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#6858319 - 11/18/11 01:51 PM
Full Boat Restore Build Log
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 01/25/07
Posts: 2979
Loc: Lake Palestine
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I don't believe I have ever seen one of these on our forum here, but I'll go ahead and blaze the trail. I'm sure there will be some useful information for someone down the road here. Background: I purchased this boat (my first boat!) in May of this year for $1000 after a trial run on the lake. It's a 1984 Skeeter "Champ" with an '85 Mariner 70HP on the back. I checked all of the important stuff (or what I thought was important at the time): the transom, the motor, the bilge, the electronics, the trailer/bearings/tires. Everything was good enough for me to feel safe in spending the $1000. The boat ran pretty good, but after each time out, I found a little something that needed attention. Fast forward to July 4th. The lakes are starting to drop and while doing some checking of various things, I find some mushy wood. My first thought was to just replace the rot, but the more I dug around, the more rot I found. Around the first of August I decided that the boat would get a full blown restoration and makeover. On the list for the project (at a high level), we have the following: - new transom - new stringers - new deck - revamped storage - new paint job - new carpet - new seats The following will be done, but probably not until a few months after the boat is "sea worthy" again - new electronics - new lighting - marine radio - updated hardware (rub rail, cleats, trailer hardware, etc) Here's the boat the day I purchased it...  and the boat the first day I started to dig in to the project     
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#6858335 - 11/18/11 01:58 PM
Re: Full Boat Restore Build Log
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Registered: 01/25/07
Posts: 2979
Loc: Lake Palestine
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Moving on to the bilge, you can see the rotted wood:  The foam was absolutely saturated with years of water and gasoline! The floor pulled up by hand in a pile of mush:  The bilge is just about cleaned out  Another shot of the bilge  Damage at the bow that the previous owner "repaired"  And the boat as it sat after this day 
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#6858352 - 11/18/11 02:02 PM
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Registered: 01/25/07
Posts: 2979
Loc: Lake Palestine
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#6858376 - 11/18/11 02:10 PM
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 01/25/07
Posts: 2979
Loc: Lake Palestine
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With the motor off, and everything else off (the TM, the steering, the control box, cleats, etc), it was finally time to pop the cap. I pulled the rubrail and went to town popping out the 100's of rivets holding the cap to the hull. Adding insult to injury, they had also used a strong silicone between the two! Unfortunately, I didn't get any pictures of this process (not sure why). For those that don't know, though, most [smaller] boats are built in two main pieces; the hull and the cap. The two are usually riveted or screwed together. By taking the cap off, you have full [EASY!] access to the transom, deck, stringers, and floatation foam. Anyway, it was at this point that I fully realized that my transom was in need of a replacement (up to this point, I wasn't sure if it would be on my "to-do" list). All of this pink resin was a pain to chip away!  What a mess!  BAD TRANSOM!  Wonder how old this beer can is... 
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#6858513 - 11/18/11 03:08 PM
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Registered: 01/25/07
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Loc: Lake Palestine
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#6858568 - 11/18/11 03:23 PM
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Registered: 09/06/08
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Loc: guthrie oklahoma
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keep posting pics, boat restorations are great to look at. I did a refurb on my 82 champion, not near as extensive as yours but am proud of the way it looks.
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#6858577 - 11/18/11 03:25 PM
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Loc: Lake Palestine
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#6858601 - 11/18/11 03:30 PM
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Loc: Lake Palestine
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#6858646 - 11/18/11 03:41 PM
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Loc: Lake Palestine
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#6858678 - 11/18/11 03:52 PM
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 01/25/07
Posts: 2979
Loc: Lake Palestine
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Now that I was "close enough" on the hull, it was time for my least favorite past-time ever... SANDING! Even with a DA sander and the RO sander, this was a PAIN! Since I decided to go with a marine paint instead of gelcoat, I had to sand off all of the "shine" of the gelcoat. Luckily, I didn't need to go too far, though. I first used 40 grit on the DA, then a progression of 60 grit and 150 grit on the RO, and finally I used 220 grit by hand. I didn't realize it before, but my transom was about to fail in a major way. I forgot to take pictures before I repaired, but the vertical brown lines you see are stress indentions in the outer skin on the transom where the motor mounts. It wouldn't have been long before these dents became cracks and then a full blown transom failure!   Half way through my day of sanding. Dang, I HATE sanding!   The "repair" at the bow still looks pretty bad at this point, but overall it feels nice and smoother. Sure, it could have been better, but again, "close enough"  
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#6858681 - 11/18/11 03:55 PM
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Extreme Angler
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Loc: Lake Palestine
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#6858691 - 11/18/11 04:00 PM
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Loc: Lake Palestine
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#6858699 - 11/18/11 04:04 PM
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 01/25/07
Posts: 2979
Loc: Lake Palestine
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And here we are after the second coat. I had two "goof ups" that I will need to fix.  This is the first goof  And this is the second  No, the vehicle was NOT parked there while I was spraying! 
