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#6893898 - 11/30/11 05:37 AM Drought will continue for another year
Smithaven Offline
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Registered: 03/23/10
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As La Niña continues to affect Texas weather the experts are predicting another year of drought. View the results of the NOAA workship in this article.

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#6893913 - 11/30/11 05:51 AM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
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Registered: 02/26/05
Posts: 2931
Loc: BELTON TEXAS
Not good deal for our farmers and wild animals. The guy that I lease my farm to is wanting to increase the farm insurance for the crops next year .

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#6893964 - 11/30/11 06:39 AM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: SALLYSUE]
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Loc: Wylie TX
A depressing read for sure but I believe(hope) we will be ok. The weatherman/woman can't predict correctly 2 days in a row.So chances for 6 months ahead it's on our side.Well here's hoping I'm right and they're wrong. thumb
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#6893979 - 11/30/11 06:48 AM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
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Where we are at(DFW area),we have had a rain each week for about the last 4 or 5 weeks.But its been a quarter of an inch each time.
We are thankful for any rain we can get,but a quarter of an inch a week does not add any water to the area lakes.

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#6894654 - 11/30/11 10:42 AM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
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I got a bad feeling about next year.

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#6894704 - 11/30/11 10:59 AM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
TonyH. Offline
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Registered: 01/20/11
Posts: 934
Loc: South
This begs the question - what are our water resource managers PLANS? Many areas west of the Metro mess will be OUT of water - many many watersheds in Texas have CEASED to flow(except for gray water)

Sixty days of 100+ temps and it really will be an EMERGENCY

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#6894884 - 11/30/11 11:43 AM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: TonyH.]
Smithaven Offline
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Originally Posted By: TonyH.
This begs the question - what are our water resource managers PLANS? Many areas west of the Metro mess will be OUT of water - many many watersheds in Texas have CEASED to flow(except for gray water)

Sixty days of 100+ temps and it really will be an EMERGENCY


An excellent point. The water resource managers do not seem to realize the extent of the problem. The Weatherford utility board, which manages Lake Weatherford, is still selling water to the oil companies and have not imposed meaningful water restrictions. They stopped importing water from Benbrook because of the cost of running the pumps, which is trivial compared to the income the lake brings in. The whole problem can be summarized in one word: greed. The utility board manages the lake to minimize the member's personal utility costs and taxes. I am sure similar considerations exist on other lakes.

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#6894973 - 11/30/11 12:13 PM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: TonyH.]
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Originally Posted By: TonyH.
This begs the question - what are our water resource managers PLANS? Many areas west of the Metro mess will be OUT of water - many many watersheds in Texas have CEASED to flow(except for gray water)

Sixty days of 100+ temps and it really will be an EMERGENCY


What really sticks in my craw is the city of Dallas just went on Stage 1. The snobs in Highland Park probably had something to do with that. In Dallas I think (residential users only) that 1% use 90% of the water. It is just like the 1% that control 99% of the money. I am waiting for the day when the NTWA has to ask Dallas for water. The price will be interesting. We just might run out of water before oil. First we need water then food to survive.

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#6895046 - 11/30/11 12:38 PM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
Paparon Offline
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Registered: 10/04/10
Posts: 1364
Loc: Rowlett, TX
Please don't let it be so.

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#6896570 - 11/30/11 08:26 PM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
cborden Offline
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Registered: 03/23/10
Posts: 1438
Loc: Granbury
Man I hope they are wrong..Fishing will be the least of our worries.

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#6896580 - 11/30/11 08:27 PM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
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I hope there wrong! We need Devine intervention!
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#6896984 - 11/30/11 09:47 PM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Guide Chuck Rollins]
Sunfish Fly Offline
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Registered: 01/14/08
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Loc: Dallas, Texas
Originally Posted By: Guide Chuck Rollins
I hope there wrong! We need Devine intervention!

I wish that existed


Edited by Sunfish Fly (11/30/11 09:47 PM)
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#6897045 - 11/30/11 10:06 PM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
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We only got 13 months or less left anyhoo - just ask the Mayans - 2012.
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#6897284 - 11/30/11 11:32 PM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
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Farmers Almanac says it is going to be a Wet winter. Go Figure. We had an inch and a half of rain this past week and prior to that we have been getting anywhere from a half inch of rain up to 2 inches of rain since mid September per week. This is in the San Antonio/South Texas area. We are still 12 inches below normal. Weather man stated that we are in a pattern to get rain once a week for the next few weeks. I will take as much as the good lord will give us. So far the Creeks in the San Antonio area are holding up well. I was just in south Texas and a few of the creeks I was able to see were holding some water. Keep praying for rain. It is going to take a hurricane to help some of these lakes fully recover.

