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#6852341 - 11/16/11 07:08 PM
Fly Fishing vs. Fishing with a Fly Rod - Where do you draw the line?
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Outdoorsman
Registered: 10/07/10
Posts: 76
Loc: Cypress, TX
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Where do you draw the line? I know some people are bigger purists than others. I think I fall somewhere in the middle and some of what is mentioned below is over the line and some isn't to me. But, one of the goals of fishing, or fly fishing in the case of this thread, is to catch fish, right?
I have read on another forum that a 1" gulp minnow on a 1/124 oz. jighead on the fly rod will slay the bass. Is that over the line? What about the coffee bean 'fly' for targetting carp? Soaking flies in Gulp juice? Spoon flies? Other synthetics? Chumming up fish with corn/bread then throwing a corn/bread imitation 'fly'?
So, where do you draw the line?
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#6852455 - 11/16/11 07:40 PM
Re: Fly Fishing vs. Fishing with a Fly Rod - Where do you draw the line?
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TFF Guru
Registered: 02/08/08
Posts: 13548
Loc: East Texas
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So, where do you draw the line?
 wot line ?
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#6852478 - 11/16/11 07:46 PM
Re: Fly Fishing vs. Fishing with a Fly Rod - Where do you draw the line?
[Re: aggie182]
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Registered: 07/11/11
Posts: 37
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Feathers and fur. You don't need anything but skill and if your gonna soak your fly or use a gulp then do it with a spinning rod. Its all about the challenge of getting that big fish to eat feather/fur with a hook in it.
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#6852730 - 11/16/11 08:50 PM
Re: Fly Fishing vs. Fishing with a Fly Rod - Where do you draw the line?
[Re: aggie182]
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 03/03/09
Posts: 1710
Loc: SW Richardson
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It's about the same as cheating on a loved one, the second you either question your activities and FEEL GUILTY, you are over the line, right then and there, buddy boy.
And DONT go asking your male friends if its OK, just keep thinking about your dear old mum and dad.
Oh, and I'm with Bass Bug. I go to catch fish !
Edited by StevenNDallas (11/16/11 08:56 PM)
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#6852899 - 11/16/11 09:41 PM
Re: Fly Fishing vs. Fishing with a Fly Rod - Where do you draw the line?
[Re: aggie182]
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Outdoorsman
Registered: 03/02/10
Posts: 21
Loc: Backwater, TX
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Hand fishing in the nude! (insert worm joke.) Anything else is cheating. And I draw the line onto my reel.
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#6853190 - 11/16/11 11:40 PM
Re: Fly Fishing vs. Fishing with a Fly Rod - Where do you draw the line?
[Re: aggie182]
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Angler
Registered: 02/25/03
Posts: 331
Loc: San Antonio, TX, Midland, TX
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Goooodnessss - There is no line...and the fisherman who frowns upon another fisherman for his (legal) tactics, his boat, his attire, or for that matter anything else, isn't a real fisherman, or much of a man for that matter. And for the man who feels frowned upon - smile to yourself at the ignorance of the frowner...and fish on baby!!!!! 
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#6853240 - 11/17/11 01:59 AM
Re: Fly Fishing vs. Fishing with a Fly Rod - Where do you draw the line?
[Re: aggie182]
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Angler
Registered: 06/06/09
Posts: 440
Loc: West, Tx
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Fly fishing is the only way I know how to fish... still can't cast baitcasters, though I can unknot one quite well. So does this mean I'm conditionally a purist? ... lest I say, I just bought a new 14' speyrod so I can now cast my Rapalas  .
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#6853317 - 11/17/11 05:59 AM
Re: Fly Fishing vs. Fishing with a Fly Rod - Where do you draw the line?
[Re: aggie182]
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Pro Angler
Registered: 04/26/02
Posts: 884
Loc: Plano, TX USA
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Where do you draw the line? I know some people are bigger purists than others. I think I fall somewhere in the middle and some of what is mentioned below is over the line and some isn't to me. But, one of the goals of fishing, or fly fishing in the case of this thread, is to catch fish, right?
I have read on another forum that a 1" gulp minnow on a 1/124 oz. jighead on the fly rod will slay the bass. Is that over the line? What about the coffee bean 'fly' for targetting carp? Soaking flies in Gulp juice? Spoon flies? Other synthetics? Chumming up fish with corn/bread then throwing a corn/bread imitation 'fly'?
