

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#6991186 - 12/30/11 08:30 AM Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22]
Capt Rob Offline
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Registered: 03/02/09
Posts: 174
Loc: Red Oak, TX
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#6991227 - 12/30/11 08:38 AM Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22]
trlrman Offline
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Registered: 04/24/08
Posts: 1098
Loc: wford / t-wok
been very happy w/my honda since 04
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#6991260 - 12/30/11 08:46 AM Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22]
David Lee Offline
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Registered: 03/25/02
Posts: 50063
Loc: burleson, tx.
4 stroke.
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#6991359 - 12/30/11 09:32 AM Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: David Lee]
Eastexn Offline
Angler

Registered: 08/10/10
Posts: 465
Loc: East Texas, Lake Palestine
No question,,,go four stroke.

Better fuel economy, less smoke and fumes, better lugging power, much quieter, smoother running at low speeds.

After running 2 strokes for 50 years, I switched to a Mercury 4s 75hp and love it.
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#6991841 - 12/30/11 11:25 AM Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22]
triton37 Offline
Angler

Registered: 09/10/08
Posts: 281
Loc: sherman, texas
2 stroke for another year or so till all bugs are worked out of the 4 strokes.

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#6992173 - 12/30/11 12:41 PM Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: triton37]
martyk8 Offline
Angler

Registered: 02/26/04
Posts: 262
Loc: Jacksonville, Texas
They have had the "bugs' worked out on four strokes years ago. I switched to a four stroke 3 years ago and would never go back. Its just way better any way I look at it.

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#6992313 - 12/30/11 01:18 PM Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22]
triton37 Offline
Angler

Registered: 09/10/08
Posts: 281
Loc: sherman, texas
I guess that is why I see an sho go up in smoke almost every
Tournament. Gooluck

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#6992335 - 12/30/11 01:26 PM Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: triton37]
Doug E. Fresh Offline
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Registered: 07/21/09
Posts: 4246
Originally Posted By: triton37
I guess that is why I see an sho go up in smoke almost every
Tournament. Gooluck


LMAO, ya my SHO blows up at least 3 times a year.

Honestly new technology will always have room for improvement, but I fish as much as anyone and have not had any issues with my SHO.

I think Yamaha has learned and improved a lot since they first came out, but they are still new. But having one with 130+ hours on it, I would say go 4 stroke.


Edited by Doug E. Fresh (12/30/11 01:27 PM)

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#6992380 - 12/30/11 01:41 PM Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: Doug E. Fresh]
champion 22 Offline
Green Horn

Registered: 12/05/11
Posts: 4
can any one tell me is there any proformance differences on whole shot and top end?

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#6992410 - 12/30/11 01:58 PM Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22]
David D. Offline
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Registered: 02/05/07
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Loc: Bryan, Texas
4 stroke
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#6993145 - 12/30/11 06:38 PM Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: Eastexn]
Fishbreeder Offline
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Registered: 02/07/10
Posts: 296
Loc: Brazoria County, Texas
4 stroke is more fuel efficient.

2 stroke has better power to weight ratio (not as heavy for same hp) and requires less regular maintenance.

For a big boat with a big motor, 4 stroke will be a lot cheaper to operate over time.

For a smaller boat, 2 stroke will give much better performance and won't weigh the back end down nearly so much.
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#6993224 - 12/30/11 07:04 PM Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: Doug E. Fresh]
J-2 Offline
Extreme Angler

Registered: 06/12/09
Posts: 1620
Loc: Flower Mound TX
Originally Posted By: Doug E. Fresh
Originally Posted By: triton37
I guess that is why I see an sho go up in smoke almost every
Tournament. Gooluck


LMAO, ya my SHO blows up at least 3 times a year.

Honestly new technology will always have room for improvement, but I fish as much as anyone and have not had any issues with my SHO.

I think Yamaha has learned and improved a lot since they first came out, but they are still new. But having one with 130+ hours on it, I would say go 4 stroke.



If you haven't had both you don't have a dog in the fight. I'm with Doug. I've got 115hrs on mine and zero issues. You can't go wrong with either but after having both I will never go back

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#6993236 - 12/30/11 07:09 PM Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22]
scm Offline
Angler

Registered: 04/24/10
Posts: 422
Loc: Sugar land, Tx
If you have a Champ 223 I would put a Merc 300xs on it. I think that boat needs a 300. I use to own one and a 300 pushed at great.