Oh yea forecast is saying rain Thursday night,Friday, and Saturday. 70 percent chance for some good showers.
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#6897412 - 12/01/11 04:57 AM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Guide Chuck Rollins]
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Registered: 05/20/10
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Loc: mansfield,tx
i agree with you chuck!!!! god himself said he will not put on us no more than we can bare,i've heard the elders of the church say,GOD works by his own timetable....i'm thankful for what we gotten so far,and looks like more to come! continue to pray....
Originally Posted By: Guide Chuck Rollins
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#6897933 - 12/01/11 09:05 AM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: crope1]
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Quote:
This begs the question - what are our water resource managers PLANS?


If your water resource managers haven't formulated and put into action a water conservation plan by now,,,,God help them, as the weatherman and luck probably won't.
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#6898165 - 12/01/11 10:19 AM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
stanleys Offline
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Registered: 06/11/08
Posts: 26
write this down, east texas will get "several" inches of rain in the next ten days, dont know bout you metroplex boys

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#6898219 - 12/01/11 10:37 AM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
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i will take the Farmer's Almanac over any weatherman! Hoping it holds true and yall have lots of water in the lakes next year! I will be the guy driving over the bridge shooting yall the bird out of jealousy!
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#6898258 - 12/01/11 10:51 AM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
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The world suppose to end in 2012 as well but I won't be holding my breath on that one, or this weather report. smile
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#6898347 - 12/01/11 11:18 AM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
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the world wont end if the Iraqui DInar revalues by that time!!!
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#6898558 - 12/01/11 12:12 PM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
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Registered: 04/19/04
Posts: 3120
Loc: Rockwall
The big problem right now is we need a real frog stranglar not an 1" every week. We need to get the lakes replenished. Sounds like a decent one coming this weekend I know we need but hope it holds off until Sunday since I am headed to the deer lease tomorrow. Funny thing about these rains lately is you never know where the heaviest band might be. I looked at NOAA this morning and it popped up last weeks forecast. It showed 60-70% heavy rain and storms at the lease and we got 1/4". Just 10 miles to the north go 1.6".

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#6898596 - 12/01/11 12:25 PM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
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Along with fishing, my boat doubles as a work boat. I have it dry stacked at one of the local marinas just so I can get in and out of the water. I'm sure it looks strange to dry stack an 1860, but it beats being land-locked and out of business.
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#6899025 - 12/01/11 02:45 PM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
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The "experts" also said two months ago that we were not going to get any rain until March!! L.O.L.

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#6899174 - 12/01/11 03:35 PM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
Smithaven Offline
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Loc: Weatherford, Texas
One of the reasons we are in the fix we are in is the attitude expressed here. Denial of the problem will not refill our lakes. And failure to start water rationing soon enough was caused by the area leaders not facing the truth. These little sprinkles we have gotten are not going to solve the water shortage. Jeer at the experts all you want. We are in a world of hurt and we will continue to be until the global pattern changes.
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#6907086 - 12/04/11 09:18 AM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: crope1]
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A-men we have left our first love we need to be very careful Hope we do not have to wonder in the wilderness 40 years WAKE UP AMERICA FROM YOUR SLEEP AND SLUMBER!!!!!!
KEEP UP PRAYERS and dont listen to the children of little faith.
God Bless US and keep Praying for more rain
Good fishing to all and This year catch your personal best
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#6907103 - 12/04/11 09:24 AM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: X-rayed Fish]
Tommy R. Nail Offline
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Hope you are right I waiting also for seven years now I would like to see this got fishing to do!!!!!!
good fishing.
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#6908222 - 12/04/11 03:00 PM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: R.J.E.]
Smithaven Offline
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Loc: Weatherford, Texas
Originally Posted By: R.J.E.
The "experts" also said two months ago that we were not going to get any rain until March!! L.O.L.


Actually they said we were not going to get any big rains until the spring. These sprinkles we are getting now will not cause any significant run off. We have gotten 1.77 inches so far and it is still soaking in.