So, where do you draw the line? It doesn’t matter whether it’s a cane pole, casting rod, fly rod, etc –etc – etc, Fishing is fishing is fishing – tackle and technique is a personal choice. Learn more about the fish … where to do they live, what do they eat, seasonal patterns –be versatile and open minded and then hone your skills on favored tackle and technique.
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#6853585 - 11/17/11 08:30 AM
Re: Fly Fishing vs. Fishing with a Fly Rod - Where do you draw the line?
[Re: aggie182]
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 02/23/08
Posts: 1001
Loc: Fairview, TX
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If you want to fly fish for records (like IGFA records), there are specific rules you must follow. I know of one person who tried to claim a fly fishing record for a species of carp he caught in one of the bayous in Houston. It was disallowed because he had used a coffee bean superglued to a hook.
Otherwise, it's your call.
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#6853710 - 11/17/11 09:06 AM
Re: Fly Fishing vs. Fishing with a Fly Rod - Where do you draw the line?
[Re: aggie182]
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 04/09/10
Posts: 1230
Loc: Bedford,Tx
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For me it depends on where I am fishing on what I will use, a pond I fish at does not fly fish well for me at this time because I cant roll cast(working on it though) but I can use my rod and reel and catch bass, now once I learn to roll cast I will fish it with the fly.
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#6853886 - 11/17/11 10:11 AM
Re: Fly Fishing vs. Fishing with a Fly Rod - Where do you draw the line?
[Re: mickfly]
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Pro Angler
Registered: 04/26/02
Posts: 884
Loc: Plano, TX USA
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If you want to fly fish for records (like IGFA records), there are specific rules you must follow. I know of one person who tried to claim a fly fishing record for a species of carp he caught in one of the bayous in Houston. It was disallowed because he had used a coffee bean superglued to a hook.
Otherwise, it's your call. Mick, even IGFA rules are subject to change. Recently acceptable rule change allowed records for “spin flies” after challenge by Henry Cowen, well-known writer, fly designer and guide. Makes the purists shudder in their boots…  Someone should challenge the coffee bean rule. Material grown from a bush is as natural as material grown off a rooster…. 
Edited by George Glazener (11/17/11 10:27 AM)
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#6854137 - 11/17/11 11:19 AM
Re: Fly Fishing vs. Fishing with a Fly Rod - Where do you draw the line?
[Re: George Glazener]
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 04/09/10
Posts: 1230
Loc: Bedford,Tx
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Material grown from a bush is as natural as material grown off a rooster…. Thats priceless wisdom right there 
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#6854207 - 11/17/11 11:35 AM
Re: Fly Fishing vs. Fishing with a Fly Rod - Where do you draw the line?
[Re: Deep Trout]
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 01/06/04
Posts: 2213
Loc: Austin
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Hand fishing in the nude! (insert worm joke.) Anything else is cheating. And I draw the line onto my reel. My name used to be Shallow Carp and I approve of this message.
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#6855629 - 11/17/11 07:07 PM
Re: Fly Fishing vs. Fishing with a Fly Rod - Where do you draw the line?
[Re: aggie182]
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Angler
Registered: 01/27/08
Posts: 332
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I've fly fished with bait before. Tossing a shrimp with my 5-weight got me a nice flounder not too long ago. I plan on fishing the catfish spaw next year by flinging worms around dam riprap with my fly rod.
-Tom
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#6855712 - 11/17/11 07:28 PM
Re: Fly Fishing vs. Fishing with a Fly Rod - Where do you draw the line?
[Re: aggie182]
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 03/03/09
Posts: 1710
Loc: SW Richardson
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I got to admit, once a friend was chunking, I mean really nasty chunking, a plastic worm with an 8 weight and I gave him the stink eye behind his back.
And it was the nastiness of the cast that truly bothered me.
Then when he offered me a shot at the rig, I acted all grateful and polite.
But I was acting, I tell ya... acting.
Oh yeah, the point being, if you cannot throw a loop, then you are not fly fishing.
Edited by StevenNDallas (11/18/11 09:40 AM)
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#6856886 - 11/18/11 06:27 AM
Re: Fly Fishing vs. Fishing with a Fly Rod - Where do you draw the line?