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#6993529 - 12/30/11 08:22 PM Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22]
ChanceHuiet (quackills05) Offline
Extreme Angler

Registered: 01/25/05
Posts: 2669
Loc: Liberty
250 sho. Alot of the problems are people caused problems not from the motor malfunctioning. But they did have their problems at first. I know of 9 people that run them that are very good friends and No problems period.
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#6995237 - 12/31/11 12:18 PM Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22]
KingwoodCat Offline
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Registered: 10/30/04
Posts: 17785
Loc: Kingwood TX
Originally Posted By: champion 22
I am in the process of repowering my 22` Champion and was wondering what to go back with. I t currently had a Merc 225 efi Should consider a 4 stroke or 2 stroke ?

I'd personally go with a 4 stroke Yammy...
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#6996792 - 12/31/11 08:26 PM Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22]
Hog Jaw Offline
Angler

Registered: 06/09/08
Posts: 343
Loc: Granbury , Texas
Love the smell of a Yammie Two Stroke in the morning , nothing like twisting those RPM's in the afternoon.

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#6996925 - 12/31/11 09:05 PM Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22]
tb1107 Offline
Outdoorsman

Registered: 04/19/11
Posts: 82
Loc: Sulphur Springs, TX
250 SHO is hard to beat. The only thing you will miss is the 2 stroke smell. No issues with mine so far and with a 5 year warranty I don't have to worry much. Bought it during their warranty promotion. They may still have it going on.

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#6997031 - 12/31/11 09:41 PM Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22]
big fish2 Offline
Outdoorsman

Registered: 02/11/10
Posts: 234
Loc: Rowlett Texas
I own a 250HPDI and I just bought a new boat with a 250 SHO so far I'm happy to have it just put my 7th hour on it.

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#6998221 - 01/01/12 11:07 AM Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22]
TonyH. Offline
Pro Angler

Registered: 01/20/11
Posts: 934
Loc: South
Originally Posted By: champion 22
I am in the process of repowering my 22` Champion and was wondering what to go back with. I t currently had a Merc 225 efi Should consider a 4 stroke or 2 stroke ?


497# pounds for two stroke OptiMax 225 -- yields 20 percent more miles per gallon and an average of 26 percent greater cruising range than even a competitive 225 hp 4-Stroke-when cruising between 20 and 40 mph. Which translates into better overall fuel economy and fewer stops at the pump.

635 # for the 225 Verado four stroke and almost EXACT gas mileage

Less maintenance required on two stroke , fewer parts, designed for marine power.

More $$$$$$ maintenance for four strokes , more parts, NEVER WAS designed for Marine power - was just a factory work around to meet Federal mandated emissions requirements --

Now you have the REAL story !!!


You can hang more weight on the transom and I suspect a slight loss on top end --


I work on em, too - as a marine mechanic I STILL rate two stroke over fours for reliability -

The ONLY motor really designed as a marine fourstroke from the git go was Suzuki/Honda

Yammy, Bombardier, Mercury fours were as a RESULT of Federal pressure -

Black on back for me ----

Fuel injection is OK as long as motors don't sit much between use and Texas E-10 is making me RICH - E-10 SCRUBS cylinder walls of needed lubrication - best thing for cratered engines since carbon chips and chopper props !!!


Edited by TonyH. (01/01/12 11:57 AM)

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#6998287 - 01/01/12 11:32 AM Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22]
FZ1 Offline
TFF Team Angler

Registered: 09/17/09
Posts: 3815
Different strokes(so to speak). You're gonna lose a lot of money on a repower. Rebuild the motor if you still got it.

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#6998387 - 01/01/12 12:06 PM Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22]
TonyH. Offline
Pro Angler

Registered: 01/20/11
Posts: 934
Loc: South
Originally Posted By: champion 22
can any one tell me is there any proformance differences on whole shot and top end?


That's entirely dependent on correct prop for your boat, weight distribution and proper trim - both fours and two strokes most efficient WOT is around 5800 to 6000 RPM

And set backs of about six inches will improve ALL boats performance in top end and hole shot -

Mostly its not the motor RPM at shaft that determines hole shot/top end - thats mostly as a result of thrust, slip, clean water delivered at the prop

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#7004294 - 01/02/12 06:46 PM Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22]
woppercatcher Offline
Outdoorsman

Registered: 05/22/02
Posts: 177
Loc: Hot Sprngs Village, Arkansas
"I guess that is why I see an sho go up in smoke almost every
Tournament. Gooluck"

Ya right!

No brainer....4 stroke

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