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#6908470 - 12/04/11 04:04 PM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
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Originally Posted By: Smithaven
Originally Posted By: R.J.E.
The "experts" also said two months ago that we were not going to get any rain until March!! L.O.L.


Actually they said we were not going to get any big rains until the spring. These sprinkles we are getting now will not cause any significant run off. We have gotten 1.77 inches so far and it is still soaking in.


Concrete doesnt absorb water. Some will make it into lakes, rivers, creeks, etc. I can guarantee you that!
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#6908795 - 12/04/11 05:28 PM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
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Originally Posted By: Smithaven
Originally Posted By: R.J.E.
The "experts" also said two months ago that we were not going to get any rain until March!! L.O.L.


Actually they said we were not going to get any big rains until the spring. These sprinkles we are getting now will not cause any significant run off. We have gotten 1.77 inches so far and it is still soaking in.


NASA agrees in a report today that these rains are not at all stopping the Texas drought, just slowing it down; despite the latest rains, the aquafiers and water table continue to drop. Seems that the aquafiers require replenishments at a faster rate than these latest spots of heavy rains add just to hold steady. Most of Texas received less than measurable rain this month although small areas including Dallas Houston and San Antonio saw some decent showers.

Little made it to many lakes and what did. did not help enough overall to be significant.
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#6908806 - 12/04/11 05:30 PM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
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Registered: 11/16/10
Posts: 868
Loc: San Antonio
I think we all agree that we will take what we can get. Its been a welcoming sight to have it rain here on and off for almost 3 days now, no matter how much it isn't.......at least we got some!

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#6910310 - 12/05/11 05:18 AM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: undercover]
Smithaven Offline
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Loc: Weatherford, Texas
Originally Posted By: undercover
Concrete doesn't absorb water. Some will make it into lakes, rivers, creeks, etc. I can guarantee you that!


The lakes are filled by rain in their watershed. In most of the lakes the area covered by concrete is negligible.

It is granted that rainfall gathered by the storm drains of the metro areas will end up in the streams.

In my two home lakes (Lake Weatherford and Lake Mineral Wells) there is no concrete to speak of in the watershed. To add insult to injury there are something like 34 little flood control ponds on the Clear Fork which must fill before Lake Weatherford gets runoff.

We have had 2.5 inches of rain this week. It is snowing now. It should begin to come up a little, but the forecast is the precipitation will end today around noon.

Are the other area lakes beginning to come up? Reports would be appreciated.

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#6910359 - 12/05/11 06:27 AM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
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It's been raining pretty hard all night here and is still raining. We were forecast to get 1-3 inches, I think we got that beat. I'm about 50 miles east of Dallas.
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#6910552 - 12/05/11 07:49 AM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
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Loc: cedar creek lake
Here at my house on Cedar Creek we have had 4 inches of rain
this weekend and looks like a good run off and still sprinkleing,
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#6910603 - 12/05/11 08:11 AM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
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I like the Weather guessers and there " We won't get any heavy rains untill March"........... Like Anyone has to have a Metorology degree to know that....... That is Pretty much a Given that we don't get big rains in the winter and that the runoff comes in the spring. Don't have to be real intelligent to gues that one!
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#6912352 - 12/05/11 03:59 PM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
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#6913819 - 12/06/11 12:04 AM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
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Registered: 03/27/05
Posts: 645
Loc: Kaufman
We've been getting some good rain, but not enough. To truly make a difference in water usage, the municipalities are going to have to after commercial water use. In and around the DFW area commercial water use dwarfs private/residential use. Yet these manufacturers never undergo any type of rationing. Rationing/limiting water use is simply a distraction for the public to make everyone think the water districts can actually make a difference. Fact is, they cannot. If they limit commercial water use, then work stops, in most manufacturing plants. That puts people out of work. They will not be responsible for that, so they do what they can to make it seem like they will have some impact. That impact is minimal at best.

I know of several cooling towers in the DFW area that evaporate literally thousands of gallons a day. The make-up water runs almost constantly. And that is in all but the coldest climates we experience. And that just the ones I see, which is less than 1% of what is out there. So a resident saving 50 gallons a day is literally a drop in the bucket. And that's just for environmental and process cooling. it doesn't speak at all to any actual waste, consumption, cleaning, etc that would be involved in manufacturing and industry as a whole.