[Re: aggie182]
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Pro Angler
Registered: 12/15/02
Posts: 779
Loc: Murchison, TX, USA
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there are fly fishermen who cannot throw a loop with any fly.
Some of the rules are pretty wierd. For example, a fish caught on a jig head fly cannot be considered for a record whereas one which is caught on the same fly tied with a metal bead on a jighook is acceptable.
What about fishing a fly with mono with a fly rod and reel; no fly line. Is that fly fishing?-p-
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#6857353 - 11/18/11 09:15 AM
Re: Fly Fishing vs. Fishing with a Fly Rod - Where do you draw the line?
[Re: pearow]
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Charlie2
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What about fishing a fly with mono with a fly rod and reel; no fly line. Is that fly fishing?-p-
To add fuel to the fire, I'll add my $0.02 worth. What about thrashing the water with a popping bug. Is that 'fly fishing'? I really don't think so. I have fished with a fly under a plastic bubble with a spinning reel. Is that 'fly fishing'? The list (and discussion) continues. JMHO C2
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#6858630 - 11/18/11 03:36 PM
Re: Fly Fishing vs. Fishing with a Fly Rod - Where do you draw the line?
[Re: aggie182]
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Angler
Registered: 01/30/07
Posts: 372
Loc: Whitney , TX
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And let us not forget using a bobber.
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#6859079 - 11/18/11 06:25 PM
Re: Fly Fishing vs. Fishing with a Fly Rod - Where do you draw the line?
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Registered: 03/03/09
Posts: 1710
Loc: SW Richardson
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[quote=pearow] To add fuel to the fire, I'll add my $0.02 worth. What about thrashing the water with a popping bug. Is that 'fly fishing'? I really don't think so.
Whoa Whoa Whoa !!!!!! This is a Texas forum right, anybody here know this man ? The Dallas Fly Club has a dry fly / mountain stream emblem as their *&^%$ stupid logo. Which is one of the reason I quit going. Texas is popper country !
Edited by StevenNDallas (11/18/11 06:42 PM)
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#6859271 - 11/18/11 07:23 PM
Re: Fly Fishing vs. Fishing with a Fly Rod - Where do you draw the line?
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TFF Guru
Registered: 02/08/08
Posts: 13548
Loc: East Texas
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What about thrashing the water with a popping bug. Is that 'fly fishing'? I really don't think so.
you need to hike yer hiney back up to Connecticut or wherever it is you come from, thrashing the water with a popping bug is the ONLY true fly fishing
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#6859621 - 11/18/11 09:06 PM
Re: Fly Fishing vs. Fishing with a Fly Rod - Where do you draw the line?
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Registered: 01/18/08
Posts: 725
Loc: Texas
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#6863216 - 11/20/11 08:20 AM
Re: Fly Fishing vs. Fishing with a Fly Rod - Where do you draw the line?
[Re: aggie182]
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Outdoorsman
Registered: 01/13/11
Posts: 198
Loc: Lancaster, TX
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Repost from TKF. I'm no purist and I really don't care what you fish with on your fly rod. I enjoy fishing. However, I do like catching fish with flies that I tied myself. See that black wooly bugger with the bead head??? I tied that all by myself. 
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#6865643 - 11/20/11 09:00 PM
Re: Fly Fishing vs. Fishing with a Fly Rod - Where do you draw the line?
[Re: StevenNDallas]
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Charlie2
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[quote=pearow] To add fuel to the fire, I'll add my $0.02 worth. What about thrashing the water with a popping bug. Is that 'fly fishing'? I really don't think so.
Whoa Whoa Whoa !!!!!! This is a Texas forum right, anybody here know this man ? The Dallas Fly Club has a dry fly / mountain stream emblem as their *&^%$ stupid logo. Which is one of the reason I quit going. Texas is popper country ! Added Quote:you need to hike yer hiney back up to Connecticut or wherever it is you come from, thrashing the water with a popping bug is the ONLY true fly fishing; Unquote First; I was born and raised in San Angelo, Tom Green County which is in;yes; TEXAS 77 years ago. We moved to Louisiana and then to Alabama. After 22 years in the Air Force, plus another 10 years in industry, I retired close to my wife's aging parents in Florida. I enjoy fishing and can enjoy many kinds within driving distance. I can walk to one of my favorite honey holes. I live with a creek in my backyard. Why leave? I keep up with the Texas Fishing Forums because I learn from them but won't post on this one again. No where did I say in my post that popper fishing was was wrong. It is still my opinion that it isn't fly fishing. maybe we should create a separate category for popper fishing. I make poppers and use them in both fresh and saltwater; everything from panfish to huge redfish and tarpon. All on the flyrod. They are an essential part of my fishing repertoire because they are very effective. I fish with casting, spinning, sly, switch and what have you, rods. I make tackle including rod building, tying jigs and flies. I also make terminal tackle for saltwater. I also do popping bugs; both large and small. I voiced an opinion and that's all that it was. I thought that we had mature individuals when joining this forum. Don't waste your time on answering as I'm too busy fishing and making tackle.. With that, I'm outta here. C2
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#6868107 - 11/21/11 05:03 PM
Re: Fly Fishing vs. Fishing with a Fly Rod - Where do you draw the line?