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#6858709 - 11/18/11 04:06 PM
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 01/25/07
Posts: 2979
Loc: Lake Palestine
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The trailer is ready for paint... and so is my driveway...  ... and so are my jackstands! HA!  Not too shabby  And here is a close-up. Another "close enough" for me! 
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#6858727 - 11/18/11 04:13 PM
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Loc: Lake Palestine
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#6858768 - 11/18/11 04:22 PM
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Extreme Angler
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Loc: Lake Palestine
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#6858776 - 11/18/11 04:25 PM
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 01/25/07
Posts: 2979
Loc: Lake Palestine
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So with all that posted now, I know I didn't give too much detail. If anyone would like specific details on anything, I would be more than glad to share.
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#6859253 - 11/18/11 07:17 PM
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Pro Angler
Registered: 07/28/08
Posts: 834
Loc: Flower Mound, Tx
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Nice, I would'nt have the guts to do a fiberglass restoration, nice start. I am fixing up a Lowe 1648 jonboat that will be redone but still you are "THE MAN"  to do this.
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#6859930 - 11/18/11 10:24 PM
Re: Full Boat Restore Build Log
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 01/25/07
Posts: 2979
Loc: Lake Palestine
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Thanks Sir, but for a boat of this size (it's only 16'), there's not much needed in the line of guts.  Some might argue it would actually take a lack of smarts: sinking $1500-2000 on the full project, plus the $1000 purchase price, can be argued that boat isn't worth it... but I needed something to keep me busy and give me a challenge. Plus, I like the boat! And besides, when I am done it will be better than it was from the factory and I will KNOW that it will easily last another 30+ years! I know we have questions come up on the forum time to time about soft floors and new carpet so hopefully, if nothing else, this thread can be used to show how to properly get it done
Edited by nax (11/18/11 10:26 PM)
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#6860269 - 11/19/11 01:10 AM
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 01/25/07
Posts: 2979
Loc: Lake Palestine
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When I say "better than factory", I am mainly talking about the guts. The factory foam, for example, was an open cell foam. It soaked up water like a sponge. The closed cell I will be using will NOT absorb water. Also, the factory only gave this boat a half-azzed 'glass job on the stringers (I found areas that had NO glass on them at all). It was a "production boat" and there were shortcuts taken, no doubt about it (nor would I expect any different). In terms of paint vs gelcoat, that could be left for debate (and actually is a pretty big debate amongst boat restorers). In terms of durability, hands down gelcoat wins. However, the main reason why Gelcoat is used by manufactures is because of the way a hull is built (from the outside in). Gelcoat is really just a glorified resin that the laid up fiberglass can bond to. You can't exactly paint a mold and then lay up fiberglass on it.  For a beginner or backyard restorer (which I am both!), the cost, complexity, effort required, experience needed, equipment needed, etc for gelcoat is pretty much out of reach. When I first started, I had intended on doing gelcoat, but it was going to cost just as much for everything I needed to do it as it was going to cost for the entire rest of the restoration. For $100, this paint job will be tough enough (with the enamel hardener) and last long enough for me to accept it. There's a lot of information out there regarding using the Rustoleum with hardener on boat restorations. Even if I have to touch-up or repaint the boat every 5 years or so, I'm still ahead of the curve. Trust me, I'm not going in to this blind and I'm not doing anything revolutionary. Everything I am doing has been well documented by many people. 
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#6860563 - 11/19/11 08:08 AM
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TFF Team Angler
Registered: 11/08/05
Posts: 3870
Loc: San Marcos, Texas
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My hats off to you. I've done several of what you're doing and can safely say that I was more proud of my restro project than my other "just bought" boats. My question is.....Why Rustoleum paint with a hardner instead of using the Easy Poxy by Petit or the Brightside by Interlux, or the one part poly paint by Top Secret. The Rustoleum is an enamal, so does the hardner make it fuel/oil proof? Because Rustoleum by itself on a motor will turn to chewing gum if exposed to fuel. Enquiring minds needing to know how you came up with the research information to use that combination.
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#6860697 - 11/19/11 09:19 AM
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 01/25/07
Posts: 2979
Loc: Lake Palestine
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The enamel hardener will just about make it bullet proof and it will be impervious to oil and gasoline. The hardener is the same stuff used on heavy duty equipment (CAT's, tractors, ets). The number one driving factor for Rustoleum was price and price alone. There is plenty of information on the net about using this method on boats so it was as simple as typing it in to Google and reading... and reading... and reading. I also made a call to both Rustoleum and Valspar to ask them about their products.
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