It's good we're getting more rain than "they" said we would. And we need LOTS more. And I'm not saying that cutting back on individual usage will not make a difference. Just that any difference will have a minimal impact in the grand scheme.
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#6916048 - 12/06/11 04:18 PM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
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As the water war rages on I can relate more to the fish in the lake then the people fighting the legal battles on dry land. We are all like fish in that we cannot live without water for very long but this fact seems to go unnoticed by most folks until it's nearly too late.

I view the water situation in Texas in the same vane as the money problems this whole country has and all the misguided attempts to "fix" the problem are doing nothing but making it worse. We cannot "spend" our way out of money trouble any more then we can irrigate our way out of water shortages. So why is it that we seem to focus so much effort on fighting over the last few drops of water when we should really be implementing serious conservation methods and programs. Unfortunately for many entities, future allocations of water are often based on historical use and projected growth, neither of which reflects a new reality when dealing with an extended drought. To compound the problem "historical" use data are sometimes manipulated by wasting huge volumes of water to keep the "numbers" up under the "use it or lose it" allocation methodology. It seems that few seriously look into ways to significantly reduce water usage until it hits the pocketbook. The fish cannot do much to change their drought shrinking living situation but we can if we simply ask the questions, learn and take action now.


The reality and gravity of running out of water is very real just ask the folks up in Groesbeck, one of many Texas cities dealing with serious water shortages.

The following is an excerpt from the http://www.cityofgroesbeck.com/ website.

Emergency Message

This is an Emergency Message from the City of Groesbeck.

The City of Groesbeck has a critical water shortage. We are requesting that you reduce the use of water at your home or business to prevent us from running out of water. We, as a whole, must reduce our water usage immediately!

We are working on several solutions but, reducing our usage is the most critical.

For continued updates and conservation tips, refer to this website: www.cityofgroesbeck.com.

View conservation tips Here

Thank you for your cooperation.

This is an Emergency Message from the City of Groesbeck.

Jackie Levingston, Mayor
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#6916121 - 12/06/11 04:42 PM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
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Ive always wondered:

If we now have the technology to convert seawater to drinkable water, why dont we use it?

Yes, it costs money. But we would have a virtually unlimited supply of it.
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#6916167 - 12/06/11 04:54 PM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: AdanV]
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To be honest I am really suprised that some sort of watershed hasnt been created coming off a major river in the United states to feed the dry regions. Even if it was only used during the spring months when snow melt run off could be diverted as opposed to becoming a costly natural disaster. Imagine if all the floods from the upper midwest this year could have been diverted to the west. Lived in San Angelo 10 years ago and water was a crisis then and to think nothing has been done in a decade says a lot for those whose job it is to establish contingency plans for already existing emergencies. Guess everybody put in in gods hands, politicians included. Wonder if he'll fix our money problems too?

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#6916281 - 12/06/11 05:30 PM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Smithaven]
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No matter how much rain we get, living here on Lake Buchanan which is 32 feet low, the L.C.R.A. just sends all the water downstream to the rice farmers and whoever else will pay them for it. I supposedly have waterfront property but I've had water up to my property probably 4 times in the last 16 years. But yes everyone needs to conserve, while we were hurting here on Buchanan I'd go fishing downstream at LBJ and Lake Marble Falls and just about every other house had their sprinklers on, man their yards sure did look good compared to my dead and dried up one.

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#6918821 - 12/07/11 12:40 PM Re: Drought will continue for another year [Re: Cub]
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Loc: Rockwall
Originally Posted By: Cub
To be honest I am really suprised that some sort of watershed hasnt been created coming off a major river in the United states to feed the dry regions. Even if it was only used during the spring months when snow melt run off could be diverted as opposed to becoming a costly natural disaster. Imagine if all the floods from the upper midwest this year could have been diverted to the west. Lived in San Angelo 10 years ago and water was a crisis then and to think nothing has been done in a decade says a lot for those whose job it is to establish contingency plans for already existing emergencies. Guess everybody put in in gods hands, politicians included. Wonder if he'll fix our money problems too?


Similar stuff goes on all over the country. The Colorado rockies supply almost all of southern Ca.'s water. Our problem is our enemies to the north have plenty but will not sell it to us. I can understand not selling it to Dallas. Heck they probably consider everything from Sherman to Corsicana to be Dallas.

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