[Re: aggie182]
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Outdoorsman
Registered: 02/20/09
Posts: 195
Loc: West Dixie
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I cant imagine why anyone would use a fly rod to cast a Gulp or any other heavy artificial lure.
It is the wrong tool for the job. The right tool would be a spinning or casting rod.
Would you try to cast a size 16 Elk Hair Caddis with an Ugly Stik and a Curado?
It is OK if you enjoy using a fly rod to cast heavy artificial lures as long as you enjoy it. Just dont get upset when people make fun of you because you are using the wrong equipment.
It is pretty clear what fly rods and fly lines are designed to cast.
A popper may not be a "fly" but it is indeed the propper "lure" to use with a fly rod...as are streamers.
Edited by FlySouth (11/22/11 01:56 PM)
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#6868157 - 11/21/11 05:15 PM
Re: Fly Fishing vs. Fishing with a Fly Rod - Where do you draw the line?
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Registered: 02/08/08
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[quote=pearow] To add fuel to the fire, I'll add my $0.02 worth. What about thrashing the water with a popping bug. Is that 'fly fishing'? I really don't think so.
Whoa Whoa Whoa !!!!!! This is a Texas forum right, anybody here know this man ? The Dallas Fly Club has a dry fly / mountain stream emblem as their *&^%$ stupid logo. Which is one of the reason I quit going. Texas is popper country ! Added Quote:you need to hike yer hiney back up to Connecticut or wherever it is you come from, thrashing the water with a popping bug is the ONLY true fly fishing; Unquote First; I was born and raised in San Angelo, Tom Green County which is in;yes; TEXAS 77 years ago. We moved to Louisiana and then to Alabama. After 22 years in the Air Force, plus another 10 years in industry, I retired close to my wife's aging parents in Florida. I enjoy fishing and can enjoy many kinds within driving distance. I can walk to one of my favorite honey holes. I live with a creek in my backyard. Why leave? I keep up with the Texas Fishing Forums because I learn from them but won't post on this one again. No where did I say in my post that popper fishing was was wrong. It is still my opinion that it isn't fly fishing. maybe we should create a separate category for popper fishing. I make poppers and use them in both fresh and saltwater; everything from panfish to huge redfish and tarpon. All on the flyrod. They are an essential part of my fishing repertoire because they are very effective. I fish with casting, spinning, sly, switch and what have you, rods. I make tackle including rod building, tying jigs and flies. I also make terminal tackle for saltwater. I also do popping bugs; both large and small. I voiced an opinion and that's all that it was. I thought that we had mature individuals when joining this forum. Don't waste your time on answering as I'm too busy fishing and making tackle.. With that, I'm outta here. C2 
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#6874830 - 11/23/11 03:48 PM
Re: Fly Fishing vs. Fishing with a Fly Rod - Where do you draw the line?
[Re: aggie182]
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Angler
Registered: 01/04/02
Posts: 384
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IMHO,
There is a thing called flyfishing. It is done with a hand-tied bug imitation of feathers and other assorted materials. It imitates a fly of some sort at some particular stage in it's life cycle. Thus the name.
A flyrod can be used for lots of other applications (and just as enjoyable). Casting light streamers, popping bugs, etc. i fall into this category of fisherman most often.
It's all fishing. And I'd much rather be doing it than working any day. I love catching bass and bream on wooly buggers with my fly rod. It's not technically flyfishing, but it sure is fun. I think of it as ultra-finesse fishing, and I have a great time doing it.
I also love catching fish on those little tiny flies.
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